Are LTRs really worth it?

too_long_didnt_read · 2014-11-27T21:14:03+00:00

tl;dr - no

The only time they can be worth it is if you don't get married, don't live in a place where "common law marriage" bullshit exists, don't have kids, and the man is the higher earner. Then the woman knows the guy can walk if he's not happy and her lifestyle will take a hit of he does. Women in these circumstances are a lot more like /r/redpillwoman and are therefore easier to have a happier more successful LTR with. This however is a rare set of circumstances.

sealteamaus · 2014-11-27T22:53:40+00:00

having a relationship is great until you realize that it doesnt matter how much hard work you put in to your relationships they will never value the relationship like you do. then youll never want one again.

CurbedEnthusiasm · 2014-11-27T22:02:26+00:00

It's the flakiness that ruins it for me. It just seems that these days, maybe due to technology, society in general, or other factors, women just seem to be incredibly flaky and will say one thing, do another, etc. without any morals, disregard or integrity. It's just not worth it, imo.

dazedandconfusedrp · 2014-11-27T22:46:23+00:00

Ever spent a long time together with a girl you liked and thought you had something special together but after the break-up it was as if you had never met?

Answer to your question: no.

LordKahel · 2014-11-28T14:15:46+00:00

That a personal question . My answer would be not for me . I have been in a 9 year relationship , 2 year married. She was a nice girl, we are still are friends but everything i did in the relation i did it for her. We separated , she did not take me to the cleaner (she was really a nice girl but i could not give her what she wanted nor did i want to kill myself trying) .
Was the relationship worth it ? Yes i grew and learned alot in that relationship. Am i looking for another LTR , hell no . I learned all i needed to and now i am very happy being single. I have goals and long term plans for myself and i am very excited about them.

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2014-11-28T04:27:56+00:00

Depends on who you ask, where and when they live (i.e. what the surrounding culture is like)... and just as important when (in terms of the relationship) you ask them.

Some dude who just got married will probably tell you "YES" with absolute certainty.
Ask that same guy 5, 10 or 15 years later when he's in the midst of a nasty contentious divorce (or even during a shit-fest period w/o a divorce)... and you'll probably get a different answer.
A few years later when he has recently (and somewhat masochistically) "fallen in love again", ask him then and he'll likely change his answer back to "yes".
Fast forward again yet another few years, and he may change his answer yet again.

Everyone's experience in life is going to be different -- there are likely to be certain trends and probabilities in certain cultures, and even that can (and does) change over time: so the experience (i.e. success/failure ratio) of one generation is not necessarily applicable to another.

Currently in the western world, the modern "advanced" societies, the deck is stacked rather significantly against LTR's working out, especially for men. Our society currently sets little value on maintaining LTR's, and -- especially for women -- imposes few negative consequences, and in fact can be said to "reward" them for (even actively) breaking up LTR's; and on the opposite side -- for men -- the consequences of LTR's ending (whether actively or passively) are generally negative, at least in the short term.

TeutonicMurphy · 2014-11-28T00:17:24+00:00

Just curious as to what the age group is, OP?

Rage-Blanket · 2014-11-28T03:06:58+00:00

GomezdaSol · 2014-11-28T12:14:33+00:00

I know it sucks, but what sucks here really? You took the red pill - the little beauty that showed you what women were. So why are you mourning the loss of marriage/LTR? I have a plan about what to do about each need in turn. No single woman shaped utility is available to meet these, just as no job is for life, but I plan to portion out duties.

e.g. companionship * see your mates more * go to church or substitute * join a club like martial arts or book group (or start one)

motivation * join/start a community project * practice making promises and keeping promises * talk about project to strangers

sex * be straight with women - just sex, no funny business or GTFO * celibacy, (30+ 3yrs not phased) * porn (not recommended as you still get to labour under the illusion you are missing out somehow)

parenthood * be a good role model to all * practice setting and keeping boundaries with those around you * ~~literally adopt a kid~~ . . . The point is, a woman isn't going to touch you if you expect her to be pure, bonded to you forever, and responsible for upholding your expectations of 'wifey.' They know better, and men are trying to catch up. I don't know if I'll ever be able to get over the loss of the 'wifey' idea, but it doesn't feel as bad now I've dissected 'wifey' using MGTOW and can plan what to do about substituting the roles wifey played. Hope this helps someone.

Lytalm · 2014-11-28T18:21:40+00:00

I've given up on searching/wanting a woman in my life.

I'm not fully against being in a relationship later on, but be sure I'll be prepared if that happen.

My opion on LTR is : I prefer that then spinning plates, but I won't give my freedom to have it. I can live without it.

timoppenheimer · 2014-11-30T02:38:27+00:00

Unicorns exist, but they're so rare, you may as well pretend they don't.

The qualities you would want in a girl that would make her suitable for a LTR are hard to find in the female population. Your search for such a woman will be particularly hard because so many women pretend to be good LTR-material but have no intention of being good at LTR's.

IMO, LTR's are worth it if you find the perfect person. Otherwise, they're sort of annoying if you're with a woman.

Learn to love cock? Guys are pretty great.

nohangingout · 2014-12-07T21:44:01+00:00

Like other's have said, that's a decision you have to make for yourself, but my answer is: not really.

mingsan · 2014-11-27T20:36:08+00:00

Feminism has not really affected women who are deeply devoted Christians. Just a thought if you are still wanting to look. But I think almost every man is a better MGTOW.

Title	Are LTRs really worth it?
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Date	November 27, 2014 8:28 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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