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Senator tells woman to "go to cops" when she puts him on the spot during METOO style hearings.

trekdude13

September 28, 2018
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/lindsey-graham-tells-rape-survivor-090508558.html
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Title Senator tells woman to "go to cops" when she puts him on the spot during METOO style hearings.
Author

trekdude13

Upvotes 267
Comments 50
Date September 28, 2018 2:11 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/9jnadm/senator_tells_woman_to_go_to_cops_when_she_puts/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 131 points132 points133 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

These are the Salem Witch Trials of 2018.

[–]RanmaruMori 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

McCarthy era all over again.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points49 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

1919: We should let women vote, what could go wrong?

2018:

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points42 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

2019: we have repealed the 19th amendment. We asked women from around America if they supported it and they said no, nobody needs an AR15.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Democrats lost nearly every race in 2018 midterms. How did this happen?" -CNN

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People are losing their damn minds with this shit.

Literally right now, if you're a woman, just go lie about rape. Chances are, you probably will get away with it. Even if you are found to be completely lying, most people are going to use mental gymnastics.

"She was scared. She had to do it. She was just lonely."

When I went to college, this chick claimed she was raped on campus. The president of the university even offered a big reward to find the rapist.

It turns out, after so many damn resources were wasted, she recants. She said she was lonely because she was out of state. She even went as far as duct-taping herself to a bridge on campus to say that her rapist did that as she was being raped.

Keep in mind I am no rape apologist or whatever. I think actual rape victims deserve justice, but people shouldn't fucking believe every random accusation, every random possible Me Too incident that may or may not have happened.

It's literally boiling down to her word versus a dude (well, more than 90 percent of the time).

Wow, so he touched your ass 40 years ago, but you can't remember where the party was, which house, what time of the night or...

[–]Kavanaugh_1920 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the Duluth model in action

[–]ScotlandsFavoriteSon 86 points87 points88 points 7 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

From the article: “If [he] had paused to talk with me, instead of rushing into the elevator, I’d have told him the cops can’t do anything about it now, but that doesn’t make it any less true and doesn’t make me any less credible,” she tweeted.

I’m sorry if she was indeed raped 13 years ago as she claims. That’s terrible. But the fact it was over a decade ago does make you less credible. That’s the nature of evidence. Any and all crime should be reported as early as possible to gather as much evidence as possible. Witnesses, including victims, are less credible years after the fact. People are really letting emotions run wild rather than facing the facts.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points66 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

not to mention the fact that HER rape has nothing to do with THIS case. Out of a possible 100, her rape has 0/100 to do with Kavenah. She basically proved this is all tribal mumbo jumbo that people are supposed to just believe. Its just so insane to suggest that her rape has something to do with the NON RAPE that is up for debate here.

[–]Robert_Mugabe_ 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Metoo?

More like:

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME LOOK AT MEEEEEEE

[–]Smithy876 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

From Ms. Swirling's personal piece from HuffPost, on why survivors may not report to the police: "Survivors of sexual violence don’t report to the police for all kinds of reasons, not the least of which are that we see every day how police and our nation’s courts ― including the one on which Kavanaugh currently sits and the one to which he will likely soon be confirmed ― fail to achieve justice for us.

We don’t report because overwhelmingly the people assaulting us are our boyfriend, or friend, or family member, or coach, or clergy ― people we’ve loved and have trusted.

We don’t report because people of color and LGBTQ people are at risk of surviving violence only to face further victimization through state violence.

We don’t report because studies show that police officers commit sexual assault and domestic abuse themselves at disproportionately high rates. 

We don’t report because, as a tweet from @emrazz notes, Brock Turners turn into Brett Kavanaughs who protect Brock Turners."

[–]ScotlandsFavoriteSon 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The answer to this problem is reporting all sexual assault as soon as possible so DNA evidence and any other possible evidence can be gathered. Hospitals will not be bias, they’ll conduct a rape test and gather evidence as best they can. This is how to convict. Cops cannot ignore that kind of evidence. I understand it must be terrifying and difficult but you cannot report a decade later and expect that the rapist will face prosecution. Failure to do so is tragic and not the victims fault, but will likely lead to the assailant walking free. Courts fail to achieve justice because you cannot convict solely on a claim, especially way after the attack. It sucks, but false claims are made so gathering evidence is key to getting justice. Fuck Brock Turner, guy should be in prison for at least 20 years.

[–]Smithy876 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hospitals shouldn't be biased, but some undoubtedly are. Not to mention not everyone has access to healthcare, and those that don't are one of the most targeted demographics for sexual violence.

We can't demand that sexual assaults be reported while not providing adequate protection and treatment for victims.

For instance, what if the assaulter was a cop? What if it was your boss? What if it was anyone in a position of power who could destroy your career, reputation, or worse. Assaults can cause untold amounts of trauma that can prevent people from taking the necessary steps. They need help, not to be told everything they're not doing right. I suppose that sentiment stems from the "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality that pervades American society.

On the subject of false claims, the rate is very low. I suggest this report (will download as a PDF, I can't find a link that doesn't) from the NSVRC, and here's a fact check from Snopes.

As a button, would it be preferable if these women stayed silent and never brought these problems to light? If they didn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and we wouldn't be making progress toward a change. There are going to be waves regardless; this is a big issue. We just have to accept that as the price of Justice without an expiration date.

