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How ‘recovered memories’ fuelled the paedo panic

InBaggingArea

April 14, 2015
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/r/MensRights
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/how-recovered-memories-fuelled-the-paedo-panic/
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Title How ‘recovered memories’ fuelled the paedo panic
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InBaggingArea

Upvotes 23
Comments 14
Date April 14, 2015 11:37 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/32jwhe/how_recovered_memories_fuelled_the_paedo_panic/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/how-recovered-memories-fuelled-the-paedo-panic.983079
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Comments

[–]SigmundFloyd76 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting read. It's like the eye witness thing; the human mind is just too malleable to be trusted.

Harvard encouraged her and her mentor, Professor Richard J McNally, to switch the focus of their research on to people who believed they were abducted by aliens: a less politically sensitive class of victim.

What? Awesome! So to me this implies that many people who claim to be the victim of rape are on par with the Alien abduction crowd. People just get it in their head and to them it is real. Fucking amazing.

Good post OP. This is an important field in consideration of false accusations of all types. Peoples memories are suspect.

[–]RancorUnited 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The satanic panic should have been enough to put an end to all this nonsense. People had their lives ruined by schizophrenic grandmothers and modern day Christian witch hunts. I'm not exactly sure what's fueling the hysteria in the UK so much but there's something incredibly suspect when only wealthy people and organizations are targeted. Makes a good headline sure but it definitely makes for some incredible settlements. No one there bats an eye when girls are being abused there ironically fearful of being labeled a racist. But funny looking old white guy with a sizeable estate means it's fair game. The white guy in the park taking photos of his kids? He's a pedo and you should be afraid to go outside. The creepy foreigner raping 11 year old girls? That's multiculturalism and if you say otherwise your a racist.

[–]iMADEthis2post 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

False memory syndrome has been around for ages now, I remember mention of it in the 90's or early the 2000's. Specifically in relation to paedophillia as it happens. Surprised it's controversial now.

[–]Rutherford-b-hate -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for posting this. I am a strong supporter of abolishing age of consent laws, and this article legitimizes my convictions. If "child sexual abuse" was no longer a "thing" then feminists would cease to seek attention for their "victimization." Feminists want to ruin men's lives by making hebephilia illegal (or, at least, convincing society that it's morally reprehensible) then falsely accusing "perverts" of misconduct based on memories that don't even exist.

[–]Spektr44 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It isn't just feminists who believe adults having sex with minors should remain illegal.

[–]Sanguifer -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Is there any good basis for that belief, though? Or is it just a knee-jerk reaction, just like the entirety of "violence against women" on the feminist side?

Remember, You said it Yourself - adults having sex with minors. Not adults raping minors. Abolishing age of consent laws would not suddenly make rape legal.

[–]TiredPaedo 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There is good reason to believe that those ruled minors, especially children, lack the capacity for meaningfully informed consent far more often than they possess it.

Laws are written for the majority of circumstances rather than the outliers (atypically mature individuals for example).

Therefore age of consent laws.

While they may have some glaring problems that do need solving they also have a very valid reason for existing and should not be discarded so hastily whatever your opinion of them.

[–]Sanguifer -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That is not true. At least not necessarily so. Laws may be written for a majority of a certain set of circumstances, but those cases are usually outliers themselves.

Like MRAs never tire to say (and rightfully so) - You don't need to teach people not to rape, the majority already knows it's wrong. This also applies to cases of child rape.

You argue that those ruled minors far more often lack the capacity for "meaningful consent" than they possess it. Do they? I seriously don't know. But I actually doubt that. Especially in countries where the age of consent is on the high side (16,17,18). I also have a bit of a problem with the state telling someone when they are able to give "meaningful consent". Do remember that those are the same people who will argue that a drunk person woman is unable to give meaningful consent. It's very debatable. Now, I wouldn't mind giving that kind of power to the parents; after all, they are legally bound to provide for the child, and are also otherwise legally allowed to decide for their child on matters that involve consent (medical treatments come to mind).

But this is not that - these laws establish criminality, i.e. they say when someone is automatically a rapist, gets on some sort of sex offender list, or goes straight to jail against the wishes of the person he or she allegedly raped.

