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Law requiring universities in NY state to adopt a uniform sexual consent policy requiring continuous, revocable affirmative communication was signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo on Tues.

tectonic9

July 8, 2015
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/r/MensRights
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/07/us-usa-new-york-sexcrimes-college-idUSKCN0PH23Y20150707
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Title Law requiring universities in NY state to adopt a uniform sexual consent policy requiring continuous, revocable affirmative communication was signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo on Tues.
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tectonic9

Upvotes 11
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Date July 8, 2015 7:38 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit is just begging to go to the SCOTUS

[–]tectonic9[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=S05965&term=2015&Summary=Y&Votes=Y&Text=Y

Relevant section:
AFFIRMATIVE CONSENT TO SEXUAL ACTIVITY.
1. EVERY INSTITUTION SHALL ADOPT THE FOLLOWING DEFINITION OF AFFIRMATIVE CONSENT AS PART OF ITS CODE OF CONDUCT: "AFFIRMATIVE CONSENT IS A KNOWING, VOLUNTARY, AND MUTUAL DECISION AMONG ALL PARTICIPANTS TO ENGAGE IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY. CONSENT CAN BE GIVEN BY WORDS OR ACTIONS, AS LONG AS THOSE WORDS OR ACTIONS CREATE CLEAR PERMISSION REGARDING WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE IN THE SEXUAL ACTIVITY. SILENCE OR LACK OF RESISTANCE, IN AND OF ITSELF, DOES NOT DEMONSTRATE CONSENT. THE DEFINITION OF CONSENT DOES NOT VARY BASED UPON A PARTICIPANT'S SEX, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY, OR GENDER EXPRESSION."

EACH INSTITUTION'S CODE OF CONDUCT SHALL REFLECT THE FOLLOWING PRINCIPLES AS GUIDANCE FOR THE INSTITUTION'S COMMUNITY:

  • A. CONSENT TO ANY SEXUAL ACT OR PRIOR CONSENSUAL SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN OR WITH ANY PARTY DOES NOT NECESSARILY CONSTITUTE CONSENT TO ANY OTHER SEXUAL ACT.

  • B. CONSENT IS REQUIRED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE PERSON INITIATING THE ACT IS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF DRUGS AND/OR ALCOHOL.

  • C. CONSENT MAY BE INITIALLY GIVEN BUT WITHDRAWN AT ANY TIME.

  • D. CONSENT CANNOT BE GIVEN WHEN A PERSON IS INCAPACITATED, WHICH OCCURS WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL LACKS THE ABILITY TO KNOWINGLY CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY. INCAPACITATION MAY BE CAUSED BY THE LACK OF CONSCIOUSNESS OR BEING ASLEEP, BEING INVOLUNTARILY RESTRAINED, OR IF AN INDIVIDUAL OTHERWISE CANNOT CONSENT. DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE OF INTOXICATION, SOMEONE WHO IS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL, DRUGS, OR OTHER INTOXICANTS MAY BE INCAPACITATED AND THEREFORE UNABLE TO CONSENT.

  • E. CONSENT CANNOT BE GIVEN WHEN IT IS THE RESULT OF ANY COERCION, INTIMIDATION, FORCE, OR THREAT OF HARM.

  • F. WHEN CONSENT IS WITHDRAWN OR CAN NO LONGER BE GIVEN, SEXUAL ACTIV-ITY MUST STOP.

[–]ruffykunn 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I prefer this in sentence case, don't like texts that shout at me :D:

Affirmative consent to sexual activity.

  1. Every institution shall adopt the following definition of affirmative consent as part of its code of conduct: "affirmative consent is a knowing, voluntary, and mutual decision among all participants to engage in sexual activity. Consent can be given by words or actions, as long as those words or actions create clear permission regarding willingness to engage in the sexual activity. Silence or lack of resistance, in and of itself, does not demonstrate consent. The definition of consent does not vary based upon a participant's sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression."
    Each institution's code of conduct shall reflect the following principles as guidance for the institution's community:
  • A. Consent to any sexual act or prior consensual sexual activity between or with any party does not necessarily constitute consent to any other sexual act.
  • B. Consent is required regardless of whether the person initiating the act is under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol.
  • C. Consent may be initially given but withdrawn at any time.
  • D. Consent cannot be given when a person is incapacitated, which occurs when an individual lacks the ability to knowingly choose to participate in sexual activity. Incapacitation may be caused by the lack of consciousness or being asleep, being involuntarily restrained, or if an individual otherwise cannot consent. Depending on the degree of intoxication, someone who is under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or other intoxicants may be incapacitated and therefore unable to consent.
  • E. Consent cannot be given when it is the result of any coercion, intimidation, force, or threat of harm.
  • F. When consent is withdrawn or can no longer be given, sexual activ-ity must stop.

[–]Hamakua -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just an FYI, reading over it I don't see any change in how rape and consent is already interpreted. The phrasing still allows silence and lack of resistance to not mean rescinded consent. Further they include both verbal and physical forms of consent, so this still includes body language "she took off her bra and panties then sat on my lap" is still consent by a woman.

-This is no the fight you want

The fight you want is the current "preponderance of evidence" vs. "beyond a reasonable doubt" differences between college tribunals and our state courts. -That's where the biggest issue is.

[–]tectonic9[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IANAL, but given the parts about rescinding consent at any time (does this include after the act?) and silence not implying consent, this adds up to constant expiration of consent. In other words, the person who strips down, begs you for sex, and physically guides you into her body cannot be demonstrated to be consenting ten seconds later when she is not actively encouraging you. Since she now has no legal expectation to say "no" or "stop," you're legally required to ensure that she is constantly babbling affirmation.

Given that this is not the way anyone in history has ever had sex, it means that every sex act (between two university students) is vulnerable to mutual charges of rape, and the only thing preventing a disciplinary conviction would be the 4-year long mutual good graces of the participants.

Even if you were to videotape an act, the complainant could easily point out the ten seconds of silence and say "see, I obviously consented before and after this point, but these ten seconds were rape!" And the burden of proof is shifted further towards the accused rather than the accuser.

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