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UK: Adults to get the legal right to choose if they are a man or a woman as new law will end tortuous process to change gender

TR6Cool

January 3, 2016
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/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3382626/Adults-legal-right-choose-gender.html
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Title UK: Adults to get the legal right to choose if they are a man or a woman as new law will end tortuous process to change gender
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TR6Cool

Upvotes 6
Comments 5
Date January 3, 2016 3:25 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3za4do/uk_adults_to_get_the_legal_right_to_choose_if/
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Comments

[–]DavidByron2 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not clear if what they are saying is true as the text contradicts it somewhat.

Transgender men and women are to be given the right to choose their legal gender

But the whole point is that if they have to prove first that they ARE transgender then that is not a right at all. In fact that sentence describes the status quo. You have this right but only if you can prove you are transgender by jumping through hoops.

The alternative ought to be described simply as, "people are to be given the right to choose their legal gender"

In particular the question arises whether someone could opt to be a woman for official purposes when they had no identity as anything other than their birth sex. I can see men opting to be treated as women officially for a lot of reasons and I would think that even the suggestion that this might happen would be enough to derail this law. So the question remains, do you have a right to change sex like you'd change your name on a whim and without having to give a reason (or rather better since i don't think you do have a right to change your name)?

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The alternative ought to be described simply as, "people are to be given the right to choose their legal gender"

But it's the dailymail, the more "liberals are so damn crazy, look how they'll let men into the women's bathrooms!" it sounds, the better. Just like Huff Po will put a pro-female feminist spin on everything.

[–]azazelcrowley 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

While i'm supportive of allowing people to simply determine their legal gender in order to assist trans people, i'm also supportive of it for the reasons you state here, in that it would act as a method by which members of a particular gender who get sick of sexist institutions can throw a spanner in the works.

If our institutions treat us equally, the number of people changing their gender will be equal to the number of trans people, if that is not the case, we'll see large numbers of people switching over time until it becomes too obvious to ignore.

Allowing people the option to easily and simply change their legal gender has many benefits. We should be supporting it as MRAs and as pro-trans people.

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But it would lead to people saying to real trans women, oh you're just one of those MRA guys who wants a free drink or a dead beat that doesn't want to pay for his own kids.

[–]azazelcrowley 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's mostly unavoidable and already occurs to varying degrees. I know quite a few trans women who have realized that they will never be treated equally or as women until the MRM has its victory. There are many people who view them as men shirking their responsibilities, or engaging in activities a man is not allowed to.

I expect this would lead to more transwomen coming to that realization. Of those that don't, fuck em. We'll fix the problem they're suffering from by getting people to cut that shit out, but not for them.

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