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Boy Got a Haircut Like His Military Step-Brother, School Suspended Him

thrway_1000

March 28, 2015
39 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/27/boy-got-a-haircut-like-his-military-step
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Title Boy Got a Haircut Like His Military Step-Brother, School Suspended Him
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thrway_1000

Upvotes 39
Comments 28
Date March 28, 2015 5:35 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/30kpre/boy_got_a_haircut_like_his_military_stepbrother/
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[–]CoccyxCracker 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"All I really want is for the school and the school district to do a public apology: Not just for my son, but for the fallen war heroes ... and the veterans, and the active military personnel that are in the Army now," Stinnett said. "Considering the military haircut as a distraction is basically saying that our Army is a distraction."

This mom is awesome. She found a great big bread box to stand on, and she doesn't seem apt to shut up anytime soon.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's telling that a public school prohibits a "military-style" haircut, but does not say a peep about the draft. Men are still expected to die for women when shit hits the fan, but they must not feel any pride about the institution that uses them as cannon fodder. It's ridiculous. Just like men are still expected to fulfill traditional, masculine roles in relationships but are not allowed to expect anything from the woman.

[–]mafiaking1936 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

School administrators are the most petty, useless people on the planet.

[–]RunawayGrain 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I was in school, they encouraged the students to get cuts like this. I think the by the books regulation was an inch off the collar and not touching the ears.

Apparently the dipshit in question claims that it's a mohawk, too: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/mar/28/elementary-principal-in-mcminnville-insists-military-haircut-is-mohawk-forces-2nd-haircut/295767/

[–]ProphetChuck 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

School seemed so free during my time, I'm glad I'm not a kid of today.

[–]SigmundFloyd76 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is it okay for public school officials to place totally unnecessary, soul-crushing restrictions on students?

"Students"? As far as soul crushing goes, it seems that boys are the one's being crushed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Educators have the least logic of any group of humans on the planet. Just like that school that wouldn't let a kid carry an inhaler on him and died, because when he had an asthma attack it was locked in the principals office who was out to lunch.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

The teachers, at least in my experience, have fucks that are less than or equal to zero when it comes to situations like this. Their primary concern is the education of our youth.

Your other primary concern is to ensure the learning environment isn't toxic for the students. Suspending an innocent boy for something as trivial as a "Haircut" doesn't help the matter.

"Teachers often get a bad rap for doing jackshit to make the situation worse."

And you deserve that bad rap. How many times does a student come to you for protection from, say, serious bullying and you don't lift a damn finger except for when he/she physically fights back in self-defense so you can punish THEM instead of their tormentor/s? I'd say it shouldn't have escalated to that point if you were doing your damn job.

This sounds harsh, yes, but I don't like teachers back peddling with "We're not all like that" when there's too much of situations like that in the school system.

I'd even home school or send my child to private school. That's how bad it's gotten for public education.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

You don't know me, or the folks I work with, and I'd wager you don't know many teachers outside of the ones you've imagined in your head.

But I do know something rotten is going on in the very system you champion. Particularly when it comes to serious issues such as bullying.

Countless stories of people who have been bullied in the past, kids being bullied in the present, physical violence and torment.

What is the consistent pattern?

They went to people like you and didn't get any help whatsoever. Yeah, some spared a stern talking to for the tormentors but that only made it worse.

Even with all this no-tolerance policy, hardly any of the kids are receiving the help and support they need from people they trust.

Here is another common pattern:

The victims do stand up and resort to self-defense because words and authority figures failed them.

They get suspended instead for taking matters into their own hands. Meanwhile learning school is a dog-eat-dog world where the strong survive and the weak get grinded beneath steel toed boots. Even elementary school children are picking up on this.

"My suggestion in this case would be to do a bit more research, perhaps even ask to visit some local schools and speak with the teachers there. Maybe even your school board? You clearly have an impression of public education that is deeply rooted in personal bias and I strongly urge you to work towards resolving that so you can make a more informed decision in the future."

I will.

