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The HPV vaccine is now being given to 6th grade boys in B.C for free.

CanadiansAreEvil

January 10, 2017
51 upvotes
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-extends-free-hpv-vaccinations-to-grade-6-boys-1.3925212

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Title The HPV vaccine is now being given to 6th grade boys in B.C for free.
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CanadiansAreEvil

Upvotes 51
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Date January 10, 2017 3:30 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're already an adult, you can still protect yourself by getting a prescription and buying it yourself

You're more likely to catch it if you're a "boy in the hood" (uncircumcised), and condoms help but don't prevent 100%

In Canada, Gardasil 9 is about $200, and you need 3 of them over a year. Cervarix is a bit cheaper but Gardasil protects against more strains. There are over 100 strains, and only some cause cancer

There is no test for HPV (at least for men), and ~85% of women will have it at some point in their lives

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I looked up info, it said that if you've had any kind of sexual encounter odds are it won't do anything for you because you already caught it. It's also very expensive for everyone but young girls who get it for free. :C

[–]goodfoobar 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Article

three out of four sexually active people contracting the virus at some point in their lives

provides protection against nine types of HPV

A 75% infection rate sounds bad and protects against 9 HPV types that sounds good.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats14/surv-2014-print.pdf

Human papillomavirus (HPV) is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the United States. Over 40 distinct types can infect the genital tract; about 90% of infections are asymptomatic and resolve spontaneously within two years. However, persistent infection with some HPV types can cause cancer and genital warts.

So the vaccine will only protect against 9/40=22.5% of infections or is 77.5% ineffective. If no treatment is give there is a 90% cure rate. Only about half those people who do not resolve spontaneously will get cancer.

100 sexually active people -> 75 infections over a life time -> 7.5 persistent infections -> 3.75 cases of a treatable form of cancer

100 sexually active people -> 75 infections over a life time -> 58 infections due to vaccine -> 5.8 persistent infections -> 2.9 cases of a treatable form of cancer

The above numbers are assuming a lifetime vaccine protection which is not the case. There is no point in giving it to someone that is too young as the vaccine can wear off before they even become sexually active.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Harper#Questioning_the_safety_and_efficacy_of_HPV_vaccines

Gardasil and Cervarix have only been shown to last for 5 and 9.4 years respectively.

There are pap smears that are considered to have near 100% detection rate which means treatment can be given and the 90% cure rate can go up dramatically. Possibly a throat swab could be developed for males. At best this program is a waste of money and at worst it is harmful due to potential side effects.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The vaccine protects against the cancer-causing ones though in particular HPV-16 and HPV-18. Most of the strains don't cause cancer

[–]goodfoobar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How many types are considered to cause cancer? If there are for example 15 cancer causing HPV types the numbers change below.

100 sexually active people -> 75 infections over a life time -> 28.1 potentially cancer causing -> 2.8 persistent infections -> 1.4 cases of a treatable form of cancer

100 sexually active people -> 75 infections over a life time -> 28.1 potentially cancer causing -> 11.24 potentially cancerous infections due to vaccine -> 1.1 persistent infections -> 0.55 cases of a treatable form of cancer

Again these numbers assume a lifetime vaccine effectiveness which is not the case so the lifetime vaccinated rates would be much closer to the non-vaccinated rate. The numbers are getting low enough that any real benefit from the program is getting hard to see.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"A decade on, vaccine has halved cervical cancer rate"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37211349

[–]goodfoobar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article is talking about cervical cancer rates for Australia. So lets have a look at the Australian rates.

https://cervical-cancer.canceraustralia.gov.au/statistics

In 2012, there were 869 new cases of cervical cancer diagnosed in Australia. In 2016, it is estimated that 903 new cases of cervical cancer will be diagnosed in Australia

This 50% reduction claim over 10 years seams to be highly dubious to me.

Another great thing about this page is stats on the prevalence by age. It looks like cervical cancer does not become even a minor risk until your 20's where the risk jumps from 0.1 per hundred thousand to 1.6 per hundred thousand. That means giving the vaccine to kids in grade 6 is pointless as the vaccine will have worn off before it becomes an actual risk.

[–]HugoBorden 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At best this program is a waste of money and at worst it is harmful due to potential side effects.

HPV vaccination is a complete scam. It’s actually harmful for females; for boys it’s even worse than a scam, it’s an insult to intelligence.

Dr. JULIAN WHITAKER, MD (2012), Gardasil (HPV Vaccine): Fraud in Plain Sight.

https://therefusers.com/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-fraud-in-plain-sight-dr-whitakers-health-and-healing/

[–]eks91 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/04/merck-dr-exposes-gardasil-scandal-ineffective-deadly-profitable/

[–]practeerts -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I was expecting something negative in this, that's a good thing though. An instance where boys and girls health are both being considered and cared for on equal ground.

[–]HugoBorden 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The whole thing is fraudulent. See the article I just posted.

[–]practeerts 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Okay I haven't read any studies specifically about the vaccine myself but what you've linked isn't exactly damning evidence. It looks like a call to arms for anti-vaxxers limited in scope to HPV vaccines specifically, and that in itself is not confidence inspiring.

[–]ZimmermannsHammer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes anti Vaxxers are the true enemy here.

[–]practeerts -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this a second person I'll waste no further time communicating with?

[–]ZimmermannsHammer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I merely pointed out that not Women are the problem but those People (mend women) wich are strictly against vaccines. Once again Matters of Importance are way more complex then male female.

[–]practeerts 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't help but read sarcasm sometimes. Carry on sir.

[–]HugoBorden 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How about this one?

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/07853890.2011.645353 Lucija Tomljenovic (2011), Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine policy and evidence-based medicine: Are they at odds?

For example, while the world's leading medical authorities state that HPV vaccines are an important cervical cancer prevention tool, clinical trials show no evidence that HPV vaccination can protect against cervical cancer.

[–]practeerts 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not in the habit of accepting things on the basis of an abstract, but I'll read that tomorrow sometime. If it's compelling then it's compelling.

[–]jhaun 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I remember when a study came out some 5 years ago when a study linked the strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer to mouth and throat cancers. Once we knew everyone could get cancer from it people started to recommend the shot to boys as well. Why "because they can be a carrier and infect non-vaccinated girls" wasn't good enough in the first place I will probably never know, but at least we are actually making progress now.

[–]practeerts 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There are people who think vaccines are the cause of diseases, so...

[–]HugoBorden 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever read a package insert for any vaccine? Lots of diseases listed there as side effects.

[–]practeerts 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm beginning to think you're an anti-vaxxer. Can you confirm or deny so I know how much time to invest in interacting with you further?

[–]HugoBorden 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pro science. But, yes, I'm vaccine sceptical.

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