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[–]melyssafaye6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From a post-wall woman:
Find something you care about and get involved. Volunteer or do something that will cause you to have social interaction outside of hanging out with friends.
Then, realize that AWALT isn't true. Women, in general, aren't nearly as shallow as men. We tend to be more concerned who a guy is. Not being a creep gets you pretty far and treating women like people instead of bitches who are withholding the pussy you deserve. (Not saying you hold this belief, but it's a common thread among redpill)
Be the person you'd like to find. Write a list of the things you are attracted to and work to be those things. If your list is only: hot, large breasted, thin and so on, then there's your trouble. But, if you want someone who is kind, trustworthy, and interesting, be that.
Depression is hard. Seek medical advice, it really helps.
[–]HAPiper 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here's some thinking that helped me: EVEN IF you end up going through life having never had a relationship, does that mean you should spend all of your time feeling bad about it? Of course not. It means you better find what it is in life that DOES bring you happiness and go after it with gusto.
When I say "happiness," I don't mean the instant-gratification kind like with video games or jerking off. I mean find something that might take time, energy, sweat, frustration, etc. that will fulfill you in a deeper sense.
The trick to this is that once you do this and begin pursuing your passions, you become fit, interesting, confident, etc. The obstacles that might stop you from meeting the right person will fade away. Try to become the person you would want to date.
[–]Laviland1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try accepting yourself and caring for yourself for the time being. If you're worried about your health, maybe try some sport or activities that interests you.
Maybe it would be best right now to build a healthy relationship with your own self and with valuing yourself without going into full-blown ego tripping or narcissism of course. Accept your weight, and over time start losing it in healthy ways and naturally with exercise, changes to diet with having your own health as the top goal here if that's what you want to do.
I've never seen any of my female friends avoiding shorter guys tbh, my shortest male best buddy had wedding proposals at one point I had to shield him at parties. lmao. top lulz were had.
If the depression is becoming too much, try seeking professional advice and/or therpaist that will listen to you, and/or try talking wit friends or family or here online if you're comfortable with it. While it does sound worn out, sometimes its also good to write stuff down in your own "notebook" or something, and letting go of some of those negative emotions and thought patterns with time and patience and understanding towards yourself and others.
You're not being entitled or rude. I am sure you will have a girlfriend and/or girlfriends, just take some time now to build your own more positive emotions and thought patterns and see your own value, worth, and try to love yourself with all the good and all the "flaws" you may or may not actually have.
I assure you're not alone and that there are plenty of men and women in similar or even almost the same situations, life can be a bit confusing and stir is in not so good paths for us or for others. it's fine, let it go and don't feed yourself with even more insecurity or doubt or fears or paranoia the RP is at times full of and toxic for you and for other men and women. Sometimes we're all our own worst enemies due to our own perception steeped in fear and doubt. It's fine to sometimes doubt ourselves, but you also have to have faith in yourself in the end and trust that you'll meet someone sooner or later who you can share some time and/ care for them and they care for you and appreciate you as you are without any dramatics such as "you've got to climb mountains and whatnot" for someone to love you.
I am not sure if you're into some books regarding self-help so this one was interesting to me and helped at times so see if you'd like to give it a read and see if its your cup of tea;
"The Game of Life and How to Play it"
Nobody really gets instant partners, and we all have to sometimes go through what you'd call "setbacks" or loneliness or doubts, but the most important thing is that you pick yourself up, enjoy and see your own worth without it being constantly dependent on someone or something outside of you, and everything else will slowly but surely come into place, and you'll have experiences and great things in your way and coming your way as soon as you see it possible as it always was within your own mindset and switch from the negative perception and constructions you built over time and held onto.
Just let the past be the past, let go of it. Otherwise your mind just clings to it and repeats it in the present and future with this whole "nobody wants me" thought patterns and emotional patterns. See a positive present and future in your mind now, and build on it healthier thoughts and emotions so you can stop bringing yourself down. Sometimes that's all that is needed to be honest. We block ourselves from even seeing whats right in front of us at times kind of like in those hypnosis shows where the hypnotist makes a person not see a chair right in front of them or that they're a chicken and not a human. Our mind is funny like that at times.