But in the meantime I think it's well-deserved that you receive a backlash. Because the system is failing these kids and teachers aren't lifting a finger to help them.

I also say this as someone who was abused by teachers too as a special needs students who suppresses the urge to vomit daily with the stories I read from future generations in my situation where the shit being done to them would turn you white!

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

At no point have I said that bullying isn't a problem or isn't something that should cause concern. Are you going to hear stories about kids getting bullied? Yes. Why? Because it makes for a fantastic story and gets page hits/views/watches. Because it's easy to get folks to rally up against a system and set up that straw man to attack.

"Kids do get bullied. It's never a good thing. But the impression that you and a few others in this thread seem to be giving is that it is some overwhelming pattern that indicates a problem with the majority of students in our public school system."

"Look, it's easy to join in on the bandwagon and say that the stories are numerous and lump all teachers into some group. It's easy to assume that we're all failing our charges. What I find reprehensible is that you're giving me (and I'm assuming all teachers?) a "backlash" because of the actions (or lack thereof) of a very small minority."

You know what I find more reprehensible? Someone doing their damnedest to minimize a prevalence. At which point they turn into nothing but a squeaky-clean, PR spewing salesperson.

You're doing this right now.

Whatever your opinion, don't deny the fact that this is a real problem and everyone in that system has failed to address it adequately.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be hearing from kids in the past about their experiences getting the cold shoulder by you when they needed help the most. Nor would you be hearing the same from kids in the present. Young boys and girls slitting their throats, hanging themselves or taking action to destroy themselves so the pain stops.

A very small minority of teachers, huh?

Minimize it all you want but the system and a sizeable portion are screwing it up royally.

"I will leave it with this- as I said below to another individual, I'm sorry you were abused and experienced bullying. That isn't acceptable on any level, for any student, regardless of if the student has an IEP or not."

I never had an IEP. Not in those good old days.

Just constant berration and derision left and right from both students and teachers. It was the teachers that grieved me the most because you'd expect better from people paid to educate and support children. Especially ones with special needs.

" I can only hope that with time, perhaps that incident won't tarnish your view of the teaching profession as a whole."

Only in terms of bullying. That is where I have no sympathy for teachers whatsoever.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I will say it once more. Of course bullying is an issue. My point, my entire point, is that you two claiming it's an epidemic is beyond ridiculous.

It IS an epidemic you apathetic snake oil salesperson!

You don't believe me? There are plenty of topics in Reddit specifically devoted to bullying with stories from survivors that all the say the same thing: Teachers, counselors and administrations did jack shit to address the situation. Then making them out to be the bad guy should they logically fight back. Read news stories on students as young as eleven hanging themselves.

Yes, you've given me no choice but to turn up the volume because I believe it's about damn time somebody holds you and the system accountable for the multitudes of innocent bullying victims that are suffering in silence because you turn the other way.

As I've said, I have not a shred of sympathy for teachers or administration in this area. They can claim all they want that they're helping but, as countless stories to the contrary prove otherwise from people who survived school and young ones killing themselves, the bullshit is off the charts!

I'm not moving on. I'm telling it like it is in the name of all those deceased kids who took their life because it was the only solution left. In the name of any bullying victim, regardless of gender or age, lost in the cracks of an uncaring system and the wheel cogs that turn it.

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[–]autowikibot 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Argument from fallacy:


Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false. It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), fallacy fallacy, fallacist's fallacy, and bad reasons fallacy.

Fallacious arguments can arrive at true conclusions, so this is an informal fallacy of relevance.


Interesting: Appeal to pity | God of the gaps | List of fallacies | Relativist fallacy

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The teachers, at least in my experience, have fucks that are less than or equal to zero when it comes to situations like this. Their primary concern is the education of our youth.

I take it you're not located in the US then?

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting. Where I'm from (WV) the teachers seem to primarily be interested in teaching discipline.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll give you some acknowledgement here and say yeah, the other problem is that the logical ones are out numbered and suppressed by the loud mouth vocal control freak types who have no logical thought process. I have had a few teachers that were understanding and logical and fair.

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