Somehow my gf (23F) and I (28M) got to talking about marriage and wedding rings. We've been together almost three years. I mentioned how a co-worker's husband spent 6k on an engagement ring and I was like "yeah, I want to go under that." My gf looked up the average price of a ring and said it was about 6k and I believe my words were "yeah, you're not getting that," which I admit probably stung but wasn't what I meant.
Then, to compound all this, we got to talking about weddings and I talked about how much money they are and how I didn't want to blow through all my savings just for one day. Then she said "You know girls plan this stuff since they're, like, 8, right?" and I said "Yeah" and then she went quiet.
She cried off and on all day yesterday and it completely ruined both of our days. At night she said some very scary things and it seemed way too overboard for what had happened.
Reddit, I just think the whole marriage culture is a money pit. I'm fine with a solid ring and a nice, decent wedding, but I did not at all expect this reaction from her. I would have been fine with a rational conversation, but I didn't get that. I'm probably an asshole for the way I phrased my overall message, but I'm asking more generically -- am I the asshole in this situation?
[–]Fhaze111740 points41 points42 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Her: "you know girls plan this stuff since they're 8 right?"
Him: "oh cool it must mean you've been saving for your wedding since you've been 8!how much is in your wedding account now?"
Her : 🤨😳😲
[–]MaestroLogical9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
My ex fiance actually kept binders with pictures and cut-outs of what she wanted, every since she was 11. She had 7 by the time I proposed when she was 23.
So we're talking about rings and she excitedly runs into the bedroom and pulls out one of the binders, quickly flips pages and lands on a few with rings. I'm bracing myself, expecting some over priced extravagantly huge diamond deal...
She floors me with her demand. She had to have this exact ring, no other substitutes. Her smile is magnificent and huge as she passed the binder to me. My fear was palpable as I glanced at the page.
There it was, a pewter piece of shit with no stone! Just a basic pewter celtic knot dull grey in color!! I searched for literal months online, going to stores and asking... nothing! She'd pulled the image from the internet way back in 1997. I finally gave up and told her the ring no longer existed.
Without missing a beat, she makes a few clicks on her laptop and viola! there it is, in all it's pewter glory. I had to do a triple take on the price. $75.99!!!
Man did I think I hit the jackpot. Here was this girl that obssessed over her future wedding to the point of creating and maintaining actual binders and yet I was getting off without spending thousands on the ring. I really thought she was a unicorn at this point.
Then the actual planning began. It very quickly dawned on me that I had no say in any of it. I would be invisible that day (and most likely all days following) and the price tag continued to spiral.
Before we even got to the reception, her 'rough' total was topping $82,000!!! We were both making minimum wage, coming from middle class families that barely held on and she'd 'plannned' a million dollar wedding!?
We talked. She explained that she knew we wouldn't be able to 'do it all' but that certain things were really special, really important for her blah blah blah.
After squeezing as much as she'd allow, we got the total down to just over 60k...
So, I had no choice but to push the date further and further back. Maybe I'd be able to save 'x' amount yearly so we'd get married in the next 5 years. Her dad was going to contribute 'Y' and on and on.
Nope. She wasn't having it. We either entered into married life severely in debt, just so she could feel like a princess for a few hours, or we stopped seeing each other!
Took me years to get over that loss, the fact that I almost fucked up so badly, that my judgement could be soooo wrong, really messed me up. The following years saw her bouncing from one 'great' guy to another, all the while I was wallowing in pity and misery, wishing she'd come to her senses...
Fast forward 17 years and she's an alcoholic weighing in at a ground shattering 340lbs! (She was 112 soaking wet when we met) can't keep a man for more than a few minutes and cries herself to sleep nightly for being so stupid that she'd leave "the best thing I ever had" all because of her childhood dream of the perfect wedding.
I've been just peachy every since.
[–]fingbacca2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Matrix-level bullet dodge. You know Kung Fu!