I'm not discarding them hastily, I assure You ;)

[–]TiredPaedo 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We already have well established laws under which even adults may have their consent called in to question.

Diminished capacity may be ruled if the individual is under the influence of intoxicants, has suffered severe cranial trauma/other medically debilitating injury such as Alzheimer's or is ruled severely developmentally disabled.

These all exist due to our understanding that consent is only valid if meaningfully informed and that some individuals (whether due to maturity, intoxication or medical condition) are likely to lack the capacity for that.

I'm a paedophile and I can recognize that, what's your excuse?

[–]Sanguifer -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And none of those laws are tied to mandatory prosecution laws. Well, we're getting there with intoxication, I guess. But I digress.

Diminished capacity is the key phrase. When it comes to age of consent laws, there is no talk of diminished capacity. It's no capacity, at all, ever, and charges will be pressed by the state even against Your (or Your parent's) explicit wishes. Age of consent laws draw an arbitrary, absolute line...

...and then bend that line anyways. Like in, say, Mississippi, where You can't have consensual sex with a 15 year old, not even with parental permission - but You can marry a 15 year old with parental permission, and then You can have sex with her. Is that 15 year old giving meaningful consent or not? You tell me.

Age of consent laws are ridiculous in their own right. It's the state telling me: Well, You're not likely to be able to do X, therefore You are not allowed to do X. Except if You do it with someone Your age. Or within an arbitrary age range. Or if You marry first. Then suddenly You are capable of giving consent. But otherwise, You can't give consent, because we have to draw the line somewhere! And then cross it, and cross it again, and hop back and forth while trying to maintain a straight face defending that line we drew.

I'm a paedophile and I can recognize that, what's your excuse?

I'm not a paedophile, and I can think about the topic rationally since it's not an emotionally charged one for me. That's my excuse.

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[–]Sanguifer -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd agree, but for this: The laws criminalise consensual sex. They just do. You say the rule of thumb "stick to Your age group when experimenting with sex" applies to most teenagers - true, but then again, most teenagers do that anyways. You say the legal system doesn't have time to sift through every detail of every person involved in something like this - I'm sorry, but we are talking here about cases that are outliers in the first place. The legal system needs to have time to examine the individual cases, especially when it's about consent - something that couldn't be more individual even if it tried.

Frankly, I'm baffled by the argument. "The legal system doesn't have time for the details" - on an MRA board? Guess all men accused of rape are guilty then, that'll save time? I mean, apparently, it applies to most of them - or so would the general opinion have us believe? Same line of reasoning.

The trouble with age of consent laws is that most of them allow for third party prosecution. Some of them even mandate it. That means there will be cases where police and state stick their noses into the beds of people who both don't want them there - and that's what makes them unnecessary at best.

Honestly, though, let's say we abolish age of consent laws. Do You seriously think that when a minor accuses someone of raping him or her, a judge would just go "Well, technically, You could have consented, therefore surely You DID consent! Case closed!"? Age of consent laws are a shortcut, and legal shortcuts often make a mockery of "innocent until proven guilty". Which is a double shame when an uninvolved third party gets to accuse, prosecute, and judge - like it's often the case with mandatory prosecution laws tied to age of consent laws.

Edit:

now, if you're attracted to 15 year olds, there are 18 year olds out there and in general they are more sexually mature, more mentally mature, and 18 year olds don't look that much different than 15 year olds.

What about the 15 year old who is attracted to the 25 year old? Are they supposed to look for some 16 year old who just happens to be tall and have a nice beard?

What about, You know, actual real life people developing actual, complicated, sexually charged feelings for each other? You seem to forget that those are individuals with emotions, not numbers and statistics with benchmarks and arbitrary limits.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought this was going to be about hooking up a guy to some device that let you browse his memories and then stumbling upon one of his own 12 year old penis or maybe a girl from around then and charging him with possession of child pornography.

As bizarre as it sounds, it could end up being the next thing. There's a rape in the area and all men are then required to go through memory scans. Much like DNA swabs. Bam, you get hit with charges for remembering your own 12 year old penis.

[–]TiredPaedo 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Umm...

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