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PA Governor Tom Wolf announces new rape law - Affirmative Consent and anonymous reporting options

MattClark0995

April 27, 2017
32 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.governor.pa.gov/governor-wolf-announces-its-on-us-pa-legislation/
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Title PA Governor Tom Wolf announces new rape law - Affirmative Consent and anonymous reporting options
Author

MattClark0995

Upvotes 32
Comments 23
Date April 27, 2017 11:10 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/67uwnp/pa_governor_tom_wolf_announces_new_rape_law/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A made up epidemic to justify a horrific violation of human rights.

Sounds like every pogrom in history.

[–]MattClark0995[S] 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

How will a young male student defend against an anonymous rape allegation? I'm assuming Mr Wolf couldn't give less of a fuck.

[–]Halafax 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm assuming Mr Wolf couldn't give less of a fuck.

Really? I've heard he gives lots of fucks. Non consensual fucks. Make sure to let the anonymous reporting system know that.

[–]Vandechoz 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this sort of abuse is usually a result of past abuse, so it'd probably be best to report his relatives just to be safe

[–]rebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Turn in your consent forms!

[–]franklindeer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Presumably because this is so clearly a violation of a number of rights, this will not stand up to challenges. Hopefully there are some activist lawyers in PA with a war chest willing to take this to the higher courts and have it overturned.

[–]MattClark0995[S] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just to see the bs response I get, I emailed the PA ACLU chapter. I know they won't do a damn thing, probably won't even get back to me but I would like to see the fucked up logic they use to justify this policy if they do decide to email back.

[–]68696c6c 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You have a constitutional right to face your accuser, how is that legal?

[–]omegaphallic 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Feminism rarely worries about about inconventient things like legal rights.

[–]franklindeer 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The irony of any group that tries to erode such protections is that they erode them for themselves as well. Any protection you're unwilling to extend to your enemy is unavailable to yourself, which is a good thing to keep in mind whenever discussing these subjects.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's going to bite themselves in the ass in the long term.

[–]franklindeer 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course, but I hope it doesn't, because I don't want to live in that world just to see cosmic justice.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Realistically it's not something we can protect them from, the consequences will unfold based on their actions.

[–]franklindeer 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not my point. My point is that as much as they deserve to be the victims of their own creations, it necessarily means that we have to live in a world where these creations exist and if it comes down to it, I'd rather not see these idiots victimized if it meant that due process and reasonable protections and laws existed that prevented that. Again, like my original remark, the rules that apply to my enemies apply to me, so I want them to be protected from injustice as well.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you, but the fact is that changes nothing, at least right now, although I am all for fighting this stupidity.

[–]franklindeer 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Only at trial. The reality is though that an anonymous report of a crime like sexual assault is totally worthless and can't even be investigated so this is a pointless exercise. Now if this were something that resulted in a kind of summary judgement like on a University campus, it could be a real problem, but criminal complaints where the only evidence is a witness can't even be investigated without the cooperation of said witness so unless they are willing to give up their anonymity, it's a pointless policy.

What's much more concerning is the trend this kind of legislation indicates because if a legislator was willing to overstep and change the procedures of the criminal courts to allow anonymous accusations at trial, you'd basically have no due process at all. Presumably this would never pass muster in an appeals court, but there are countries where this is somewhat already the case and witnesses are examined in camera or the trials are closed to the public and press. Sweden for example.

Edit: Scratch that, this law only applies to educational institutions, who would likely be handing out summary punishments to accused students. This was fucked already, but that's even more fucked.

[–]feedmecarrots 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish there were a political downside to caving into rape hysteria, but there isn't. He is making a mess that one of his successors will have to clean up.

[–]BaconCatBug 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Surely there is at least one guy willing to abuse this to make a point?

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that means hurting an innocent women and moat men have too much interity to exploit this law, not that they'd actually suceed anyways in the unlikely event of pressing charges.

[–]BaconCatBug -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is that means hurting an innocent women

Boo fucking hoo

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." Collateral damage, male or female is unacceptable to me, I refuse to become the monster I fight.

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/IlCPX

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The War on men continues.

What are the odds that this will be gender neutral and women will be held to the same standards? Yeah I didn't think so.

How long can this ahit go on for, before a majority of men snap and MGTOW just explodes in popularity.

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