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Anti-male environment driving men away from college - WND

thrway_1000

June 13, 2017
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Title Anti-male environment driving men away from college - WND
Author

thrway_1000

Upvotes 36
Comments 15
Date June 13, 2017 7:06 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6h22vs/antimale_environment_driving_men_away_from/
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Comments

[–]Fortspucking 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I also wonder how many men these days are doing a cost-benefit analysis of college and finding other ways to get education and training that doesn't leave them hamstrung financially.

[–]Lethn 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well since this directly effects me I can tell you that private tuition is the option I took. I expect many men will be looking at going into work/training right away, apprenticeships or taking the really vocational courses and so on to avoid this crap.

Things were bad enough for men and boys when it came to education generally with how their actual learning was completely ignored but now it's not even worth going to university for the social experience and networking which is often what is cited by idiots who try to advertise these places or justify their existence.

More and more, young men are failing to graduate from college and earn their degrees, either because they drop out or they choose never to attend in the first place.

Yeah, them not bothering is not them 'failing' another thing I absolutely hate is the the fucking arrogance of people who have been through university acting as if it is the ultimate expression of knowledge.

[–]elebrin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The modern paid internship, when they can be found, isn't all that far off of the traditional apprenticeship. I've successfully mentored several interns now and six months of poor pay followed by a year to learn the profession in a junior role gets people up to speed far faster than going to school does.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well this is for the UK but I do quite like the apprenticeship system we have here. It pretty much guarantees employment as you're being trained directly under a professional or company and they're pretty much taking you on under the condition that you'll not only be paid during the time you're learning which prevents them from conning free labour out of students and then they'll definitely get employed after or at the very least have something really good on their CV as they've actually taken part in producing stuff rather than just making coffees and so on.

I know it will vary from employer to employer but I think internships leave too much room for people to exploit students for free labour. I remember quite a high profile case actually where this chain called pound shop was completely screwing over students and they were pretty much threatening them that if they didn't work for free they'd pretty much get bad credentials and so on even though all they were doing is being made to stack shelves without pay.

[–]elebrin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The internships at my company aren't like that. They get paid double minimum wage (which still isn't a lot of money), and they are helping the team with the tasks that they have while learning from a team member directly. For example, I taught my last intern quite a lot about C# and unit testing in scheduled one-on-one tutoring sessions.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that's great in that case, I've got no problem with it :)

[–]DavidByron2 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Every male college student could reasonably sue their college under title IX. Every single one.

The deliberate anti-male policy creating an extremely hostile environment is now well known to exist at every college. This is exactly what title IX was created to outlaw. Under feminists title IX was the weapon used to create the very thing that title IX outlaws.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And they see no problem with it

[–]feedmecarrots 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I concur. Colleges are "hostile environments" in the legal sense and they aren't getting so much as a alp on the wrist.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A lot of men are choosing not to go because it makes no economic sense for them. The degree programs that yield high incomes and the best career prospects are still largely male. If you want to know where that female majority is, go check out an art history or gender studies lecture.

Meanwhile, a lot of young men who could attend college are realizing that they don't want to be engineers doctors or accountants (just to name a few) and are looking into similarly solid paying careers with non college education paths.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or lower paying careers that provide what they need.

[–]elebrin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah... if you can start work next week as an apprentice plumber, work eight hours a day, then go home and eventually work your way up to journeyman while getting paid that's a far better deal than taking four hours of courses every day, then studying another 4-5 hours, then working a shit retail job for another three or four hours a day and hoping to get in some sleep and maybe a social life. The work may suck sometimes but apprentices get paid right away and get to go home and go to sleep. Students ALWAYS have more studying and work to do, and they pay for the privilege.

[–]Wswanson001 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only reason I went to college was to get a piece of paper saying I was smart enough to do a job I've been doing for a decade beforehand. I went to one of those private colleges, and even there this "check the privilege" crap was going strong. The English Lit professor, first day, flat out said that no male would make above an 85 in her class, "sorry, but you have other things going for you". Now, I had been bullied pretty much most of my childhood. I was 5' 3" at the end of my sophomore year, 6' the beginning of my junior year. I hate bullies, period. And in my mind, that's what she was doing. So, with a mix of anger, justice, and a drop of sheer stubbornness I called her out on it. Argument ranged everywhere from how much harder women had to study to be accepted to male's inclination of rape. She had the theory that men can't be raped because of the consent by erection. I told her if a physical reaction to sexual stimulus was enough for consent, a women can't be raped either. I kept after her for a couple of weeks. And I got the stink eye from other profs too. Didn't matter, anytime she stepped on that path, I was right there growling and barking. The provost got involved and asked what the hell my problem was. Flat out told him, if I was going to pay good money and study my ass off, I want my fucking grade. Got to a point where I told him if no male passed higher than 85, I would take the story about how their college purposely undercut the grades of 4 veterans (one of which was a Purple Heart) simply because of their gender; to the local station. And then start making noise about their aviation program (their pride and joy). Too late for the short story, but we got our fucking grade.

Guys have to start fighting this. No more taking the high road. Call them out on the bullshit. Make it painful for universities to promote gender supremacy. If SJWs start screaming you down like chimps flinging poo, put on a raincoat and get back in their faces. We've had to eat shit and smile, enough'a enough.

[–]The-beat-man 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

community colleges are not immune. i thought they were an alternative because they don't have women's studies departments and focus more on hands on training

[–]elebrin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I sorta wish they'd had one of those "sexual respect and consent" seminars at my college. I would have played up the ultra-prude sexual ignoramus card, assuming nobody else there did. In a way it would be SUPER fun - you'd get to make all sorts of overtly judgmental comments about the other people there.

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