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Afrika Bambaataa Accused of Child Molestation

Leinadro

May 13, 2016
8 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2016/03/afrika-bambaataa-accused-of-child-molestation-by-bronx-politician/
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Title Afrika Bambaataa Accused of Child Molestation
Author

Leinadro

Upvotes 8
Comments 11
Date May 13, 2016 1:43 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4j6dfd/afrika_bambaataa_accused_of_child_molestation/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/afrika-bambaataa-accused-of-child-molestation.949661
https://theredarchive.com/post/949661
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[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Leinadro[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hand thought of that.

The Zulu Nation has already distanced themselves from him.

I think that shows having a position of power doesnt make you immune.

And frankly I think the only reason he isnt facing charges is because this story is coming long after the statute of limitations (unlike say Cosby where the statute had not run out on some of the accusations he faced).

And I feel that if he were still actively making music there would he calls for his label to drop him and for concert venues to drop his performances.

[–]Leinadro[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I dont think this has been brought up here so I was curious what everyone was thinking about it. To me it seems like a case of someone who may have been abused but we may never know the full story because it happened so long ago (like 30 years ago).

I know it would be easy to compare this to the accusations against Cosby (or other female victims) but lets not waste time on that.

But what comes to mind for me reconciling victims speaking up about past abuse long after it took place with the fact for a lot of male abuse victims that is the closet thing they will to having closure.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist[M] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The link to this as a MR Issue is an extremely tenuous one. it raises awareness of molestation in boys, but it also fails to establish a clear rights issue, and fails to establish guilt or blame, and is simply an accusation. usually we would remove and ask you self post to explain.

Since i know little about this, Can you give a write up of how this qualifies as a MR issue?

[–]Leinadro[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think it qualifies because:

The fact that the victim is male. Male victims often have a hard time being heard when they speak up but while thankfully it doesnt seem to be the case here I think its worth bringing up so as not to let the idea fly that bringing up abuse isnt something that only female victims go through.

And while exact guilt or blame will be nearly impossible to establish I dont think the mrm should get set in a way where if a case isnt a slam dunk (guilty or innocent) its not worth talking about.

Also while not to act like a feminist about it I think that it is worth questioning why this is not getting the same attention or heated debate as when women speak up about abuse that happened decades ago. Hell its not even getting the same attention as male victims that speak up about past abuse they suffered in the Church.

Finally while it would be difficult to punish the accused even if statute of limitations hadnt run out there is still a question of how to go about helping this if the abuse did happen.

I dont want this story to go unnoticed by the mrm. And I find it a bit odd that this post is questioned for not being about rights when we get posts that are nothing more than, "If this were gender swapped we know the outcome would be different" or "This woman committed a horrible crime!" in here all the time with no question.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I dont want this story to go unnoticed by the mrm. And I find it a bit odd that this post is questioned for not being about rights when we get posts that are nothing more than, "If this were gender swapped we know the outcome would be different" or "This woman committed a horrible crime!" in here all the time with no question.

i can assure you that i am personally responsible for assassinating these kinds of posts whenever i see them. I literally just killed one within the last ten minutes, and theres a gigantic meta thread cooking about me killing those kinds of posts and pissing people off.

Thank you for giving a write up on it- again its not a case i am familiar with, and i pretty much live on the MRM Boards, and felt it needed more background intel from someone more versed on the case.

And while exact guilt or blame will be nearly impossible to establish I dont think the mrm should get set in a way where if a case isnt a slam dunk (guilty or innocent) its not worth talking about.

I agree that there is always merit in discussion, so far as that discussion doesn't lead to a preconceived guilt that pervades the topic and corrupts the presumption of innocence. as tragic as a boy being molested is, an accusation can only be an accusation until it is substantiated in court. its the same mentality we hold when viewing rape cases.

Again thanks for this- dont think it was an attempt to censor you; we just have requirements for posts that are of questionable content and i have to enforce them uniformly. Normally i'd have asked you to self post, but you had already begun to explain your point, and that is the entire reason we ask for self posts on non-self evident topics.

[–]Leinadro[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

i can assure you that i am personally responsible for assassinating these kinds of posts whenever i see them. I literally just killed one within the last ten minutes, and theres a gigantic meta thread cooking about me killing those kinds of posts and pissing people off.

Yeah and Im sure you mods have so many posts and comments to go through. Thanks for the effort.

I think those kinds of posts are pretty much rage bait. They bring a valid point but it seems those posts written just to give an excuse to be angry foe the sake of being angry or getting a buzz out of talking mean about somebody.

Thank you for giving a write up on it- again its not a case i am familiar with, and i pretty much live on the MRM Boards, and felt it needed more background intel from someone more versed on the case.

I wont claim to be well versed in the case but I hope that by mentioning here it will encourage others to look into it. I wont even claim that that particular link is a best source foe the story and mainly chose it because it wasnt a site like Guardian which would draw more, "ugh use Archive!" comments than about the story itself.

I agree that there is always merit in discussion, so far as that discussion doesn't lead to a preconceived guilt that pervades the topic and corrupts the presumption of innocence. as tragic as a boy being molested is, an accusation can only be an accusation until it is substantiated in court. its the same mentality we hold when viewing rape cases.

I can undersrand that view point but to be fair though. That view point doesnt stop the mass of posts about Cosby or Ghomeshi (in sure that is spelled wrong).

I dont want this to become a place where a case is only talked about where guilt or innocence can be proven beyond any doubt.

Again thanks for this- dont think it was an attempt to censor you;

I understand. You have a forum to run.

we just have requirements for posts that are of questionable content and i have to enforce them uniformly.

I dig.

Normally i'd have asked you to self post, but you had already begun to explain your point, and that is the entire reason we ask for self posts on non-self evident topics.

Ill keep that in mind to self post next time.

Thanks.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I can undersrand that view point but to be fair though. That view point doesnt stop the mass of posts about Cosby or Ghomeshi (in sure that is spelled wrong). I dont want this to become a place where a case is only talked about where guilt or innocence can be proven beyond any doubt.

do you want this to become a place like the massive potsts about how they are guilty despite still not having been convicted? its why we require a standard of proof. we dont want to degrade into a cesspool where lies and false information are ok. that being said, we welcome and encourage discussion and speculation about it- but frown on Public court guilty/innocent verdicts.

[–]Leinadro[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good point.

I don't want this place to become a cesspool as you say.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

again discussion on guilt or innocence is more than welcome, we just cant allow headlines like this. (not saying that you did or anything, just an example lol)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

he did it. go on youtube and check out shot97. about 5 allegations and they are all very consistent,also the rumors have been going around for decades in the bronx,even his body guard tried to have something done but the zulu nation didnt want the stain and embarrasment. even someof the closest people to him came out and spoke about it. bam is a cereal pedophile

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