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Mother kidnaps her two sons. People raise money to help her.

existentialhack

April 2, 2017
113 upvotes
/r/MensRights

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/02/nottinghamshire-police-search-for-missing-mother-samantha-baldwin-and-two-sons

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/friendsofsamanthabaldwin?fb_comment_id=1244211392342637_1246205175476592&comment_id=1246205175476592#f15b1c1d92e28fc

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Title Mother kidnaps her two sons. People raise money to help her.
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existentialhack

Upvotes 113
Comments 13
Date April 2, 2017 12:10 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/62zbh5/mother_kidnaps_her_two_sons_people_raise_money_to/
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Comments

[–]TigPlaze 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's a criminal abductor and deserves to go to prison.

[–]imthewiseguy 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

[–]feedmecarrots 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Given the anti-male bias in UK courts, for this woman to lose custody, she has to be clearly a danger to her kids. I hope this ends well.

[+]emberfly -11 points-10 points-9 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

  1. This has nothing to do with men's rights.

  2. There is nothing to indicate that what the people say in the crowdfunding campaign isn't true. Nothing in the article talks about why Samantha would be an unfit parent or a danger to her children. The people in the fundraiser mention that they know Samantha personally and "know" that she is a good person and a good mother, so there's really nothing to see here. It's their word vs the court's. They claim the court failed Samantha and that this is all one huge injustice. Maybe it is. We don't know, because the article did not mention a single thing about what happened, and neither did the fundraiser page.

  3. Again, what does this have to do with men's rights? If a man were in this situation, people could easily advocate for his right to have custody of his children, create a crowdfunding campaign supporting him, advocating for his quality of character, how much his friends and family "know" that he's a good person, yada yada.

  4. If you were attempting to point out how the courts treat men and women differently by giving women special treatment, you failed miserably, as the courts are completely against her, and have people out looking for her, calling her a child abductor, kidnapper, unfit to parent them, a danger to them, etc.

[–]existentialhack[S] 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One. Yes it does. It illustrates unfounded perceptions about the inherent goodness and righteousness of Mothers and women. It's a classic "invert the sexes" scenario. A man in this situation would not have a fucking online fundraiser setup with dozens of donations and supportive comments.

Two. "There is nothing to indicate that what the people say in the crowdfunding campaign isn't true." There is nothing to indicate it is true. "Nothing in the article talks about why Samantha would be an unfit parent or a danger to her children." She had her children taken from her. She kidnapped her children. That's why she would be an unfit parent and a danger to her children. Certainly, a man in that scenario would be.

"We don't know, because the article did not mention a single thing about what happened, and neither did the fundraiser page." Exactly. Yet dozens of people are happy to donate.

Three. Yes. And it would garner zero interest.

Four. No. It seems, in that respect, this was a "win". What appears to have happened is that she accused the Father of abuse/etc and refused to let him see his kids. And in return, she had her custody revoked. I'm speculating, as I can't find any further facts. There seems to be a worrying lack of transparency in child custody cases.

She is a child abductor. Taking children you don't have legal custody of = child abduction.

edit: fucking formatting.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think this is here because it could be viewed as further evidence of favoritism for mothers over fathers. I could only imagine if this was a man who kidnapped his children there would be crowdfunding to hire private detectives to help bring him to justice.

[+]emberfly -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe, but if there were family and friends of the man who "knew" that he was a good person, they could just as easily make one to support him.

[–]RebelWitch 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its easy for misandry to be ignored or missed in todays culture. Its okay, most people do it, specially the money bigs, I forgive you, not sure the devils will tho.

[–]the_unseen_one -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off.

[–]emberfly -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was banned from /r/feminism for using facts and logic. I don't do well with groups of idiots.

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