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Today on CNBC, Warren Buffet said "If a lady says no, she means maybe. And if she says maybe, she means yes. And if she says yes, she's no lady." - Any guesses as to why there is no feminist outrage??

SodaPalooza

February 28, 2017
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http://www.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-on-negotiating-women-and-sex-2017-2
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Title Today on CNBC, Warren Buffet said "If a lady says no, she means maybe. And if she says maybe, she means yes. And if she says yes, she's no lady." - Any guesses as to why there is no feminist outrage??
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SodaPalooza

Upvotes 24
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Date February 28, 2017 1:48 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
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Comments

[–]SodaPalooza[S] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I think this is a clear example of a liberal saying something extremely misogynistic and getting a pass from feminists because they have no desire to "destroy" Warren Buffet who typically sympathizes with causes they support.

But what if someone in the conservative movement said this? What if it was Paul Ryan, or Rush Limbaugh or even Donald Trump? We'd see another massive liberal women's march talking about how their rights have been violated.

It's the same as Lena Dunham not being criticized for sexually assaulting her sister or Amy Schumer being let off the hook for have sex with a guy while he's passed out. For feminists, it doesn't matter what is said or done, all that matters is who is doing or saying it.

For the record, it's not my dog in the fight, but Buffet's comments are wrong, insensitive and have no place in 2017.

[–]feedmecarrots 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Warren Buffet is old school and allowances are being made for that, but the biggest consideration is that he is one of the richest, most powerful men in the world. Hypergamy wins, again.

[–]AnalGettysburg 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

His comment was anecdotal, rather than literal. He wasn't literally saying that women who say no mean maybe, he was using an old expression to get a point across (about a sale, not about amorous advances). While it's perhaps not the best anecdote he could have used, this hardly seems worth anyone getting upset over.

[–]ThirdTurnip 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I think you mean allegorical rather than anecdotal.

Yes this isn't worth getting upset over. But that is equally true of an awful of lot things which spark both mainstream and social media outrage with cries of misogyny, toxic masculinity etc. etc.

[–]AnalGettysburg 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I actually flip flopped on which to use here :) allegorical felt too strong to me, though an argument could be made for its use. I was shooting for 'a funny little aside,' which is why I used anecdotal instead.

As to the second point, I'm not willing to get on board with the idea that we should be upset over any person behaving rationally right now, when they hadn't in the past. So far as I'm concerned, the more we tend towards calm, level-headedness, the better.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Anecdote and allegory aren't the same thing in different strengths. They're completely different. An anecdote is a story about something you claim really happened. An allegory is a fictional story used to make a point.

So this is an allegory within an anecdote. This being an anecdote doesn't seem meaningful to me in this context. His specific comment about what constitutes a lady being allegorical does.

As to the second point, I'm not willing to get on board with the idea that we should be upset over any person behaving rationally right now, when they hadn't in the past.

I have no idea what means.

So far as I'm concerned, the more we tend towards calm, level-headedness, the better.

So would most of us, including the OP I'd say.

The point isn't that we should be outraged by this comment. The point is that the outrage is inconsistent and had someone else said this, we might be seeing it right now.

[–]AnalGettysburg 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My point wasn't that anecdote is right, and allegory wrong. I don't think either is the right term for this because it is a statement, not a story (so allegory doesn't fully apply), and it conveys a meaning, instead of simply being humorous (so anecdote doesn't fully apply). I don't know the correct word for "a humorous aside that gets at a greater truth," so I used anecdote. But I'd imagine we're both thinking of the same thing, even if we choose different words to describe it.

The title was framed in such a way as to imply that we should be angry with the left for not condemning buffett's comment. I was was saying that I cannot get on board with that sentiment in this case, because that would be me getting upset over them not doing the thing I don't want them to do. I think it's reasonable that he shouldn't be condemned for this statement by anyone, and the left is not condemning him. I'm not going to get angry over that.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's not what anecdotes and allegories are.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/anecdote

  1. a short account of a particular incident or event, especially of an interesting or amusing nature.

  2. a short, obscure historical or biographical account.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/allegory

  1. a representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms; figurative treatment of one subject under the guise of another.

  2. a symbolical narrative: the allegory ofPiers Plowman.

  3. emblem (def 3).

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/allegory

a story, play, poem, picture, or other work in which the characters and events represent particular qualities or ideas that relate to morals, religion, or politics

His story about that business deal is an anecdote. This diplomat lady story is allegorical. It didn't actually happen and it's meant to convey a moral.

The title was framed in such a way as to imply that we should be angry with the left for not condemning buffett's comment.

No it doesn't. Not in the slightest.

As I've said before, it's meant to convey that feminist outrage is hypocritically inconsistent.

[–]AnalGettysburg 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Any guesses as to why there is no feminist outrage??" is framed (by using two question marks) in an aggressive fashion. If he had used one, it would be a different story.

I believe you have convinced me about the difference between allegories and anecdotes, though I suspect that'll be the end of my convincing.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh no. Use of two question marks? Yes, that's definitely a sign of aggression.

Isn't toxic masculinity just awful?

[–]Zaygoat 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not misogynistic. It's the truth.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except for the last part maybe. She's no lady if she says "yes" to anyone, but for my way of thinking, being clear is more classy than being inarticulate, misleading or simply rudderless.

[–]fcb98292 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bitches love SMV. AWALT.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cuz it's true and he's rich.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is this really a post that seems to be doing feminists work for them? What's the point of this post to the MRA?

[–]SodaPalooza[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it is merely to demonstrate feminist hypocrisy. The same link was posted on Twox (see "other discussions" above) and was ignored (got like 7 responses, half of them deleted). Had Trump or some other conservative said something anywhere near similar to this, we'd have calls of being a rape apologist, contributing to rape culture and looking for someone to get fired.

When feminists do attack someone for an ineloquent use of words, it has nothing to do with the words that are actually uttered, and everything to do with siezing on an opportunity to attack (and hopefully destroy) someone that they see as an enemy.

[–]Maschalismos 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dammit, Warren.

We don't need that bullshit in modern society. We need more women being upfront and asking men out.

[–]subvolt 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think I'll become a fauxminist. I'll give lip service and say all the right feminist things then turn around and be a completely sexist misogynist. I wonder if they'd ever catch on?

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They would but it depends on how high up the ranks you are, somebody as powerful and rich like Warren Buffet they'll constantly make excuses for or just ignore his comments completely because it doesn't fit with the narrative.

Lower down the food chain however? We've all seen what happens when even raging liberals step out of line that the collective feels hasn't contributed enough to them.

[–]Rasalom72 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But he is absolutely correct about both politics and women. Frequently when women say "no", they mean maybe (as in they enjoy the chase and want a strong man chasing them).

The amount of people on here who refuse to acknowledge a female mental process is staggering. We have the science to prove it, you just need to educate yourselves.

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