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Saudi want to end male guardianship - Without losing their financial privilege of having a wage slave.

TheRavenousRabbit

September 2, 2016
5 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-women-launch-twitter-campaign-demanding-end-male-guardianship-1574537
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Title Saudi want to end male guardianship - Without losing their financial privilege of having a wage slave.
Author

TheRavenousRabbit

Upvotes 5
Comments 22
Date September 2, 2016 11:24 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/50sqk2/saudi_want_to_end_male_guardianship_without/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I mean, we should definitely end male guardianship, shit like this is why mra's are not taken seriously.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're the idiot. What is being said is that they should end male guardianship, but they should end it entirely, not just the woman's obligations.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ahh I see, insults, a truly inspiring argument. The reality is that Saudi Arabia has the deck so stacked against women that they are not even allowed to have decent paying jobs. They can not drive, they can not go out alone they have ZERO freedoms. You are arguing that for them to be granted the freedom of movement that they have to pay up. Sure sounds like "Slave if you want free then you will have to buy your freedom!"

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not sure how you twisted it that far, but in an equal society, yes, they should pay their own fucking way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you are saying Saudi Arabia is an equal society?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ending male guardianship is a good step towards that, but only if they end both people's obligations, otherwise it's only removing the half of male guardianship that the women don't like

[–]TheRavenousRabbit[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You clearly don't understand.

You can't remove male guardianship without also removing the responsibility on the male to take care of his female relatives. This simply comes down to what you "prefer".

Do you want to live your entire life without having to worry about money or work? Good, but you won't have any freedom.

Do you want to work, earn money and have all the freedoms? Good, but you're going to have to be liable and responsible for your 3 siblings and your wife.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ohh bo fucking hoo. You are advocating that women should be slaves and not allowed to go in public because there is not a boy around. Honestly, go get fucked with a rusted spiked dildo.

[–]TheRavenousRabbit[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm advocating that women should be allowed to walk outside without a male escort AND THAT MEN SHOULDN'T BE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO SERVE THEM AS A WAGE SLAVE.

Are you incapable for reading?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I 100% am, but unfortunately this is also a country that does not allow women to hold jobs. They should at the very least be allowed to come and go as they please AND divorce and fuck who they want.

[–]dungone 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are allowed to hold jobs and are doing so in record numbers.

[–]Jugalotus_lol 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the few places that actually has oppressive female living conditions. We should send out feminists their to help out.

[–]BDMR_lurker 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Rights are earned by duties.

Benefit of doubt: the article doesn't specify that these women do not want to pay their own way.

[–]TheRavenousRabbit[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, you believe these women will willingly lose their wage slaves? Please. They'll fight for that right with tooth and claw.

[–]Fantom909 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What are you even basing this on, what you THINK will happen? Are you kidding with this?

[–]civilsaint 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Saudi is one place where I think feminism is necessary.

Feminists in the West are fighting for make guardianship to chaperone them when they do dumb things.

[–]TheRavenousRabbit[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely. However, you can't remove the oppression of the female gender and keep the oppression of the male gender. It's pretty plain that you NEED to change the laws surrounding male responsibility for his female relatives. Until that is addressed, the guardianship won't budge.

[–]Sasha_ 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know, I'm not 100% sure about that. This is Saudi Arabia we're talking about. It has baking temperatures and the strictest Muslim culture of any nation. In a strict religious monarchy, what exactly are you voting for?

[–]Fantom909 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jesus fuck, I get why people hate this subreddit... Way. To. Go.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, the best part is that these neckbeards are just jaded as fuck and have a hard time dealing with reality. Meanwhile there are those of us who sit in the middle getting fucked by both sides of the idiot train! WOOOOO

[–]TheRavenousRabbit[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I apologize that you don't agree with the sentiment but if you actually understood Saudi law, you would understand why that change wouldn't help much.

[–]Saintmyname 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If only our feminists actually got off their fat asses and proactively aided the needy.

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