Frankly speaking, the demonization of feminism sometimes gets in the way of discussing and advocating for a better status for men. More than sometimes, IMHO. People who are interested in a better status for women are able to achieve this without going out of their way to demonize all men as monsters, or create this imaginary concept called "the patriarchy".
Whatever the reason, it's clear there needs to be more focus on men's issues and men's mental health in the field of psychiatry; and this should include more efforts to increase the population of men in the profession.
Nonsense. The fact that there are a lot of man-haters claiming to be feminists does not detract from the positive aspects of the women's rights movement, if you know anything about its history. I'm old enough to remember the "women's liberation" movement of the 70's, which was all about obtaining better status for women - and men-bashing was certainly not the norm.
Since you are aware of it, why deny it?
You're not making much sense here. Deny what?
And what is your suggestion in this regard?
To do some of the things recommended in the article. Did you read it?
WHATEVER the reason, the focus should be on how to make things better for men, right? That's what the article is all about. On this issue, bashing feminism is an easy target. People should be discussing things like, finding ways of encouraging more men to become professional clinical psychologists. Encouraging the government and universities to provide more graduate scholarships and postgraduate fellowships for researchers studying mental health and the male aspects of it. You know? Something productive? For a change?
Being MRA and the MRM is supposed to be about making the lives and the status of men better. And it would be nice to figure out ways of doing so in a productive fashion for a change. This article does that, by a) identifying and delineating the extent of an issue that affects men, and b) offering some suggestions as to how the problems described in the article can be addressed.
Here is an example with Brené Brown, I liked her TED Talk video on shame, but I found some things with her disappointing. I don't think she was doing it consciously, it just never even occurred to her.
Just like Brené Brown states in her video "For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations. Shame is one, do not be perceived as what? Weak.I did not interview men for the first four years of my study.It wasn't until a man looked at me after a book signing, and said, "I love what say about shame, *I'm curious why you didn't mention men." And I said, "I don't study men.**" And he said, "That's convenient."*
"So I started interviewing men and asking questions. And what I learned is this: You show me a womanwho can actuallysitwith a man in real vulnerability and fear,I'll show you a woman who's done incredible work."
A majority of women do not want to deal with men in this way.
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Frankly speaking, the demonization of feminism sometimes gets in the way of discussing and advocating for a better status for men. More than sometimes, IMHO. People who are interested in a better status for women are able to achieve this without going out of their way to demonize all men as monsters, or create this imaginary concept called "the patriarchy".
Whatever the reason, it's clear there needs to be more focus on men's issues and men's mental health in the field of psychiatry; and this should include more efforts to increase the population of men in the profession.
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I beg your pardon?
Nonsense. The fact that there are a lot of man-haters claiming to be feminists does not detract from the positive aspects of the women's rights movement, if you know anything about its history. I'm old enough to remember the "women's liberation" movement of the 70's, which was all about obtaining better status for women - and men-bashing was certainly not the norm.
You're not making much sense here. Deny what?
To do some of the things recommended in the article. Did you read it?
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Dude.
WHATEVER the reason, the focus should be on how to make things better for men, right? That's what the article is all about. On this issue, bashing feminism is an easy target. People should be discussing things like, finding ways of encouraging more men to become professional clinical psychologists. Encouraging the government and universities to provide more graduate scholarships and postgraduate fellowships for researchers studying mental health and the male aspects of it. You know? Something productive? For a change?
Being MRA and the MRM is supposed to be about making the lives and the status of men better. And it would be nice to figure out ways of doing so in a productive fashion for a change. This article does that, by a) identifying and delineating the extent of an issue that affects men, and b) offering some suggestions as to how the problems described in the article can be addressed.
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Here is an example with Brené Brown, I liked her TED Talk video on shame, but I found some things with her disappointing. I don't think she was doing it consciously, it just never even occurred to her.
Just like Brené Brown states in her video " For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations. Shame is one, do not be perceived as what? Weak. I did not interview men for the first four years of my study. It wasn't until a man looked at me after a book signing, and said, "I love what say about shame, *I'm curious why you didn't mention men." And I said, "I don't study men.**" And he said, "That's convenient."*
"So I started interviewing men and asking questions. And what I learned is this: You show me a woman who can actually sit with a man in real vulnerability and fear, I'll show you a woman who's done incredible work."
A majority of women do not want to deal with men in this way.
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Admitting that men are right, knowing that most women can't stand to hear or see men in that way.
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