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"Women wake up in strange flat after nights out to find they had been raped". Neither remember their night out, but admit was very late & drink was involved. How do they KNOW it was rape, not consensual sex with equally drunk men? Is 'rape culture' myth poisoning minds causing bias & assumptions?

Rethgil

September 24, 2015
12 upvotes
/r/MensRights

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/13781797.Two_women_wake_up_in_strange_flat_after_nights_out_to_find_they_had_been_raped/

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Title "Women wake up in strange flat after nights out to find they had been raped". Neither remember their night out, but admit was very late & drink was involved. How do they KNOW it was rape, not consensual sex with equally drunk men? Is 'rape culture' myth poisoning minds causing bias & assumptions?
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Rethgil

Upvotes 12
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Date September 24, 2015 8:34 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]DavidByron2 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is encouraging a witch hunt based on false rape accusations. They are pushing for a definition of rape that means women are raped even if they consented, as long as the women want to feel bad about the sex afterwards. The last time feminism managed to pull this off in the USA was back in the early 20th century, but this is already the case in India for example.

Feminists believe all sex between a man and a woman is rape by the man ("all men are rapists") and they push for laws and punishments for "rapists" on that basis, while denying a woman can ever rape a man.

[–]pnw_diver 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is trying to define consensual sex while drunk as "rape" if the female participant for whatever reason wishes it so the morning after. And while being drunk removes a woman's responsibility for sex, the same condition of intoxication does not remove a man's responsibilities for sex. In essence, feminists think that drunk women are in the position of being unaccountable, defenseless children, and the expectation is that men step in to the role of responsibility and accountability for anything that might happen.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is trying to define consensual sex while drunk as "rape" if the female participant for whatever reason wishes it so the morning after

Might as well get ahead of the game and start tossing all the ugly and average dudes in jail

[–]DavidByron2 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well it's not just "while drunk" they really want all sex between a man and a woman to be defined as rape if the woman didn't like it or for any other reason wants to bring charges.

[–]pnw_diver 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. They want a magic wand given to women only that gives them total power over men without any accountability whatsoever. In other words, subjugation.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They've already done that with so-called "sexual harassment" of course.

[–]pnw_diver 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are correct. Feminists try to create a culture of pervasive victimhood and shame-tripping, and then exploit people's natural sympathy to get power and privilege for themselves without any accountability.

[–]td9red 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gonna wait until you get drunk and ask for your car keys. If you give em to me its not stealing, it my car now...

[–]tiqr 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Part of it stems from fear of date rape drugs. Many people wake up in their beds the next morning after a crazy night, and assume they drank too much but don't remember how they got home. But if you wake up in a stranger's bed, the fear is that you didn't drink too much, but were drugged.

That's the problem of being blackout drunk. You're fully conscious at the time, but you have no memory afterwards. You don't know if you were a willing participant or unconscious.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So commit a crime against the nearest man. Problem solved if you can ruin your victims life.

[–]pnw_diver 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ignore tiqr. He is a feminist troll who haunts this sub.

[–]pnw_diver 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

So you presume a crime (drugging) in the absence of any evidence, and ignore the simpler conclusion (someone had too much to drink and got wild, and now regrets it). That's some reasoning capacity you've developed there, bud. You ought to be proud.

How about "Don't get blackout drunk with strange men who are drinking also." I know that implies accountability, and self-responsibility, but even a feminist is capable of that ultimately.

[–]aussietoads 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

" I know that implies accountability, and self-responsibility, but even a feminist is capable of that ultimately."

LOL. Citations please.

[–]tiqr 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am attempting to describe the emotional state of a woman waking up after being black out drunk. I am not endorsing the reasoning. I am talking about fear.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Date drugging is just another hysteria.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2c1t19/heres_a_list_of_links_proving_roofies_drink/

[–]suicidal_with_HIV 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

easy: promiscuous women do not see themselves as such. When they are really drunk their promiscuity is at the highest. When they wake up sober it is at the lowest.

Basically go to bed a drunk slut gangbanging whore and wake up a poor victimized church going abstinent angel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

did any of you even read the article?

two people, complete strangers to each other, woke up in strange places suffering with what appears to be withdrawal symptoms from a date rape drug. taking the facts at face value, it is difficult to argue that a rape did not take place.

[–]aussietoads 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

" appears to be withdrawal symptoms from a date rape drug"

You mean a massive hangover from a night on the piss.

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The police test these people. It's almost never drugging. It's another feminist hysteria.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2c1t19/heres_a_list_of_links_proving_roofies_drink/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll accept that. I stand corrected.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well noone knows what happened in this case. It's just wise to be sceptical.

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