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Yes Women Lie About Being Raped – And It Happens More Often Than You Might Think

boringcarpets

October 11, 2018

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Title	Yes Women Lie About Being Raped – And It Happens More Often Than You Might Think
Author	boringcarpets
Upvotes	86
Comments	26
Date	October 11, 2018 5:58 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9nc9g1/yes_women_lie_about_being_raped_and_it_happens/
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[–]LettuceBeGrateful 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree, we absolutely need statistics here, and the numbers she throws out aren't convincing. In fact, when I slowed the video down to do this comment, I realized that she was throwing large numbers out there that didn't necessarily have to do with what she was trying to prove.

Rape claims are four times as likely to be false

This wikipedia page says that from 1995-1997, 8% of rape claims were unfounded, while 2% of other crimes were unfounded. This is possibly where the "four times as likely" claim comes from.

We must note that unfounded is not the same thing as false. The unfortunate truth about rape is that it often leaves little-to-no evidence, as we often point out. In case my personal politics aren't clear, I'll just say that this obviously doesn't justify throwing innocent men in prison.

Eight percent of all rape claims are never prosecuted for lack of evidence.

I don't see what this has to do with false rape accusations, so I won't waste my time on it.

There were an est. 90,185 rapes reported in 2016...

She got the year wrong. Otherwise, this is true.

...roughly 7200 cases weren't credible enough for a court room...

Again, lack of credibility isn't the same as false.

"...and that doesn't include the ones that were dropped, recanted, or proven false."

Recanted and proven false are the statistics we should really be interested in. "Dropped" could be for any reason.

I know that in our justice system (and society), we should strive for innocent until proven guilty. However, just because the accused is found innocent or the charges are dropped, that doesn't mean the accuser committed a crime herself. Innocent-until-proven-guilty applies to both the accused and the accuser. If we are going to make claims about the rates of false rape accusations, the owness is on us to prove that the accused was lying. Brittany Hughes seems to miss this point in her video.

Finally, I would also treat your RAINN link with some healthy skepticism. Their own footnotes say it best:

Sexual violence is notoriously difficult to measure, and there is no single source of data that provides a complete picture of the crime.

This statistic combines information from several federal government reports. Because it combines data from studies with different methodologies, it is an approximation, not a scientific estimate.

It would also be nice if the same scrutiny and attention were given to false rape accusations when these surveys were conducted, but it doesn't seem like we're there yet.

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[–]Mango753 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"They probably only exist in hardcopy at this point."

You can still reference hardcopy. You're trying to claim "there's a source somewhere that supports this, you just can't find it". That's not my obligation, it's yours.

"Where are the false rape allegations stats on that page?"

Ever heard of bullshit asymmetry? They made no attempt to support their bullshit, why do I have to refute it? I made my comment about how the video failed to use any sources whatsoever, and provided an example of something that clearly did, which we can actually draw some conclusions from.

Despite that, this page has a section on reported vs unreported claims of sexual assault. Clearly there is a difference between the amount of sexual assaults processed fully by the US justice system and the amount that actually occur.

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At least they get information from legitimate sources, and cite them properly.

Just not consistently. And them getting information from a credible source does not mean that they present it in a credible manner.

It also does not change the fact that their sources often conflict with one another as do their claims.

And just because you disagree with RAINN doesn't automatically mean their sources are "bad" or whatever you're trying to say.

I never said the source was bad. I said the person citing it is.

The fact that they are taking information from a legitimate source does not mean that they are properly presenting the information on their site.

For instance, a while back a feminist magazine was citing a study that said women and women with children were the ones least likely to receive a raise or bonus. The study they cited was perfectly legitimate, but what they never mentioned was that if you look at the actual study the difference between the men and the women was only 0.2-0.7 of percentage point. They neglected to even mention this.

But they were still presenting the information in a completely factual way.

The source's validity is completely separate from whoever cites it

But the one doing the citing isn't reputable just because the source is either.