In my late twenties, been studying red-pill throughout most of them.

I'm a natural 6.5, 7.5 when looks maxed out.

I got my first 9 when I was 24. She was very into me. It was easy for me to maintain frame as I was spinning a few plates at the time (abundance mentality is like PEDs for frame). She was the hottest among her friends. She told me quite often that her friend's reactions to seeing pics of me were of surprise/disappointment. "I just always thought you'd end up with a male model or something..."

My hamster at the time just told me that those girls viewed this chick as a goddess, and to see a pic of a non-photogenic 6.5 was a huge punch in the gut for them. "If this goddess can't get Brad Pitt...can I only expect Quasimodo?"

I still feel this holds at least some weight.

Also, keep in mind that I was broke and part-time working at this time. I use to ask that she split checks with me. She definitely wasn't in it for the money. There is no way she saw me as betabux.

Fast forward to present day. I've been dating this black chick that's a 9 as well. Her face is a 10. Like Beyonce quaility. While her body is thick. Which hurts her overall, but obviously not for black guys. I am white.

Her friends and family, especially WOMEN, tell her that I am not good looking enough for her after we've met.

Obviously I can take this as I've done pretty well with frame and RedPill philosophy. But I can't shake the feeling that this must bring me down a peg with these hot chicks constantly being fed this from other women. They are actively telling her I'm ugly essentially. I know I'd feel bad if guys kept telling me that about my girl.

Should I just give up on dating 8.5+?

Is there a limit at which pre-selection doesn't work because people will just assume they are dating me for the money?

Seems women have an ability to hamster away the positive effects of pre-selection. "Melania is just with Donald for the money, so it doesn't count."

Her family actually thinks she is with me for money and I don't give her a dime. And I'm not even that rich anyway. Working on that too.