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Article from AVfM pointing out that exaggerating gender differences promotes gynocentrism and is inimical to men's rights

SamHanes10

November 15, 2017
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https://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/gynocentrisms-love-affair-with-gender-differences/

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Title Article from AVfM pointing out that exaggerating gender differences promotes gynocentrism and is inimical to men's rights
Author

SamHanes10

Upvotes 1
Comments 7
Date November 15, 2017 11:28 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7d872b/article_from_avfm_pointing_out_that_exaggerating/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/article-from-avfm-pointing-out-that-exaggerating.911063
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[–]SamHanes10[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Given the large number of comments in a recent post that seem to be adamant on pushing a deterministic agenda where men and women are 'intrinsically' different, I thought that this article from AVfM would be a useful reminder that exaggerating differences between men and women leads to chivalry and is detrimental to men's rights.

I'm not going to argue whether or not men and women are 'biologically' different beyond anatomical differences. In my opinion, that is simply a distraction. Irrespective of whatever intrinsic differences there are between men and women, a key issue in men's rights is that men and women are simply not treated identically in society. Men are considered disposable and women are considered valuable. We, as a society, need to stop privileging individuals based on something as unchosen as gender.

[–]StorkKing 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think it's quite so cut and dried.

Do you really think that men being better chess players is purely a product of socialization? All of that spacial reasoning stuff?

One of the problems with a purely constructionist view as that it allows for feminists to claim "discrimination" in any area where men surpass women. This in turn "justifies" discrimination against men.

Now, it may be better from a PR point of view to simply say "woman aren't as interested" in X. Which no doubt plays a role as well. But there is little doubt in my mind that the social constructionists are underplaying sexual differences in the same way that the eugenists used to overplay them. And shouldn't the truth come first?

Couldn't we acknowledge the differences while simultaneously fighting for the fairest possible society?

I admit to being ambivalent about the whole mess. The article does raise good points.

[–]SamHanes10[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you really think that men being better chess players is purely a product of socialization? All of that spacial reasoning stuff?

Could be. Since boys and girls are socialised differently from birth, it's virtually impossible to perform an experiment to test whether the behavioural differences observed between males and females on average are due to biology or socialisation. Plus individual differences trump the average differences between genders anyway.

One of the problems with a purely constructionist view as that it allows for feminists to claim "discrimination" in any area where men surpass women. This in turn "justifies" discrimination against men.

I disagree. Any area in which men surpass women could still be due to differences in socialisation and not due to discrimination. There's no need to bring biological determinism into the argument.

Just look at the other thread I referenced. A lot of the comments are simply arguing that "Men and women are inherently different, end of story (perhaps with the implication that women are bad employees and you shouldn't hire them, which is simply sexist and misogynistic)." How is that advancing men's rights? It's actually detrimental because it makes MRAs look like a bunch of sexists.

On the other hand, other comments in that thread point out how the OP's blog highlights instances of female privilege, and that provides insight into the double standards that men and women face, allowing us to question why this double standards exist and work towards removing them.

[–]Ordinate1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is there a repost somewhere so I don't give that website a hit?

[–]SamHanes10[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://archive.is/Fd4vo

[–]Ordinate1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–]Ordinate1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, something from avfm that I actually agree with, even though they missed the point:

Feminism has become conservative; they have climbed up the ladder ahead of men and are trying to pull it up behind them.

"Manspreading," for example; that's just a post-modernist excuse to keep the same privilege, i.e. men are supposed to give up their seats for women, just instead of it being because women are weaker, it's because men are pigs.

The old system wasn't good for men or women, but men have seriously gotten the short end of the stick under the new system. Maybe it's time we quit acting like this is a zero sum game.

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