I wish you the best, and take care of yourself and don't give in to worry and doubts so much. Cheers
[–]raziphel0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
first: treat the depression and understand how those feelings affect your thoughts. talk to a therapist, maybe get some meds. do what you've got to do.
understand how intrusive thoughts work, how you can recognize them, and how to manage them. personally when my thoughts get bad, once I recognize them, I gently correct myself, as if I were correcting a puppy. lead your brain to more pleasant thoughts. you deserve better from yourself. don't talk to yourself like Donald Trump talks to others.
you don't need to lose weight to attract people, because there are definitely happy fat people out there, but let's be honest: it certainly makes it easier. it'll make you feel better too.
get out and spend more time with people. practive being outgoing and friendlier.
be patient with yourself. change like this doesn't happen overnight. be forgiving with yourself when you make mistakes, because they will happen.
practice presenting yourself in a more appealing way. you don't have to go out and buy expensive closes, but don't dress like a slob. the standard for men is really low but it still requires some effort.
don't go out with the mindset of "getting a girl": 1: other people can smell it and it pushes them away, and 2: doing so means any little setback will hit harder. improve yourself for yourself.
use the scientific method. make a theory, test it, and observe the results. if you get good feedback, make that your new base pattern and refine it. if you don't get good feedback, modify your pattern to be better and try again.
you got this, man. you can do it. it's not going to be easy, but it's totally worth it.
TLDR: be someone others want around.
[–]throwaway3456505 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
understand how intrusive thoughts work, how you can recognize them, and how to manage them. personally when my thoughts get bad, once I recognize them, I gently correct myself, as if I were correcting a puppy. lead your brain to more pleasant thoughts. you deserve better from yourself.
Not op here, but how do you do this? I spend almost all day thinking about this kind of stuff, what else am I meant to do?
[–]raziphel0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
recognize what intrusive thoughts are. the typical example is violent or self-destructive thoughts, but it doesn't have to be. anything that's negative or out of place, really.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought
https://www.intrusivethoughts.org/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/am-i-normal/201110/intrusive-thoughts-normal-or-not
http://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/signs/intrusive-thoughts
recognize when your emotions are taking control of your thinking, which is similar to the above (but a little more difficult).
when you catch yourself thinking bad things, recognize them as soon as possible and label them. "That's just an intrusive thought, brain. don't do that." sometimes it's "god damn it brain, stop that!" do what works, but try to be gentle with yourself. you deserve it.
then, redirect your brain to things that you want to deal with instead. Distract yourself. change your environment and do something to change things up. meditation is a good way to practice this and I wholly recommend it.
http://www.mindful.org/meditation/mindfulness-getting-started/
http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/9805.html
http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/1475.html
http://sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/05/22/mindfulness-meditation-for-adults-teens-with-adhd/
http://www.freemeditation.com/benefits-of-meditation/meditation-helps-with-adhd/
basically, what you're doing is CBT with your brain- creating space between the emotions and the thoughts to give yourself a chance to breathe and regain control.
http://www.paniccure.com/approaches/meditation/meditation_and_cbt.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness-based_cognitive_therapy
http://mbct.com/
these are all just some google links I found, and certainly not the end-all of resources. you'll want to find your own and research. there are some subreddits you can explore too.
the biggest part is that this is to practice and be patient. it's not going to change in a day, or even a month, but the longer you do it, the better you'll get. dedicate yourself to it. promise yourself "this is not how I want to be" and then work to change. you deserve it.
a therapist helps. medication may help. recognizing what affects your moods, and thus your thinking, helps (for example: low vitamin d has depression-like symptoms, not drinking enough water doesn't help, poor sleeping habits, eating badly creates a sugar/caffeine/carb roller coaster, and so on). there is no singular magic bullet but a lot of little things you can do to exert control over your life, your brain, and your emotions. giving yourself more energy will help, because dealing with this is exhausting. build up positive inertia in your life instead of negative or sedentary inertia.
be forgiving of yourself when you fail, because we all fail and there will be setbacks, but always keep looking and moving forward. It's not like we've got a choice there, really, given the alternative...
