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Suicide and silence: why depressed men are dying for somebody to talk to | Society

karlstraw

November 19, 2016
44 upvotes
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/15/suicide-silence-depressed-men?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Title Suicide and silence: why depressed men are dying for somebody to talk to | Society
Author

karlstraw

Upvotes 44
Comments 15
Date November 19, 2016 5:31 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5dthja/suicide_and_silence_why_depressed_men_are_dying/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Women are actually more likely to suffer from depression, but more likely to seek help when they encounter trouble. The uncomfortable truth is that stereotypical forms of masculinity – stiff upper lips, "laddishness" – are killing men.

"Asking for help is seen as an affront to masculinity," says the writer Laurie Penny, who has extensively researched mental health issues and written about her own experiences. "This is deeply, deeply troubling, because it means when you're taking that first step when you're suffering a mental health difficulty, reaching out for help is made doubly hard. The rules of masculinity prevent you from asking for help or talking about feelings."

real issues that men face. not the other crap of not being allowed to be with underage girls freely. I know a few men who suffer from depression, one who gets therapy. I believe women seeking help because they are allowed. Men aren't allowed to seek help. I know men who self have self medicated their depression and I know more boys/men who have killed themselves. it's heartbreaking that we make men feel like that suicide is the only answer. :(

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Psychologists and social workers only have a gynocentric perspective on life and have no idea of the problems men face so seeking help from them is useless and isolating.

An old red pill man or grandpa type might be of more use than someone with a university degree.

[–]crankypants15 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I hope you can find a better therapist that understands men's issues.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Psychologists and social workers only have a gynocentric perspective on life

false and there are male social workers, therapists psychiatrists and psychologists.

and have no idea of the problems men face so seeking help from them is useless and isolating.

more falsehood. fools like you are the reason men kill themselves at a higher rate. I know men who have gone or go to therapy. they have helped. trained professionals can help.

An old red pill man or grandpa type might be of more use than someone with a university degree.

no, a trained professional is the best option. besides if the depression requires medications (usually moderate to severe depression do) them they need a doctor to prescribe them that. you trying to shame men into seeking actual help you are a part of the problem. 

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I personally like ACT, Acceptance and Commitment Theapy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

never heard of it, looked it up it looks interesting. anything that helps someone is good. :)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"I don't keep quiet about my problems because of some stupid ideas about having to be strong and silent, I keep quiet about my problems because nobody will help me. But let's have another article how men's suffering is men's fault because they won't speeak up about it, please!"

I did open up about my mental health. So brave, right? speaking up, defying so much toxic masculinity you guys, I talked about my problems with many people, I talked until I was blue in the face! My family sees me as barely human. No friends call anymore. Girlfriend turned into somebody else overnight, then faded away.

[–]Returnofthemack3 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah, it's such hilariously bad advice. With women it's absolutey brutal. That's what fuckheads like Laurie Penny always fail to mention whilst spouting their rhetoric-women will despise you and put you at arms length or worse if you express these things. I've seen exceptions but it's usually the death knells of female interest in my experience

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if this helps but it's important to realise the differences between men and women.

Women judge us by all their little rules and criterias.

Women don't have the same challenges as we do because they aren't isolated by society or judged on performance.

Once you can look at the good that is in you and in other men, it's a bit more liberating.

[–]thrway_1000 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/C6C65

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What part of the "rules of femininity" prevent them from seeking help to avoid them attempting suicide more often than men? Oh, that'll be patriarchy.

[–]ThirdTurnip 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Is it biologically set in stone that men take their own lives – or is it cultural?" Powell asks. "If you look at how the suicide rates have changed, how they go up and down, you can see that it's cultural – it's about what we expect."

Also the fact that there are differences in this ratio between countries.

http://www.who.int/gho/mental_health/Mental_Health_011.jpg

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