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When did Women start "Holding Up the Sky"? : The Answer

Estephe

September 25, 2017
31 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2017/09/women-hold-up-half-sky-it-is-said.html
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Title When did Women start "Holding Up the Sky"? : The Answer
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Estephe

Upvotes 31
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Date September 25, 2017 12:35 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/72c4j0/when_did_women_start_holding_up_the_sky_the_answer/
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[–]goodfoobar 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So the phrase "Woman hold up half the sky" was Chinese propaganda used at a time when they were trying to get women to behave more like men. Both genders were assigned the same jobs and wore the same clothing. The sexual repression was immense, sex education was basically banned.

Today feminists use the phrase and attempt to get boys to behave more like girls. Interesting.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I really wish women stop saying that they contribute to society. They dont and the fact that western society is falling apart with less than 25% female representation is proving that.

[–]derpylord143 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Because they can and some do contribute. I know a lot of women who are as good as me at computing, law, and a lot of other skills which are useful in modern society. Maybe not a traditional society but modern society they do.

The fact that following the introduction of women into the work place (and aims for equality), society started failing, is confusing correlation with causation. The first rule there is to ask "could there be another cause, that creates both"?

There are a plethora of different reasons for what might be breaking down society. Most notably and the most plausible in my view is that society was and is currently going through huge changes due to new advances in tech. In fact it is that very advance that allows women to function in the work place, because they are working primarily "modern" jobs, not traditional ones (soldier, builders, miners etc.) though you will find a lot of men in these professions as well, you'll find far fewer women in traditional work.

As such I argue that the introduction of women into the work place is merely the result of advancing tech, as is the fact that society is going through turmoil.

In the past 100 years, tech has advanced more rapidly than any other stage in history after all, it would be absurd to assume there would be no crappy effects on society during that, because society has to grow and change, and that always comes with the chance of things going wrong for a while.

Not everything is a result of "the women", and trust me, thats coming from an ardent MRA (though one focused on actual equality or at least getting as close to it as possible).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If it became law that women were not allowed to work the next day, the only industry that would momentarily suffer is the medical industry. Women entering the workforce was pure propaganda in the first place to stagnate wages. Did you remember the woman's strike? Employers just fired the women who left work to go on strike and society ran just fine.

[–]derpylord143 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

it would cripple a lot of industries: teaching, medical fields, accounting, the BAR (lawyers in general actually - would atleast be hindered), most interior cleaning jobs, child care, the retail fields and so forth. The fall in female workers simply would put too much pressure on male workers because there simply wouldn't be enough trained individuals to take up the spots, not anymore.

Hell look at this list. Anything below 65% men, is gonna get crippled by women dropping out of the work force.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/chalabi-datalab-flightattendants-2.png

[–]frasoftw 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely agree with you. Thinking women could just disappear and everything would run like normal is delusional.

Just felt like nitpicking that if women weren't allowed to work the child care industry would pretty much disappear. Women's pant suit industry would be similarly crippled but at the same time unnecessary.

[–]derpylord143 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually noticed that before posting (i wrote it quickly then proof read) but you need to consider the scenario he created, "women not allowed to work". I figure if that's the case women will be pedantic as hell and include cooking, cleaning and child care as work, I mean I would. That said your point is correct in general it would be a non-issue.

[–]nforne 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay, so if all the women vanished overnight, and the childcare industry with them, who would take care of children so their fathers could work? Or would you just let them roam the streets?

Having my daughter in childcare allows me to work.

[–]frasoftw 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Original:

If it became law that women were not allowed to work the next day

You:

Okay, so if all the women vanished overnight

Yea if you change the scenario then obviously it changes the outcome

[+]SLTSTL1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It would cripple a lot of industries:

The point is, if we go the other way, things are much, much worse. Yes teaching, nursing, and law would take huge hits without women but if we remove men, things like basic utilities (electricity/water/gas/sewer) stop working. Trucking shuts down so no food at grocery stores. Farms shut down so no food to ship anyways. No IT/Telecom so internet and phones go down. You can keep going on all day. Fact is, men are the absolute backbone and foundation of society.

[–]derpylord143 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet strangely I never denied that. I believe that's called a strawman. I never said men didn't perform more crucial work, in fact I'm pretty certain I noted a few of the ones they did above.

My point was that he was saying women don't contribute, and they do. I was demonstrating the fact that many industries would be damaged pretty heavily if women vanished, showing that they do contribute.

Not to mention disproving his assertion that the only one affected would be the medical one.

If you are going to attack my position at least do so accurately.

[–]perplexedm 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They dont and the fact that western society is falling apart with less than 25% female representation is proving that.

It is not just west, every healthy community suffers from this because of feminism.

[–]Estephe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anybody think that the mass murder (based on non-compliance with the political ideology, or being politically incorrect) in China that occurred in this period of "change" is an interesting aspect?

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