[–]SlainFunicle10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If he said that she would start a fight right there lol
[–]crella-ann1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Hahahaha, I just said the same thing over there!
[–]dhjekeje32 points33 points34 points (0 children) | Copy Link
How the fuck is he the asshole is beyond me. Thank god this sub exists to keep me sane
[–]nana31og14 points15 points16 points (1 child) | Copy Link
God damn... didn’t get far enough down to see any NTA. Basically he’s an asshole for not wanting to go broke on a wedding or ring. Crazy talk. If you do get married...huge red flag if the main concern is the cost of the ring
[–]BaffyBob12 points13 points14 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She's using emotional blackmail to try to get what she wants. If he gives in and they get married, I bet it won't last three years and she'll take most of his stuff and he'll be paying child support and alimony. That one conversation revealed exactly what her motives are for staying in the relationship.
[–]MuchIndependence11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Better to be an unwed asshole than a married sucka
[–]asspop15 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup! if you get married test the bitch! Give her a ring thats only worth a few bucks.. if she loves you it doesn't matter. If she's in it for the money she will complain about it. Also get a prenup and put all your assets into a trust. Hide your bank account!. If she loves you she will sign the prenup. If she doesn't she will complain.. MGTOW!
[–]1Badshot4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"You know girls plan for their dream wedding there whole life, right?"
Do they plan on saving for it? In every one of those wedding dreams do ANY of those brides picture themselves going into debt or shelling out their money for an overblown party?
No! Every single woman dreams that some stupid jackass is going get stuck paying the bill. This guy's only crime is he didnt know he is the designated jackass!
[–]Starcruiser283 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Well is her daddy gonna pay for it? Oh she is from a single parent household and no father? Sorry no wedding unless you are paying for it, CASH ONLY no financing it.
Watch her head explode!!!
[–]NotherThrowaway2843 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Here's my idea for the sort of wedding a woman has a right to expect (assuming marriage is on the table):
I figger that oughta do it.
Want hors d'oeuvres? Fuck you--go to the grocery store and buy some.
[–]RunawayGrain0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Here's what a peasant wedding looked like circa 1870, per Vasily Maximov. It wasn't held in a church. The bride wasn't in an expensive dress. There were no rings. There is, however, a local sorcerer.
Kind of amazing how the wedding industry has cropped up since around 1900 to extract cash from guys, lots of it based on manufactured traditions.
[–]mrwordsalad0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I was kind of shocked when I saw 6k. My sister picked out a $58 ring when her fiancé asked her to pick out an engagement ring. I knew there were rings that expensive but I didn’t think people actually chose those.
[–]QuickDrawDinoHunter0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"You know girls plan this stuff since they're, like, 8, right?"
Then shouldnt she have been saving up money for this????
[–]Lorist0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Traditionally the brides family paid for a wedding (in lieu of a dowry, a sum paid to the groom for becoming the provider for the bride.) The husband provided an engagement ring to sort of offset the wedding or dowry (a kind of life insurance in case the husband croaked, and the wife could hawk the ring, or in case the husband was an ass the ring paid for her misery up till she packed her bags and left) So yeah, as long as mommy and daddy were going to foot the bill, an 8 year old girl can dream as big as she wants.
Following that tradition, I don't know how it turned into the groom footing the bill for everything. That isn't fair.
I think of a wedding as one huge party. You may only host one or two parties like that in a life time. Many couples delay getting married five years, just to save up for a wedding, which seems kind of slavish. But it can be more fun to have a kick ass party when you are younger because relatives are still alive and friends aren't scattered.
I suggest to young couples to have a church ceremony (or not) then a pot luck family style picnic (no gifts, as gifts are a way to pay back for the feast). Then plan that 10 years later, when you are better off, you can afford to have the celebration of your dreams at your anniversary.
[–]Simononhisway-2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
He shouldn't say her that 6k thing. Girls tend to want more than other girls get. He bites in his own (rat)tail. 😉