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Arkansas Bill 1032 is a men's rights bill that protects the rights of fathers to take care of children, that the ACLU is saying it allows rapists to prevent women from getting abortions.

TrollyMcCoxlong

July 14, 2017
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Title Arkansas Bill 1032 is a men's rights bill that protects the rights of fathers to take care of children, that the ACLU is saying it allows rapists to prevent women from getting abortions.
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TrollyMcCoxlong

Upvotes 0
Comments 17
Date July 14, 2017 1:22 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6n8zge/arkansas_bill_1032_is_a_mens_rights_bill_that/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Nope. If it's currently legal and they are depriving a woman of the right, I'm against it.

Life isn't fair, or equal, as much as we may wish otherwise. There are going to be inequalities regardless, so until the technology to transfer fetuses exists, I'm not going to tell a woman she can't get an abortion.

[+][deleted] 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I never said this. In fact, if you check my posting history, you'll note I'm a supporter of fiscal abortion. Men should have the right to terminate their parenting rights in the same way women can terminate the pregnancy.

[+][deleted] 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but as you said; it's backwards and I choose to move forward.

[–]TrollyMcCoxlong[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I would agree. Many men wouldn't prevent a woman from having an abortion. It would be unfair.

However, what if a man who had consensual sex with a woman, and she got pregnant and got an abortion, and the man never produces a child after that, and at the end of his life wished he done otherwise, shouldn't he have had the option to at least start a negotiation with that woman.

I don't think it would severely restrict a woman, most men wouldn't use that right. But if a few did, it would only help those men exercise their rights and they could start talking and come up with a compromise.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

We all have regrets, it doesn't give us the authority to impinge on the rights of others.

There is literally nothing stopping your negotiating scenario now, it is only without the threat of law. That's acceptable to me.

[–]TrollyMcCoxlong[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

But a woman with a regret, or a woman with an axe to grind, has the authority to impinge on a man's right to be a father. The rights thing is a double edged sword.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm not buying the entitlement here. A man can be a father through surrogacy or adoption regardless, so the point is moot.

[–]TrollyMcCoxlong[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Unless he doesn't have the money to pay for such agreements. Surrogacy and Adoption cost $10s of thousands just to get a child, and filing an injunction could be much less.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

At the expense of another's agency.

No. Deprivation of one's liberty is wrong no matter how you might try to justify it with emotion.

[–]TrollyMcCoxlong[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So in the situation where a woman gets an abortion at the expense of a man who lives just over barely minimum wage, she would be the one whose liberty is being denied if he got an injunction, not his liberty if she went and got the abortion. Okay, that makes sense. Women first after all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't pull the drama queen card, please. I disagree with your position that a man's right to be a father trumps a woman's right to bodily autonomy. That's it.

[–]TrollyMcCoxlong[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That means the sexes are not equal. It should be neither trumps the other.

[–]mrwhibbley 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No bill is perfect. The few cases where the woman is actually raped, actually gets pregnant, actually delivers and keeps it and the rapist is actually interested in custody pales in comparison to the tens of thousands of men that want legitimate custody of a non rape conceived child. The problem with excluding rape (which it should be if it can be proven) is that women will falsely accuse the men to punish them and gain custody. And no mention of what happens if the women are the rapists.

[–]Ordinate1 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, yet another wildly biased article on the subject.

[–]RapeMatters 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm against this on the grounds of right to self. I find the right to one's own body one of the highest tier. I wouldn't even force someone to give a pint of blood to someone they ran over in their car.

And parental surrender/paper abortion isn't analagous to abortion. It's analagous to safe haven laws.

Pregnancy may be very safe, but it's not without risk, and forcing a person to carry a pregnancy is just as disgusting as forcing a person to donate a kidney.

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