The historical role of gynocentrism in societal collapse

SweetiePieJonas · 2015-06-14T18:33:52+00:00

I have seen versions of this theory floating around the manosphere before, and all of them show a lack of understanding of history and a tendency to twist things into a "just-so" narrative. A few salient points:

This theory implies that Rome fell due to the expansion of the welfare state, but there is little evidence to support this claim, much less evidence to support the claim that the Roman welfare state expanded due to the influence of women. The much more likely culprit for the collapse of the Roman state was that it grew too large to be administered effectively, leading to widespread corruption in government, decreased effectiveness of the military, and widespread social inequality between the classes of Roman society and the provinces of the Empire.
This theory also relies on the myth of "the Dark Ages," which modern historians agree is mostly a fabrication based on Renaissance- and Enlightenment-era attitudes about their own superiority over their immediate ancestors and reverence for Classical cultures, especially among Italian thinkers who romanticized a time period when Italy was a dominant force in Europe and the Mediterranean. In fact, the late Roman Empire was stagnant, and it being swept away led to rapid technological and social progress, notably in agriculture, law, and economics. The Renaissance, despite the mythology surrounding it, was not so much a return to Classical patterns of life and social organization as the culmination of a millenium-long pattern of development that wouldn't have existed without the fall of Rome (which, if it had stayed around, probably would have ossified into a stable but moribund society like Imperial China did).
I would argue that feminism (or even what we might call "proto-feminism") not only didn't exist before the 19th century, but couldn't exist. Prior to the industrial revolution the material conditions that would allow women generally to have any role in society other than mother/homemaker simply did not exist.
This theorist seems to think that the rise of the modern Western welfare state is the result of the increased influence of women and feminism, and not a response to the same social/technological changes that caused feminism (namely the industrial revolution and the rise of the wage labor economy).

rbrockway · 2015-06-14T14:08:25+00:00

Submitted in the interests of discussion.

augustfell · 2015-06-15T00:26:44+00:00

Hmm... so we can "bomb" rival countries with feminism instead of actual bombs. I wonder what the state of feminism is in China. Anyone know?

Title	The historical role of gynocentrism in societal collapse
Author	rbrockway
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Date	June 14, 2015 2:07 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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