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Gayle Newland appeal: Woman jailed for tricking friend into sex by pretending to be man set to appear in court

Myfeelzarespecial

October 13, 2016
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gayle-newland-appeal-woman-jailed-tricking-friend-sex-pretending-man-appear-court-cheshire-london-a7357466.html?cmpid=facebook-post
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Title Gayle Newland appeal: Woman jailed for tricking friend into sex by pretending to be man set to appear in court
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Myfeelzarespecial

Upvotes 9
Comments 27
Date October 13, 2016 2:05 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]AlwaysABride 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The 25-year-old convinced her friend she was a man by putting on a deep voice and using a blindfold across a dozen sexual encounters during a two-year relationship.

I remember when this was originally in the news. I can't believe she actually got convicted. The "victim" clearly consented to the sexual acts and (at least in the US) that is all that matters. If the sex was consensual, no laws were broken.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This just feels wrong. Did the "victim" never touch the "penis"? Did she never put her hands on her partner's hips, chest, or skin and think, "Hmm, something not right here?"

You have to wonder if she just didn't want to admit she was gay.

[–]aokusman 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah no way someone get get tricked like this. How could you not be suspicious when asked to wear a blindfold. I don't believe this story. The victim lied.

[–]RunawayGrain 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, read the Gayle woman's side of things, the other girl knew all about it and the mask was a fetish they had. It actually makes a whole lot more sense than the weird fake facebook/mask/ fake boyfriend story.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is way more fucking believable. This conviction is fucking wrong.

[–]monty93 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Reading the title, I thought she just tricker her to get nude and eventually, get caught without sex. But no, she actually tricked her for 2 years, blindfolding her. That's all the closest you can get to rape, trick someone to consent. The 8 years to jail seems fair.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

What?!?! Strongly disagree. How is this different than "these tits are real, honestly!" You cannot retract consent after the fact.

[–]monty93 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link

Lying about your gender is quite a bigger deal than lying about implants, fake boobs are still boobs, and she is still the same person you gave consent, however if you give consent to a man, but he is actually a she, she is not the person you gave consent anymore. Hiding you are trans is the fair comparison.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

You cannot revoke consent after the fact, period. That's pretty much the definition of consent. This is not sexual assault or rape. If anything this is some kind of fraud.

[–]Dabookittty 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can retract consent after the fact, even with sex. Partner does not advise or lies about being HIV+...yes the consent given at the time is void.

Misrepresentation is Fraud. And Fraud is a crime.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Partner does not advise or lies about being HIV+...yes the consent given at the time is void.

Not for the purposes of determining rape, it's not.

[–]heimdahl81 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

She consented to sex with a man, not a woman. Think of it like the twin swap scenario. You agree to have sex with twin A, twin B takes their place without you realizing it, then twin B raped you. You consented to sex, but under conditions that were a lie and had you known you would not have consented.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, still not rape. It's a different crime. A similar example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV

[–]heimdahl81 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Still not rape. Accordingly, punishment far less severe.

[–]heimdahl81 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Legally it depends on where you are. Some places it is indeed charged as rape, others it is not, and some places never use the word rape in any law (e.g. sexual assault ).

If you are talking morally only, I would still disagree. Consent is not unlimited. You consent to certain circumstances and not to others. The woman in this case did not consent to sex with another woman.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Some places it is indeed charged as rape

? where? And what sentence is given compared to the mean rape sentence?

EDIT: there is a slippery slope here. This is the dumbing down of rape. It shouldn't even be called rape by deception. It should be called fraud. A huge number of alleged sexual assaults reported in college are likely exactly this. "I didn't agree to have sex with an asshole who said he'd call me the next day but didn't."

[–]monty93 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The way we name it isn't that important to me as how ethical it is.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Your feeeelings do not matter. This is the law. It's not rape.

[–]monty93 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feelings? Call it fraud if you want, fraud is still illegal.

[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Then please stop this rape bullshit.

[–]monty93 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I said close to. Never said it was rape. I'm not responsible of what you understand.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am 100% in agreement with you. 8 years for consentual sex is fucking stupid, I know a woman who killed someone who got less time. I hope she wins the appeal.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. This woman is being punished because her friend is an idiot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was jailed in November, but the conviction and prison term sparked outrage among supporters. A petition to reduce the sentence was signed by around 1,500 people.

[–]MonkeysDontEvolve 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This doesn't add up at all. How do you have a relationship with someone for two years blindfolded at all times?

[–]functionalsociopathy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just when i think the law in Britain can't possibly get any dumber.. how does shit like this even wind up in court? "My partner lied to me your honor. that's literally rape."

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