Are women in the west oppressed? I want to understand how they come to this conclusion

DavidByron2 · 2015-06-11T22:21:42+00:00

why women feel they are so oppressed. What are the exact ways in which society oppresses women?

These two are unrelated. It's like the War on Christmas. Why one might ask, do Christians feel so oppressed? What are the ways that society oppresses Christians?

In fact it's the reverse. The more power people have the better they are able to air their grievances, pathetic and pointless as they might be. As an example compare a billionaire in a five star hotel and a homeless man sleeping under a bridge. Which is more likely to complain about the noise of traffic stopping them sleeping?

Women complain because they can complain. Because it is functional for them to complain. Because people listen and do things to fix their complaints. Because they have power.

Powerless people don't complain. Nobody gives a shit. Shut the fuck up. I'll give you something to be really sorry about.

I don't believe either gender is 'oppressed' nowadays

You are aware that the government discriminates against men in law, right?

SporkTornado · 2015-06-11T21:24:02+00:00

One of the things the do is take non-gendered issues like for instance online harassment, and turn them into women's Issues. Men on average receive more online harassment than women, but are much less likely to report it. They ignore, downplay and minimize the men who suffer from online harassment, and focus exclusively on the women who receive online harassment.

2015-06-11T23:03:24+00:00

You will get banned pretty soon on r/feminism asking things like that.

Western women are not oppressed. By all measures, western women have it better than any group in the history of humanity. The rub is that they have ACHIEVED having it better than anyone, by convincing everyone that they are oppressed.

xNOM · 2015-06-12T01:16:46+00:00

However, when feminists and women keep going on about the oppression of women, it just seems like a dogma to me, and i'd like to know what the factual basis behind their argument is.

There is none. Here's how feminism works:

find something that pisses off women
use misappropriated statistics to "argue" why even more resources and legal advantages should go to women to fix the "problem"
act like a 12-year old whenever anyone calls you out on your stupidity
the end

Extra credit: 5. It has always worked this way. Women were never "oppressed" by men. The very concept is laughable.

DavidByron2 · 2015-06-11T22:23:52+00:00

Asked the same question, got banned with no reply.

That was quick. Normally there's enough time between for us all to predict it will happen. I feel cheated now.

baserace · 2015-06-12T02:21:15+00:00

Western women in general don't feel oppressed beyond mundane stuff like having to do more housework (and even then this ignores the type of housework not considered houseword that most men do - car maintenance, fixing shit, redecorating, heaving shit around, etc). Most women are aware of the shit they can get away with i.e. pussy pass, and are satisfied with their lot from a freedom from oppression point of view.

Feminists on the other hand have the unfalsifiable The Patriarchy, from which all kinds of obvious oppressions appear. And you cannot disprove any of these oppressions because The Patriarchy. The media regurgitates.

Any women in the west today claiming that women are oppressed is either talking on a personal level, or has been indoctrinated by feminism. There is no vast, coordinated oppression of women in the west, the exact opposite is true.

Alzael · 2015-06-12T05:49:07+00:00

Because feminists are effectively creationists with lady bits.

All of feminist theory starts out from the basic position that women are oppressed.Feminist theory is all about then finding out the ways in which women are women are oppressed.The obvious flaw being that feminist theory never bothers to address whether that oppression is there in the first place.

This is exactly what creationists do when they do "science".They start from the position that the bible is completely true and god exists and then go out trying to prove it.Unsurprisingly enough they manage to find their proof fairly easily.As long as you make the same assumptions.

This is why feminist arguments fail so easily as soon as they are exposed to objectivity.Because all of their arguments and evidence rely on those same basic assumptions to be true.

Case in point when they cite the lack of women in government as proof that society is sexist.To a rational person that's not proof of anything.It's merely a factual observation about the world.The next logical step would be to form a hypothesis to explain this phenomenon and then test it and search for evidence. After all,it is actually possible that sexism is the reason for it.But you need evidence before you can accept such an explanation.

But they already have their hypothesis,and they already believe that the oppression exists.So when they see the difference in numbers......

To them there's nothing else it can be.Because they're already decided on it.They're just looking for things in the world to justify it.

What I would appreciate with this thread is to drop our opinions for a moment and try to understand why women feel they are so oppressed.

They don't.Feminists do.Feminists are only a small minority of women and only ever have been.

As for why feminists feel oppressed,basically because they're weak, emotionally needy,and pathetic.But too cowardly and narcissistic to own up to it.So they blame it on others.

Feminism is basically a microcosm and formalization of all of the absolute worst traits of women.Except glorified and exaggerated.Which is why in general don't like them.They see in feminism all of the aspects of femininity that are the worst in them. Much as men look at macho,preening, he-man types who act stupid and use/throw away women, while having massive egos (you know the type).Those men represent all of the worst aspects of masculinity.

Fortunately they don't have a movement/ideology yet.

Ultramegasaurus · 2015-06-12T06:09:48+00:00

Women are anything but oppressed in the West. They are protected, provided for, have special rights and are placated all the time. We've reached a point where offending a female stranger might ruin your career and where the "issue of manspreading" rallies more people than any sort of male suffering.

2015-06-15T17:31:09+00:00

By lowering the bar on the term "oppression" to a point insulting to just about everyone else, because, hey, it makes upper middle class college educated white women feel good about themselves.

Jacksambuck · 2015-06-11T22:47:19+00:00

I think objectification is bullshit, total air, doesn't mean anything. And women obviously aren't oppressed. But you want a standard feminist argument for why they're oppressed, so I'll give you one, without undermining it or telling why it's wrong.

Women are oppressed because men run things, and people are self-interested. Women are oppressed because they make less money than men, and money is power. Women are oppressed because they're raped and abused by men, and this both satisfies men's desires and helps them keep women oppressed. Smaller clues for this oppression can be found in double standards, such as the stud/slut paradox, and the fact that women aren't respected compared to men, but only valued for their looks. Generally, our society arbitrarily values masculine traits and devalues feminine traits, to keep women down.

Something like that.

L0gic1o1 · 2015-06-12T14:22:43+00:00

If someone has became a feminist, they're a idiot. And society doesn't like idiots that much. But they think it's the P-word.

Title	Are women in the west oppressed? I want to understand how they come to this conclusion
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Date	June 11, 2015 8:52 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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