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What are your objective and logical arguments against this?

bizanondude

March 23, 2026
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Title What are your objective and logical arguments against this?
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bizanondude

Upvotes 0
Comments 26
Date March 23, 2026 4:37 AM UTC
(4 months ago)
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Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/1s17e84/what_are_your_objective_and_logical_arguments/
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[–]exredpill-ModTeam[M] [score hidden] 4 months ago stickied commentlocked comment (0 children) | Copy Link

Texts posts only, please. No video links without a summary of the points you want discussed here.

[–]zhawadya 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

If you're committed to the view that this narrative is in any way sensible or logical, theres nothing anyone can say that'll convince you otherwise.

The only way out is growing up a bit, and that's going to take a bit of time and reflection I suppose.

Anyway if you're actually curious about why the roots of the redpill ideas are complete horseshit, you can read some critiques of the field of evolutionary psychology - I recommend watching Robert Sapolsky's lectures where he first explains specific ideas that were within scientific discussion (and not like made up on 4chan) and were debunked more than 70 years ago. At the end of his evo psych module he tears apart the evo psych style of argumentation as mostly pseudoscience (or rather just some having very weak standards for evidence)

[–]bizanondude[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for not mentioning a single point. "Go read a book." very helpful.

[–]zhawadya 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Mmmm if having to read a book is such radical advice then that's exactly where you need to start my friend. Less social media intellectualism, more reading

[–]bizanondude[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not radical when I'm asking Reddit, or I'd be asking a Librarian instead.

[–]zhawadya 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You can be on reddit and still have standards for where you get your facts and what kind of info you build your worldview on lol.

Anyway, if you're going to engage in a discussion, why wouldn't you just share your own thoughts than expect someone to do the painful and mentally damaging work of having to listen to an incel grifting channel? Why should anyone put effort in arguing with someone who can't even put their contention down in words?

[–]bizanondude[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ironic that you would ask that question after you literally just did what you're accusing me of.

[–]zhawadya 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Brother your post got more traction than it deserves despite the zero effort you put into it.

Noones going to watch a video by some anonymous moron just to engage in a bad faith argument with you.

But you still got honest feedback about why this makes no sense and Ive pointed you to a real scholarly source that you'd go into if you actually were interested in learning.

[–]WWhiMM 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

against 17 minutes of rambling? Sure. Imagine this were a guy talking to you at a bus stop, would that be a pleasant experience for you?

[–]bizanondude[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He seems pretty chill. If you're saying it's a one way conversation though, so is every other youtube video.

[–]meleyys 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sullying my YouTube history with whatever this is.

[–]bizanondude[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Very objective and critical. God forbid someone screws up your echo chamber as you accuse the other side of being in an echo chamber.

[–]meleyys 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, yeah, everyone who disagrees with you just doesn't ~understand~ your shitty beliefs. Buddy, I've been arguing with red pillers for 10+ years now. I've never heard one of them make a single decent argument, and this video isn't going to be any different.

[–]bizanondude[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago (11 children) | Copy Link

How do you know my beliefs? I never mentioned a single one. I just asked for arguments against the beliefs in the video, and I still have not gotten a single answer that addresses what I asked for.

[–]meleyys 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (10 children) | Copy Link

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JAQing+off

[–]bizanondude[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What are the underlying assumptions that I have not mentioned but you're magically reading my mind about?

[–]meleyys 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago (8 children) | Copy Link

For the record, I'm only engaging because I'm bored at work. I know full well you're just wasting both our time.

Your tone makes it very obvious what's going on here. If you were genuinely weighing manosphere vs. non-manosphere talking points in your mind, you wouldn't just have linked a video of some red pill dude rambling and been like "Debunk this bro." You would, at the very least, have phrased your title differently. Logic and objectivity are good things, sure, but a lot of CHUDs take pride in the (false) belief that they are ultra-rational ubermenschen. Additionally, presenting a steelman for us to argue against without asking any real questions or sharing your own thoughts is a dead giveaway that you aren't here to consider other perspectives.

To say nothing of your whining about echo chambers. What valuable information are you going to gain from talking to people in an echo chamber? None, right? So if you actually think this is an echo chamber, there's no reason to post here except to start shit.

If you have actual questions, post them. I'll give you thought-out responses if you give me thought-out prompts. But until you do so, I'm assuming you're just here to be a dick.

