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In other breaking news: Water is Wet!

221B_bakerstreet

January 5, 2017
15 upvotes
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http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/biological-male-dominates-womens-cycling-event-in-historic-first/
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Title In other breaking news: Water is Wet!
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221B_bakerstreet

Upvotes 15
Comments 11
Date January 5, 2017 12:04 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5m2vfx/in_other_breaking_news_water_is_wet/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/in-other-breaking-news-water-is-wet.934624
https://theredarchive.com/post/934624

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[–]dk10182 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How dare this article assume that racer's gender

[–]ThatNinaGAL 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She won the race by one second.

If female athletes want to let transgender athletes into their events, then I'm not going to fuss about it. If they want to keep women's evenrs for the XX crowd, on the grounds that everybody who went through puberty as an XY has an unfair advantage, that's fine too. Basically, I could not care less.

[+]221B_bakerstreet points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Won by 1 second, beat third by 22 minutes...check second place for doping.

[–]ElShitLord 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

22 minutes does not mean anything. 1 second does not mean anything. At least not in mass-start races.

This is a mass-start, all genders, all categories event. That is, everyone starts at the same time. In cycling, someone riding in the draft of another rider has to do 15-20% less work than the person out front. So, these two women were able to get themselves into a good breakaway group with a bunch of other (in this case, men) riders. They can then work as a group, sharing the work of being out front. Or, if they were not able to contribute to the pace, they could just sit in the group, taking advantage of the draft without ever actually doing any of the work.

3rd place likely missed out getting into the break and found herself in a group that did not have enough talent to bridge over to the group where #1 and #2 were.

In other words, cycling is not just how much power you can put out, there are lots of tactics as well. You can be a much better rider, and if you miss out getting into the right break, you can lose, and lose by 10s of minutes.

There are women in my club that, if we had a course we had to ride individually, their times would be 10s of minutes slower than me. But, if we start at the same time, and they can get into my draft, they can hang on over the entire course and finish with the same time. Who is the better rider? From a pure power/weight ratio, I guess me, but that does not matter. All that matters is who crossed the line first.

So, in other words, nothing about her/he winning the women's race can really be used to say anything for certain.

[–]Dembara 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A second can be a lot in a race.

But what if they have a genetic defect that causes an abnormal release of testosterone and have XX genes? What if they also happen to have a penis as well? It honestly is something I am split on. There will be the rare cases of females with such defects (or males with the reverse) however, I could see opening it up just opening a can of worms. I would argue that a system like that of chess would be ideal. A league open to everyone and if that league were to become dominated by males, let them create a separate league for women. Though it isn't really that important.

[–]BDMR_lurker 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A biological male who identifies as female [...] has not had sex reassignment surgery.

some 25mins behind the men’s winner;

What are the odds he just wanted a medal? Any medal.

Let women sort this out for themselves, when they get edged out by 'self-identifiers'.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

XD!!!!!

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Andy Kaufman wrestles the ladies

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would be interesting if in the future some poor kid decided he wants to be female world champion and cash in.

[–]thrway_1000 -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/Sk5Bp

[–]SenorTrumper -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop doing that.

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