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"Russian social media seethes as BBC describes Soviet WWII monument as 'memorial to unknown rapist'"

jamminnummeruno

November 23, 2015

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Title	"Russian social media seethes as BBC describes Soviet WWII monument as 'memorial to unknown rapist'"
Author	jamminnummeruno
Upvotes	29
Comments	29
Date	November 23, 2015 9:27 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3tx9v1/russian_social_media_seethes_as_bbc_describes/
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Fascists never gassed anybody. They were not nice people but they never gassed anybody. Nazis did.

Ironically, Churchill actually supported the use of chemical weapons on Iraqi civilians during the 20's. "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes" - Churchill

What turns peace loving men into killing and raping hordes

Not democracy, fortunately

Sorry, but the idea that Western democracies don't have a history of mass slaughter and even genocide is simply false. Even conservative historians admit this. They may attempt to justify it but they admit it.

Recommended reading, from a former state department official:

Killing Hope

http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope/

Documentaries:

The War on Democracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeHzc1h8k7o

The Power Principle

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/power-principle/

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You're naive if you really think that these studies are neutral.

How many civilian have been declared "resisting enemies" and killed, just because the involved soldiers where in the mood to kill some enemies? That of course goes for any war, not just WW2, and also for any country.

How many soldiers raised the white flag and where killed and not documented?

War is always a mess and there is never enough information to reconstruct what really happend. But in american movies, there is the american hero that comes to save everyone.

One example that just stood out:

Wiki: "It has been claimed that some U.S. soldiers raped Okinawan women during the Battle of Okinawa in 1945"

Of course there has been rape, there are always rapes in war. To be honest, US soldiers that are stationed in Japan still rape japanese women annually. The formulation of that sentence is almost cynical.

Remember: History is not scientific enough and therefore it shouldn't be trusted too much.

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I believe in primary sources and I accept the inevitable fact that some things remain unknown.

Drawing conclusions from incomplete data leads to errors, unless we use probability, then we can say some things. But we don't even have enough data to get any probability from it. That means history is just a bunch of stories with a core of truth and a lot of decoration.

In what way were Stalins hordes less immoral than Hitlers? Do you mean the concentration camps? Because most people in Hitlers "hordes" didn't know much about it. Even if they heard things, they might have not believed it. Most people in Nazi German where not more immoral then you and me, it was only a few.

People from all sides have never been just evil or just good, any such view has always later been unmasked as propaganda.

No one sees himself as evil. I'm pretty sure that Hitler didn't think he was evil.

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Exactly, it's a well known fact although Russians don't want to acknowledge it because they want to own the "heroic" narrative of "the great patriotic war" and use it as propaganda. They were THE Soviets, they seem to say.

A documentary mentioned the mass rapes a few week ago on TV. My wife speculated that Stalin et co gave the soldiers the permission to rape as a "gift", something to wait for and give them guts to carry on.

I found the explanation repulsive. Could it be that masses of men really could consider raping a gift, something to wait for? So, I said that perhaps it was rather a revenge and a strategy, a way to strip the enemy of their fighting will, make them escape (as they did) towards the western allies.

Then again ...

It's a disturbing idea. In Wehrmacht many learned to love killing. In the Red Army they they were taught to love raping?

Those heroes ...