[–]bizanondude[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I've posted multiple questions now, and still none have been addressed. Do you want to dictate to me what to ask?

Interesting how you can hear my tone, considering we are typing.

Perhaps you're projecting your feelings rather than reading what I'm actually asking or saying?

I'm glad you're being a productive member of society and engaging with this on Reddit on the clock while collecting a paycheck from your employer. Very inspirational.

[–]meleyys 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago (6 children) | Copy Link

My dude, the only question I've seen you post is "How do you know my beliefs?" Perhaps there were some in the OP; I can't see it now and I don't recall. But I cannot answer questions you have not asked.

It doesn't take some kind of social genius to read your tone here. Believe it or not, it's really not that hard to figure out someone's attitude over text when you have multiple comments by which to judge them.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ An employer can only profit if they pay you less than what you bring in. They are, by definition, stealing from you. Capitalism is evil, most jobs contribute nothing of value to humanity, and it's more ethical to slack off at work than to actually do your job most of the time. I worked my ass off at the one (1) job I had that was a force for good in the world, but this ain't that. Besides, if my employer wants me to work, they should give me something to do.

[–]bizanondude[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes the OP was deleted as this sub is heavily regulated. It's interesting you cannot see the OP, yet are so convinced that you know my intentions and assumptions. That's what I'm trying to say.

I am not pro-redpill what so ever. My intention, to be frank with you, was to debate someone who sent me the video I posted in the OP.

He also claimed that if I don't accept those points, I'm clearly "woke," which I don't consider myself to be at all, just because I'm not a "red-piller."

His claim was that I cannot argue against that video. So I came here and posted it because I was curious what ex-redpillers would say.

But now I see where he's coming from...

Both sides are so insufferable that they are not willing to sit down and have a civil discussion without censoring, insulting, or making assumptions about one another.

And this is exactly why the environment is so divisive on both sides.

The Redpillers call me woke, and the anti red pillers think I'm some kind of right wing lunatic when I'm simply interested in bringing answers from either side occasionally.

[–]meleyys2 points 4 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If that was truly your intention, I apologize. But you really did yourself no favors here. Instead of explaining that, you just immediately snapped at people who made a pretty reasonable assumption given the information they had. I'm not even talking about myself here; at least I was somewhat belligerent. The other comments were nicer, and you were still a dick to them for no reason.

Doing the "both sides tho" thing is also not a good look in basically any discussion.

[–]bizanondude1 point 4 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not a heard mentality type person, no matter what "community" it is. Thanks for your apology.

I mean this genuinely, but I don't understand how I am responsible for someone else's assumptions at large.

I made no implications what so ever in my OP or my comments.

Maybe they came off cold, but I also did not insult anyone.

I'm just very direct and I'm looking for information, not validation.

The "both sides" thing is typically someone searching for objectivity.

[–]meleyys2 points 4 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I will concede that you couldn't have known this without at least lurking a little, but this subreddit gets a lot of bad-faith manosphere weirdos picking fights here, and your tone was VERY reminiscent of how they do it.

[–]bizanondude1 point 4 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Doesn't that inherently make it an echo chamber? For example, it's the same sort of behavior I get on a Red Pill sub or forum - "You don't agree with everything because you're even bringing up x, y, and z, therefore you are a woke liberal and a threat."

[–]meleyys2 points 4 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'd argue there's a difference between being an echo chamber and just not putting up with the same tired red pill bullshit we've debunked a million times. Not every subreddit needs to be a debate sub, and that's not the intended purpose of this one. But if you scroll through the comment sections, you'll see we don't all just agree with one another. I've argued passionately with several people who are still in the community. There's a dude here who thinks women are biologically kinder and better than men, a dude who's a weird misanthrope and basically just shits on everyone including red pillers, a few conservatives who happen to hate TRP... It's more diverse than you might imagine.

If someone, red pill or otherwise, is here to have a genuine discussion, I'm usually willing to entertain them. But there are certain behaviors I absolutely don't tolerate, and blatant sexist trolling is one such behavior. (I'm not a mod or anything, but I call people on their shit.) However, you'll note that your post wasn't even deleted because people thought you were a red pill guy; it was deleted because this is primarily a subreddit for text posts, and you just linked a video without expanding on it much.

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