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Man convicted of grabbing Tinder date's breasts during consensual sex wins appeal

funnyfaceking

January 6, 2018

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Title	Man convicted of grabbing Tinder date's breasts during consensual sex wins appeal
Author	funnyfaceking
Upvotes	65
Comments	44
Date	January 6, 2018 8:29 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7oi4c9/man_convicted_of_grabbing_tinder_dates_breasts/
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[–]JamesBCrazy 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (64 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Lethn 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (55 children) | Copy Link

I know this is a lousy excuse but I'll find another article source, the IBTimes popup is completely preventing me from reading lol :(

https://www.rt.com/uk/406384-tinder-indecent-assault-sex/

There we go.

A male medical graduate has been convicted of indecent assault after repeatedly grabbing his Tinder date’s breasts, even though the two were engaged in consensual sex.

Saying the case had “substantially ruined” the defendant’s life, David Steenson, defending, added: “Queree is in a parlous financial state, as he does not have a job.

If the courts have found it to be a load of bullshit, that means she lied about what happened which meant she broke the law because she was trying to cover up what happened and this happens all the time with false accusers when the cases fall apart.

Then as for the defamation, she got him put on the sex offenders registry and so on which meant the guy is pretty much unemployable and as has been described in the articles has completely put his livelihood at risk. There is also the social stigma of being accused of this, which a lot of people don't like talking about where you have innocent guys that have their names dragged through the mud and nobody wants to associate with them all because of the lies of an accuser.

Now the defamation one is a bit shaky in this case, because she's kept completely anonymous and hasn't gone to the media in this rare case but I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than enough evidence of her causing a huge amount of damage to his social life because of the accusation.

In regards to other cases, it's very common for false accusers to go to the media first before talking to the police because they want to ruin their reputations in either revenge or jealousy and once they've done that they're happy because it takes a lot to recover from when that sort of thing happens.

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[+]RoastedCocoanut1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (51 children) | Copy Link

If the courts have found it to be a load of bullshit, that means she lied about what happened which meant she broke the law because she was trying to cover up what happened and this happens all the time with false accusers when the cases fall apart.

Where did the courts find it to be a load of bullshit? The courts just said that it was still assault, just not indecent assault.

Please read the article next time. It seems like you haven't read more than just the headline and the first few sentences.

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[–]Lethn 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (48 children) | Copy Link

Please explain to me then why when it is a false accusation it takes so long for courts to reach a decision on the verdict yet when they catch actual rapists or harassers ( Who are often male feminists ) it's very easy to convict them?

This is downgrading, I grant you, no they haven't yet completely cleared him, but dodgy court proceedings very often attempt to downgrade the punishments of the accused to try and get them to take the punishment rather than fight it out. I admit I jumped to conclusions, but I've seen this behaviour in court cases so many fucking times I've gotten deeply cynical about anything that does a back and forth in these situations, they're trying to get him to capitulate and he's not having it.

It's like these joke interrogation sessions they have in universities where they pretty much say "Admit you're a rapist or you assaulted her and we'll go easier on you".

[+]RoastedCocoanut1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (47 children) | Copy Link

It's not easy to convict them. Only about 6% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail. Rape cases are often drawn out for months, sometimes even years.

Please read the article next time before you accuse an innocent victim of committing a very serious crime and calling her a liar. It's honestly pretty disgusting of you to call victims "liars" because their assault got downgraded to regular assault. Imagine the outcry if the genders were reversed.

[–]Lethn 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

Please answer me this question then, if it's so 'difficult' to convict rapists, why are so many male feminists getting actual convictions?

Please read the article next time before you accuse an innocent victim of committing a very serious crime and calling her a liar.

You see you just accused me of doing that but you're more than willing to act like the guy is the criminal in this case when the court is clearly having to re-think their decision quite drastically why is it that I'm being held to a higher standard here yet you don't have to hold yourself to the same standard in regards to evidence?

What are you going to do if he gets his case overturned entirely?

Also, I just looked up the statistic you cited.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7442785/Rape-conviction-rate-figures-misleading.html

as many as one in ten rape allegations could be false

the binge drinking culture has increased the risk of rape

nine in ten rapes go unreported

conflicting targets for police and prosecutors is damaging the pursuit of charges

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[–]Rolten 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What crime did she commit?

This case kinda sucks for this example, as the guy was probably in the wrong. He was waaayy to rough apparently and that's not ok. So in this case, she might be in the right for suing him for assault because he was causing her pain even though she had told him to stop.

However, in this case (if I'm not mistaken), she sued him for touching her breasts. To me, that's an absolutely incredibly normal part of sex, and probably to 99.9% of society. If you're already engaged in PIV, you don't ask if you may touch her breasts. It's part of the act.

Since she sued him for something very normal, she has wasted a lot of the court's time and ruined his reputation, causing him great harm. So for that, she's in the wrong.

It's a clusterfuck though. She sued him for the wrong thing and he's very wrong for hurting her.

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I think that in this case it depends on what we generally see as part of an act.

In this case, they were having PIV. I think that in every normal person's book, touching or grabbing a tit or a buttocks is absolutely a part of that. Hands tend to be all over the place. If you'd ask people on the streets if that was ok they would probably vehemently agree.

Part of PIV is not always oral or anal. Those are very different acts. You don't do that without consent.

It's like asking if I can make out with a girl and we proceed to do so for a while, and I then also touch her with my hands. Touch her back, her sides, back of her head? Absolutely normal, even though she didn't explicitly consent to that. Shoving my hands down her pants? Yeah, that's not a part of kissing.

It's just common sense and common practice, and that's why he won the appeal.

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