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These women actually WANT to be raped by this criminal

Kejuriwell

January 3, 2017
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Title These women actually WANT to be raped by this criminal
Author

Kejuriwell

Upvotes 16
Comments 27
Date January 3, 2017 10:54 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5lrcav/these_women_actually_want_to_be_raped_by_this/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/these-women-actually-want-to-be-raped-by-this.934727
https://theredarchive.com/post/934727
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Comments

[–]Dembara 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

And they blame the MRM for "rape culture"...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Rape Culture is a Mythological Theory Created By Gender Studies Classes To Prevent Confession of Perversions and Fantasies of all Shades or Grey.

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

that's why I put it in quotes.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But you failed to Capitalise! P¬))

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

because we have to SMASH THE PATRIACAL CAPITAL!!!!

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I Put that into my GPS and ended up in the middle of the Atlantic. Do you have full directions?

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Go down.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You want me to go down? Where? On him?

[–]Adanu0 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Just goes to prove that it's only harassment if they deem it so, and since we're not mind readers...

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The only good thing that comes out of them being so open with their craziness is you can make note of their faces and avoid them like the lunatics they are. The sad thing is I want to think this is fake, but we know that there are feminists in particular who think like this.

[–]Dis_mah_mobile_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There are faaaaar more women like that than you could memorize

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well to be fair, most of those ones would be easy to deal with, all you'd have to do is slip Trump or the gender pay gap into a conversation with them and if they fly off into a mindless rant you can get the hell out of there before they even notice you're gone.

[–]Dis_mah_mobile_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha true, true.

[–]double-happiness 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/34676-why-are-women-attracted-to-bad-boys/

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201204/why-do-women-fall-serial-killers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/12171121/Women-attracted-to-dark-and-brooding-men-because-they-want-to-find-a-mate.html

For balance, one should point out that at least one of the three 'ladies' shown in the OP is bound to be a troll.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean?

[–]double-happiness 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What, by 'one should point out that at least one of the three 'ladies' shown in the OP is bound to be a troll'?

A fair number of twitter accounts are trolls, are they not?

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I see. It's just an estimate? Ok. Fair enough.

[–]RobDog101 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you keep your eyes and ears open you'll find stuff like this to be very instructive regarding female nature.

[–]InBaggingArea 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

These tweets could be construed as not entirely serious, but I'm starting to think there may be a serious issue behind this, because, although I have never really understood these things, there are some women who, for whatever reason, like the idea and even the actuality of being raped and will go looking for it.

Where did this come from? Why?

It begins to explain a few things with regard to the problems feminism has been having in policing rape culture.

Why the difficulty getting women to report rape to the police? Why the sense of guilt, or is it shame, some women seem to have?

Perhaps some women prefer to act timid around men and enjoy being subdued. They will acknowledge the huge risks involved in being raped but will nevertheless seek out the thrill of losing control.

This is not something I've thought much about before and it's not something I would have acknowledged myself, but I am beginning to suspect it throws current feminist thinking about rape into even deeper disarray than I previously thought.

The possibility that some women may actually want to be raped is something that feminism has always been at pains to deny. But why the need to so strenuously deny something so plausible, yet at the same time, upon a closer examination of the darker side of human nature, perhaps true? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Why do so many women have rape fantasies, as first emerged to public view with the publication off "My Secret Garden" some decades ago? Feminists celebrated this groundbreaking work in anthropology as a landmark that established women's sexuality and sexual agency. No longer were women the mere objects of male sexual desire, lying back and thinking of England.

The problem of rape fantasy, initially so shocking and problematic for feminism, was finally dismissed as just that: a mere fantasy that no woman could actually want to happen because of the loss of control it entails.

But is this enough? Do those women who fantasize about rape really not want, at least in part, what they fantasize? If they do, there is a terrible dilemma about the culpability of those men who effectively give them what they want.

It is perhaps something like this that these tweets really are pointing at. "Bad" girls rejecting feminist policing of sexuality and now coming out as wanting to be raped, even at the same time as paradoxically wanting some control in who rapes them.

I don't think even the MRM has really got to grips with this, preferring not to tackle feminism head on in this way, but instead to emphasize male victimhood in rape as well, including the initially surprising fact that men can be raped by women, and explaining the body's response as purely physiological.

I'm not doubting the merit in this way of arguing against feminism on this issue, but I don't think it's the whole story. Why, for example, don't men fantasize about being raped? Their fantasies are more likely to entail unrestricted access to women than loss of control.

TLDR: This is more than just humour. It seems some women not only fantasize about rape but seek it out in reality. Feminism has always denied this dark side of women's nature. If true, it throws up huge paradoxes about the culpability of the men involved.

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It is a common fantasy for both women and men. The feeling of having someone else in control can be gratifying. However, when women are told that such thoughts are patriarchal, rather than natural fantasies that should remain fantasy. They repress their fantasies and become more bitter.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you have evidence it's a fantasy for men? Has anyone researched this. Do publishers make big bucks out of selling swept-off-their feet fantasies to men?

But more than just fantasies, so far as I can tell, some women actually go out seeking and hoping to be raped; they call it rape baiting. I really can't think men would do this. Maybe in the gay world, but certainly not in the straight one.

No. I'm afraid symmetry doesn't work here. It would be nice, but as with do much else to do with sex, it just doesn't. Our underlying biology sees to that. The correlate fantasy for men is committing rape. Men do fantasize and practise that. Sorry.

The idea of loss of control is perhaps rather different. Dominatrix stuff. Is that what you're thinking? Certainly some me like to be dominated.

Is that on the rape fantasy spectrum? I don't know. I'm a total novitiate. There ought to be the possibility of doing psychological research, though, and publishing, for idiots like me. You got anything? It's no God just saying "I know".

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I meant in terms of loss of control, yes. Which I've heard argued is the reason women have rape fantasies.

Here is a pretty good study on it. (found a version not behind a paywall).

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The full version isn't there (I don't think) but it gives a good sense of how a variety of fantasies are observed in both genders.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. Taking a look now.

And what about women actually going out seeking to get raped? Do you believe that actually happens? And wouldn't that present more than a small problem for feminist thinking in rape?

Surely heterosexual men don't? Things don't seem to be capable of being construed symmetrically.

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think they are symmetrical. Just not dissimilar. I would not be surprised if some women do, I doubt they'd report rape, though. There also was a case where a woman roofied a bunch of guys (on different occasions) tied them down and raped them. One told the press that he wasn't going to push for charges and "only wished [he] was awake"

[–]AVAtistar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing new here. there are women on craiglist looking for stranger to fullfil their rape fanticies.

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