[–]throwaway3456505 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I suppose I should of been a little more honest in my original post. I'm very familiar with intrusive thoughts, I've got a form of OCD which is pretty much just them.
So about a year ago I started seeing all sorts of signs that we were living in the end times. I couldn't go five minutes without thinking about how much time we had left, or whether I could save my family etc. Before that I used to worry about whether or not I could die, or if I would just keep living on forever and ever. It took about a year and a half of therapy but eventually I started to get my mind back to the way it was before. But the way it was before was all this sort of stuff, It's been there for so long it's my default state.
Which is what I meant when I asked what else I could do. If you don't mind me asking, what do you do? what your internal dialogue like? One of the effects of me being diagnosed was to get me wondering just how different my thought process might be to other people. I sort of just assumed it would be they same, but that doesn't really seem true. So I find it hard to 'fix' my brain when I don't really know what I'm aiming for. Did you used to think the way I do now? and if so what did you replace it with?
[–]raziphel0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
End times thinking is hard to deal with, and it's surprisingly common throughout history (I think it's an externalizing of the concept that one day we all die, but that's a tangent). We're not in the "end times"... but still, things are going to hell in a handbasket pretty quickly, and it's been deteriorating for decades now.
I've had my share of those thoughts too, and they're frustrating yet energizing.
Those individual topics of thought are symptoms as much as they are causes of the problem, because it's a self-feeding cycle. You have to break the cycle to get a grip on it.
My internal dialogue has gotten a lot better over the years. The self-destructive impulses to, say, crash my car into an overpass support or to put a gun in my mouth aren't there anymore, thank fucking god, and that's made it easier to recognize the less grandiose but still destructive thought patterns that emerge on occasion (like feeling guilty for mistakes made years ago). I also use this technique for depression too, because with practice, you can typically label those thoughts too and work to change gears. Panic/anxiety attacks too, but that's a little harder.
A lot of it now is what I described- I'll get off on an emotional tear for a bit, recognize what's going on, re-commit to not doing that, take a moment for a spot of breathing meditation (ie thinking only about your breathing, while breathing slowly to calm my body down), and then redirect my energy into something else, to either calm down or to be productive. I'll look to see what might have triggered it too, like if I haven't eaten and am hangry, or if something just smells like past trauma (because brains work by association).
remember, it's not so much the thoughts that you need to address as the emotions that drive them, which are mostly biochemical. stress is a major factor in that because it creates adrenaline, which makes your brain move faster, but if you're stuck on bad things, it just makes those bad things faster. take the time to slow down, re-again your footing, and point yourself in the right direction.
but yeah, fixing brains is fucking hard. it took me years to get to this point, and there have been a lot of difficult parts between now and then (including a dehydration-driven mental breakdown, medical-related panic attacks, and a divorce).
You're aiming for calmness and control. it doesn't have to be 100%, because I'm sure as hell not 100% either, but just better than you are now. If you continually improve, then the change will become more noticeable.
I don't have experience with OCD though, so I can't really help you with that specifically. Hopefully this will help.
[–]throwaway3456505 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
redirect my energy into something else
That's what i'm looking for, what would usually be your 'something else'. Not that I'll necessarily want to use it, but i'm just looking for inspiration for myself.
For instance, there a theater near where I live where I went to see a friend of mine perform. I was in love with her at the time, but now shes moved on and found someone else. I walk past that theater every day and every time I do I'm reminded of that. I'm aware of the thought, and the trigger, but I don't really know what I should actually do about it.
[–]raziphel0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it depends on what's handy, really. usually I try to do something productive. working on the house, art stuff, grocery shopping, exercise.
with your friend... you just kinda have to be happy that she's happy, and spend your emotional energy on others (ie date other people). yeah, it kinda sucks and it'll be a little bittersweet, but aside from "avoid it" there isn't much you can do.
[+]Devvils -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
what should i do besides losing weight and becoming fit again? is there any books you recommend?
Be yourself? Try /r/MGTOW
[–]Laviland3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
so when are they going their own way, exactly? I've knitted them gloves and lil hats with MGTOW hearts and unicorns.
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