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A feminist critique of the female villain in Wonder Woman: No surprise, she's only evil because of "patriarchy"

EricAllonde

June 28, 2017
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/r/MensRights
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Title A feminist critique of the female villain in Wonder Woman: No surprise, she's only evil because of "patriarchy"
Author

EricAllonde

Upvotes 60
Comments 19
Date June 28, 2017 12:37 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]kinyutaka 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, but if she gets sexually aroused at the idea of killing people with a corrosive gas, I don't think she'd become a healer outside of male influence.

Wonder Woman spared her life because she (WW) didn't want to do what Ares told her to do.

[–]bufedad 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of the comments are pretty good.

Heck, there's a good comparison between Wonder Woman and the Man of Steel in the comments that I think is worth reading.

[–]PIG_CUNT 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

What if she lived in a time and place where women could pursue science and achieve and excel without the blessing, permission, or aid of men?

She does. No blessing, permission, or aid is required.

What if it were possible for her work to garner respect without needing to be connected to some greater, generally masculine goal?

It is. Just do good work and you will garner respect.

Actually, that's not true: if a man does good work he garners respect from all. If a women does good work, she gets TONS of respect from feminists and they regard her as having accomplished something amazing because she did good work or because she accomplished the same as a man. Thus revealing the soft and subtle misogyny of feminists:

"You did what men do? Wow!!!!!!!! I know I claim women are equal but we all know I don't, because when it actually happens I find it amazing!!!"

It's exactly like Chris Rock's bit about the fact that black people hold racist views against black people, by pointing out that they brag about merely doing what they're supposed to do.

"Yo i take CARE a' MY kids!" You want a medal? You're SUPPOSED to take care of your kids!

[–]EricAllonde[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"You did what men do? Wow!

Yes, I see this all the time and it is certainly a little tiresome.

[–]PIG_CUNT 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But aside from finding it personally tiresome, the important thing is how it reveals their own view of women's inferiority. And they don't even realize it.

[+]cloverboy77 points 9 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you truly understand now that overwhelming unrelenting seething penis envy is at the bitter bitter heart of every feminist of the constant man hating, constanly belittling men's achievements and capabilities, grrrl power slogan spouting, "male tears" coffee mug owning, endlessly complaining, bitching, whiny and trying to impede men's success at every turn because she's smacked headlong into the rude reality that when women try and compete against men on a level playing field the feminist propoganda lies wither and die and they are forced to face men are equal or superior at every task men have been traditionally tasked with doing and that there is simply no area, role, responsibility, or task where replacing a man for a woman brings more value and compounding greatly this abject humiliating defeat is the fact earlier in life her hubris, immense arrogance, and profound ignorance led her to openly rejecting and shitting all over her one unique non fungible inherently valuable, important, necessary, and fulfilling role (motherhood), mocking it, denigrating it, smugly declaring it oppressive and obsolete and unfillfilling and inferior to the roles of men thus burning her bridges leaving no out before she even knew if she could do as well as men , the always insufferably blame shifting pity party throwing responsibility avoider and always finding new ways to rationalize away personal failures by blaming "the patriarchy" awful awful unpleasant just fucking miserable kind?

[–]PIG_CUNT 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a hell of a sentence

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't be bothered to read all that shit. Surely, though, it diminishes this woman's agency if she's evil because of "the patriarchy"?

[–]skippedydo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

What annoys me about modern superhero flicks is that they're so fucking violent. How are kids supposed to enjoy this stuff? Anyone remember the original Superman? Superhero flicks used to be fun. Now they're supposed to be super serious nitty gritty violent and grim.

If you're going to make it super violent then at least make it super sexy. Wonder Woman could have definitely used with a nude scene ;) And if you're a chick, then hell, show a male nude scene as well.

Come to think of it, it is insane that mass slaughter is considered less taboo than a fucking nipple, according to the MPAA.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What annoys me about modern superhero flicks is that they're so fucking violent.

A lot of comics, which the movies are based upon, are violent. Given the powers that these characters, and their adversaries, possess, violence is the natural consequence.

Anyone remember the original Superman?

I'm not a huge fan. Never have been. If I laughed at it as a kid in the late 80s/early 90s, I can only imagine how quaint it must look to a kid today.

Superhero flicks used to be fun.

I'd say they're more fun now, if anything.

[–]skippedydo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying there isn't a place for ultra-violent superhero flicks. But I think a lot of these films take themselves way too seriously. I mean this is Wonder Woman not The Punisher. I liked the first half of Wonder Woman better than the second; the naive, morally pure babe-out-of-woods character clashing with the dominant culture was fun; the CG bullet fest was yawn-inducing after awhile.

Besides, you're missing my more salient point: Wonder Woman should have gotten nekked.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Wonder Woman was training to be a killer at an age when the Punisher's mother was wiping his snotty nose. She carries around a fuck-off sword that isn't for cutting sandwiches, and she's frequently portrayed as being violent. I have yet to see the movie, but from what I saw of her in the last film, the filmmakers have done right by her. I like the idea of fantastical characters placed in a realistic setting much more than putting them in a silly world.

And I wouldn't have been against WW getting naked. Definitely an attractive woman.

[–]SantaOrange 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

isn't for cutting sandwiches

Why? Why can't she cut the sandwich! In fact, forget Subway or your local Deli, Wonder Woman could probably make a kickass sandwich.

I like the idea of fantastical characters placed in a realistic setting much more than putting them in a silly world.

I suppose the reverse wouldn't be very entertaining: a silly world with boring characters ;)

But again you're missing the point:

WW getting naked.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wonder Woman could probably make a kickass sandwich.

I'm sure she could. I wouldn't ask her to, though.

[–]skippedydo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh and the original Superman? It was awesome. You have no soul ;)

[–]rocelot7 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The first Superman movie didn't age well. You can still enjoy for the cheesy bit of pop culture that it always was, but is quite far epitome of comics. It was only the silver age that was the sanitized kids friendly version of superheroes. Though the first two Spiderman movies hold up quite well and the heroics are more centered around saving people than fighting them. Besides how would you do a nonviolent movie centered around WWI?

Also sex getting stricter ratings compared to violence is a separate issue.

[–]SantaOrange -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sure Roger Ebert had it on his "best 100 movies" before he died.

The film has aged exquisitely.

There are two possibilities. Superman rocks. Or you're a douche.

Edit: sorry, mix up.

[–]elebrin 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually quite enjoyed Wonder Woman.

There was one thing in particular that was important to me. While they did the diversity thing on Thermopylae (which I don't care about because it's DC's bastardization of ancient mythology), they showed the suffering of the men in the trenches and didn't shy away from some of the worse things that could happen. Charlie is a case in point. He was giving everything he had to the cause, including his sanity. The moment when he was happy playing the piano was for me the saddest scene in the movie because I know for guys like that those moments are so few and far between.

The movie was all go-go-girlpower, but it was seeing the suffering of the men in the trenches that really moved Wonder Woman to do what she did.

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can we enjoy just one, one fucking female super hero without someone making it out to be a feminist statement.

I mean seriously MRAs don't treat every male super hero a statement on the MRM, just one fucking time let people simply enjoy a Superheroine,

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