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The Frat Boys Suing Rolling Stone Are Right

headingtoshore

April 11, 2015
252 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title The Frat Boys Suing Rolling Stone Are Right
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headingtoshore

Upvotes 252
Comments 17
Date April 11, 2015 3:27 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/32726g/the_frat_boys_suing_rolling_stone_are_right/
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Comments

[–]DirtyPedro 44 points45 points46 points 11 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

They need to be suing Jackie directly as well. Rolling Stone is responsible for bad journalism and should be accountable for that, but Jackie is the ultimate source of it all.

Rolling Stone has deeper pockets, so suing them makes sense in that respect, but Jackie herself needs to be held accountable for the damage she has inflicted on many many people. She destroyed fraternity chapters, she harmed many individuals' reputations, she marginalized the suffering of actual rape victims(and possibly caused some true victims not to speak as they may not want to be viewed as liars like Jackie), she took the spotlight from stories based in reality, she harmed UVA's reputation, and overall unleashed a fury of negativity.

The extent of the damage she has caused can not be easily be measured, yet she has not been held accountable for what we know to be lies. Very few publications even dare to publish her name, much less acknowledge the criminality of her false police reports, libel, and slander. (correction, the libel, slander, and defamation is not a criminal issue it is a civil issue, Jackie also never filed a police report and refused to answer investigator's questions)

Allowing Jackie to spread her falsehoods with complete impunity sends a message to young women everywhere that if you falsely accuse others of rape and get caught, you will get away with it. You will be protected from even having to take accountability. You will be able to enjoy anonymity, a luxury that victims of your false accusations were not given. You will not pay the legal costs of your actions, those who believed you and provided you a platform will carry that full burden.

This is simply not something which should not be tolerated.

[–]titaniumjackal 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure that defamation/libel is a criminal issue, merely a civil one. I'm not sure anyone ever goes to jail for that.

[–]DirtyPedro 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My mistake. I looked up if there are any criminal defamation laws in Virginia. There is one. You will not believe the wording.

§ 18.2-417. Slander and libel.
Any person who shall falsely utter and speak, or falsely write and publish, of and concerning any female of chaste character, any words derogatory of such female's character for virtue and chastity, or imputing to such female acts not virtuous and chaste,* or who shall falsely utter and speak, or falsely write and publish, of and concerning another person, any words which from their usual construction and common acceptation are construed as insults and tend to violence and breach of the peace or shall use grossly insulting language to any female of good character or reputation, shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.*
The defendant shall be entitled to prove upon trial in mitigation of the punishment, the provocation which induced the libelous or slanderous words, or any other fact or circumstance tending to disprove malice, or lessen the criminality of the offense.
(Code 1950, § 18.1-256; 1960, c. 358; 1973, c. 526; 1975, cc. 14, 15.)

Class 3 misdemeanor... but the law is written primarily to protect women? Why is gender specified? I'm baffled.

[–]titaniumjackal 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow. That's an interesting find, especially considering the subreddit.

[–]DirtyPedro 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, I was just looking at a list of states with criminal defamation laws, saw one law listed for virginia, and that's what it was. I wasn't expecting something so relevant.

[–]Not_An_Ambulance 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It really shouldn't be, but it actually is in some countries.

[–]Ballem 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well stated! These points need to be more known...

[–]Wargame4life 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes and no, yes personally she needs to suffer, but by targeting and penalising the "enablers" for their wrong doing it better prevents future jackie's from wielding their bullshit.

since future enablers will know that "there is no smoke without fire" is not a valid journalistic piece

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

so sue them both

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the gang-rape allegation is defamation per se, a statement against someone’s reputation so egregious that courts assume damage.

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Rolling Stone Is In Deep Trouble Phi Psi waited for the Colombia report before they confirmed they would take legal action. That was logical and wise. Most commentators think Rolling Stone would be wise to settle as soon as possible. I agree, but I do not assume settlement is on the table.

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Additionally, I don’t assume Rolling Stone can be wise. Their recent history suggests otherwise. It isn’t just Rolling Stone’s mangling of this story. Also this week, the Boston Marathon bomber was found guilty on all charges. Rolling Stone had featured him as a heartthrob cover in the months after the bombing.

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[–]MisterDamage 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fraternity might offer terms that involve large donations to sexual violence charities and organizations funding Title IX lawsuits by men

One of the comments on the article stated something that bears repeating :)

Left wing Hipsters forced to fund mens' rights groups? That what be awesome!

[–]Electroverted 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope this sets a stronger precedent for more falsely accused to litigate. So many times do I hear an innocent defendant say they just want to put it behind them. Why not get a little justice first?

[–]cuteman 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's so overwhelming, can open you up to additional liability and few people will take such a case without a significant retainer.

In many cases a stalemate is the best they feel they can hope for. Unfortunately there aren't many resources for this kind of thing. The innocence project type organizations are focused on people who are falsely accused in actual jail.... Which is hard to argue with compared to those falsely accused by universities.

[–]Wargame4life 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I look forward to the future "Justice porn" post.

I hope they pay big

[–]Young_Zaphod 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess this is a good chance to plug /r/unpopularopinion. It's a good place to go to post opinions you have that may be downvoted normally in Reddit or disliked in the real world. Cheers!

[–]GrantNexus 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Twenty years ago if you told me that I would be siding with a fraternity I probably would have laughed in your face. But maybe not as I like to think I have a good sense of justice.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good on ya

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