Blue pill vs Red pill

blississolitude · 2020-09-02T01:03:45+00:00

Hmm.... are you proud of yourself? You jumped right to name-calling.

Not saying you could have a successful encounter there, and the first part was good stuff, but the second part was just antagonistic.

In a situation like this, you gotta ask yourself: What is your goal here?

Remember, nearly every man here was blue-pilled at one point. That's the world we live in. We are the ones that figured this shit out or stumbled into MGTOW somehow. I accidentally red-pilled myself because I was curious and open-minded, but red-pill information just makes so much more coherent sense and aligns with my experience of life. It explains women's behaviour so much better than "they're mysterious creatures but we love and sacrifice for them". No, they're not mysterious, they're short-sighted children that are not held accountable so they never grow up and take responsibility.

IdrinkandIknowXL · 2020-09-02T01:53:40+00:00

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Cursedwithknowing · 2020-09-02T01:23:57+00:00

The red pill resonates with people because we've seen it all with our own eyes. Getting away from this is like pretending that gravity isn't real. I was as blue pilled as they come, but once I saw the truth, I'd be a fool to go back.

Maximum_Afternoon · 2020-09-02T01:18:28+00:00

A slight rephrasing of top post: "If something bad happened to you involving women, don't talk about it."

Because he's not denying that a "bad encounter" might have happened. He's just saying even talking about it means you must have insecurities and you're toxic.

lonewolf2404 · 2020-09-02T02:25:29+00:00

Don’t talk about the red pill. Let other men find MGTOW and TRP themselves. They’re grown men and you’re not a rehab center to help them.

IdrinkandIknowXL · 2020-09-02T06:45:55+00:00

Ok, wtf is going on here tonight? There are wayyyyy too many comments from women apologists in here. I can smell the estrogen!

realChebz · 2020-09-02T08:20:09+00:00

I draw the line between "bashing women" and understanding their true nature. Why hate women for what they are? They can't change it. But at least men can understand it and make a rational decision based on facts rather than Disney fairy tale that we men are brainwashed with since birth.

As a MGTOW I probably think or care about women less than an average blue-pill man... they are simply not in my life. And I definitely don't have the energy to hate them... it's just indifference.

PrestigiousCarpet8 · 2020-09-02T10:26:32+00:00

I see a lot of people taking issue with your response. They are arguing essentially that you should simply ignore people like Jonathan or, at the very least, engage without "name-calling."

I disagree. Not speaking up when something needs to be said is a surefire way to worsen the situation in the long run. Things only go really bad because people fail to speak up when they start to go a little bad. MGTOW, while not rooted in preaching a gospel, does NOT preclude spreading the message. It is, in fact, noble to spread the truth you have encountered, even if getting others to listen is difficult.

As to name-calling, I agree that it isn't helpful. I understand the impetus though, especially after Jonathan erroneously implied that bashing women was unjustified after an injury. He was in fact white knighting and simping. Note that I've labeled his behavior and not him. It's a more effective way to make a point than labeling the person. Most effective, however is turn his argument around without addressing him directly. For instance, I would have told him that:

"It isn't insecurity, but rather observation of a double standard that hurts everybody. Women are permitted to have standards while men are chastised for them. I don't need to have been burned to recognize the inherent bias in this position or to conclude that it's increasing prevalence in society is damaging. In addition, accurately labeling a behavior is indeed a healthy way to deal with a problem because identification and avoidance are the first steps in rectifying a wrong.

I am better now that I've removed that toxicity of double standards from my life. I'm no longer attempting to meet an ever-changing and unrealistic goal of masculinity set by people who don't want to observe any standards for themselves. Finding others who observe the same flawed standards is simply a result of observing them myself. So, in response, I have done better, Nat least better than you have, by insisting the people in my life, at the very least, live up to the same standards they expect me to live up to."

Mirrored_Magpie · 2020-09-02T01:14:13+00:00

The pills I take are yellow

learnfemalenature · 2020-09-02T02:11:29+00:00

Lmao who’s mans are those. Funny ass exchange. Blue pillers just don’t get “it”

Phantom_Spark · 2020-09-02T11:45:21+00:00

The same way being aware of men who are con artists and can’t be trusted doesn’t mean you hate men. Knowledge and awareness doesn’t necessitate hate. If it does then which is he? A willfully ignorant fool? Or an intelligent hateful bigot? LOL.

someevilwhitemen · 2020-09-02T12:19:13+00:00

orwell is explaining that very well

censoring changing words meaning is just about removing our capacity to think by ourselves

thinking by ourselves make generate bad idea or thinking , but it's the only way to come to the truth and so ultimately to be free

GroundbreakingAd7585 · 2020-09-02T15:10:05+00:00

I don't hate anyone, even those who screwed me over. It's to much work to hate. But learning from my experiences isn't hate.

Buchwild · 2020-09-02T04:30:45+00:00

The truth is, both parties are right. When your first resort is to name call you've already lost the argument and you've resorted to name calling and petty language. The first guy is also correct, you shouldn't be in a "hate" group that classification us broad

Title	Blue pill vs Red pill
Author	Whirrlz
Upvotes	284
Comments	38
Date	September 2, 2020 12:51 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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