[–]ScotlandsFavoriteSon 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In what way are hospitals biased? I didn’t demand sexual assaults be reported, I stated the fact that not reporting it early on and getting the evidence as quickly as possible will likely mean the attacker goes free. And of course that’s unfortunate but evidence is the only way to get a conviction. I would never tell a victim “hey you’re not doing the right things” in those words but I would tell them that if they want their accuser jailed they should act quickly. If the attacker is in a position of power, which is often the case, it’s even more important to report it. Otherwise they’re likely to rape someone else. Again, to think with your heart and not your head will only cause more problems. You cannot believe a story without evidence, that’s not how courts work. You’re thinking with your heart and not your head. Of course no one should stay silent no matter how long ago the event took place, however, lack of evidence will likely mean the perpetrator goes free. This is the case in any crime. The fact that the rate of false claims is low does not mean you can assume every accusation is true.

Edit: never got a response on how hospitals are bias but did get a downvote, good argument /s

[+]Indominablesnowplow1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Try talking with women in your family and your female friends and hear what they think: would they have gone to the police?

[–]EpiphanyDistributor 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if the answer is no then anything else they had to say after is irrelevant. that's your one recourse, waive it and you waive your right to opine

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I don't care if they would go, I would tell them that they should have gone to the police.

[+][deleted] -22 points-21 points-20 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If women can't go to the police after being raped why do we let them vote?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They can go to the police. Many choose not to for a whole host of reasons.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's my point. We pay (taxes) people (police) to go after criminals. If women chose not to go to the police, it's a sign that they are not responsible enough to vote for national matters.

[–]durrettd 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Non-sequitur.

[+]Indominablesnowplow1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

But still: try asking your mom or sister or female friends. Get a second opinion. You don’t have to change your mind, just listen

[–]Coolglockahmed 31 points32 points33 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom, wife and sister all think the metoo movement is horseshit. Now what?

[–]durrettd 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honest response: I spoke to a survivor who absolutely believes Ford and is anti Kavanaugh. I explained my position that I have to yield to the sanctity of a presumption of innocence in the absence of evidence over the alternative where any unverifiable claim without corroboration can doom someone.

She understood my position, but acknowledged that she does not agree but is obviously influenced by her experience and that I would likely be, too, had I had a similar experience. I can’t relate so I have no way of knowing. She lamented the entire thing is too political.

We ended our conversation amicably. She and I seldom agree on much politically, but we both agreed that the behavior of the Senators, the media and the vocal public is damaging.

My mind wasn’t changed. Her’s wasn’t either. But we could at least be respectful to each other.

[–]abacabbmk -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shaddap

[+]bayareamota -12 points-11 points-10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too much for for some people. Better to live in ignorance

[+]EpiphanyDistributor -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

females are property

[–]ScotlandsFavoriteSon 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said? I understand it may be difficult to go to the police but not doing so assures the rapist will go free especially if the victim says nothing for thirteen years. Also way to dismiss male victims of sexual assault.

[–]Khaosfury 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole thing’s an exercise in negative reinforcement, where people are only choosing the best outcome for themselves and damn working together to get better results for everyone. Person gets assaulted, doesn’t go to the police for 10 years, police can’t do anything, person complains that the police don’t do anything. Other people get assaulted and don’t go to the police because they didn’t do anything last time, go to the police 10 years later, police still can’t do anything, more people say the police can’t do anything. What’s the alternative, form lynch mobs based on a tweet like what’s been happening all year? That’s not justice, that’s just tribalism. If people use the damn systems in place, the systems work better.

[–]fuckallwhitesheep1 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jump to the :40 mark to miss all the dumb cunt shit

[–]OPs_Moms_Fuck_Toy 37 points38 points39 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Graham was an absolute boss yesterday. He’s had enough of everyone’s crap.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I just watched his comment on "I wont shut up as a white male"

[–]doggo_to_the_rescue 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That sounds amazing do you perchance have a link?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can find that here.

[–]doggo_to_the_rescue 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao good bot. You’re still a dick tho.

[–]tmoneSpends too much time with ass cheeks spread apart -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't get more erect. best political speech I think I have ever witnessed.

[–]Blacksabre 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"I would have told him that the cops can't do anything about it."

If it's truly rape, then yes they could.

[–]bayareamota 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Depends on the state your in.

[–]FunkyBadAssMnky 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like hysteria...

[–]Sewnorthern 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

After 13 years it stops mattering if it was real or not. I'm sure it was. She waited WAY too long. Its not a matter of she said he said its a matter of proof. Besides all that this is not her trial. Or anyone trial actually. This is fuckin 2018 hunger games.

[–]TheBattlingBastard 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

These hoes be lying messing it up for all the real women that got assaulted. I’m sorry but if your getting assaulted you should be fighting tooth and nail the assailant should have scratch marks eyes missing etc.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

agreed. Especially if its a friend and there are other people at the house. However, I can see how a virgin 15 year old does not have the critical thinking to do that.

[–]keastes 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's assuming they don't freeze, and it's not a date rape type situation...

[–]TheBattlingBastard 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Blame that on the parents for not teaching there children to defend themselves and recognizing bad situations

[–]Sewnorthern 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Forget about that even, report it as soon as possible. Not 30+ years later when its convenient to destroy their lives. I feel like im taking crazy pills.... it doesnt matter if it did happen at this point it is so obvious theyre doing this to destroy Kavanaugh. Its disgusting. The tragic irony is that Kavanaugh is the REAL feminist here. Him and Lindsey.

[–]duong9006 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I were him, I would stop for a second and tell it right in her face, "If you can't prove it to the cops, then I don't believe you."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mirror? I get an error about proxy BS. I'm at work, we have a firewall.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://archive.is/DLuuW

[+]uncreative22 -14 points-13 points-12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You forgot to mention that it was Graham that said it. Lindsay Graham is a piece of shit.

[–]0megaMathCastle 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, now this is epic.

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