Children.

Gr8bellsoffire · 2018-04-03T03:12:27+00:00

The problem with children, is that the gatekeepers are all women.

1st, your wife/gf/surrogate/etc all are women. They will always get bare minimum 50% of the time with that kid...forever. That 50% they will absolutely spend doing everything they can not only ruin your kid against you, but also to hurt you.

2nd. Any and every family related agency is stocked solely with man hating women. Take it from someone who knows. My ex only has to walk in their office file a 1 sent4nce paper of lies, and I have to spend thousands defending myself, and countless hours getting paperwork, statements, etc. My ex doesn't ever have to do any of that.

3rd. Family courts. When I seperated from my ex, we've had a 1yr long seperation, two diff court orders, both of which forbid bfs/gfs around the kid. Guess what. I spent 2 years abiding by that, while my ex had no less than 7 diff guys in the span of 1 year. So get lawyer take her to court right? Slam dunk right?.....wrong. they don't care. Not only did she get away with it, the judge actually said that me and 6 of those men were lying and that my ex was telling the truth. I wish I was joking. THEY WILL NOT LET YOU SUCCEED.

I understand your desire for kids. I love mine more than anything. But it comes at a very very steep cost. And now with every other weekend, thanks to our wonderful family courts, my kids are being turned against me, while my ex is now on bf10.

I make the best for my kids when I have them, but I know I'm fighting a losing battle. They will be ruined by their mothers and there isn't a god damn thing I can do stop it. So rather than dwell on things I can't control, accept that it's fucked and focus on myself.

If you hear nothing else from me brother, listen closely. If you have any kids you are giving up your future into the power of a woman, and with that power they will not only ruin you...but that kid you so desperately want. That thought of raising a kid going fishing, watching their first steps, taking them camping, etc...those are illusions. The reality is that you will be one of, in my case 10, different guys doing those things with your kid...but you will be the one suffering financially and emotionally for it. Don't be me brother.

You never want to hear the phone call from 7 guys telling you that your toddler, who is your world, calls them daddy too.

I'm laying it on thick, and maybe sharing more than I intend to, but your hope is an illusion, and the system runs on idiots having the same illusion you, and i, have.

The better path is to find a better outlet for that. That outlet is mgtow.

DangZagnut · 2018-04-03T02:06:25+00:00

Why do you want a child when, in fact, you’re technically legally a child.

Global_MGTOW · 2018-04-03T03:11:01+00:00

There was a MGTOW guy here who paid a surrogate mother to have his child. He has all the legal rights and doesn't have to worry about paying child support or alimony. He said it was a very expensive process but I wonder, is it cheaper than paying child support, alimony and still not being able to see your child?

ChadThundercock7 · 2018-04-03T02:14:49+00:00

it's part of the human nature to have offpring, you are young now...

focus on study, get a decent paid job, then after all that, why don't consider adoption? there are many children in this world who really need some love, a home, and a good father (you).

DavidShekelburg · 2018-04-03T02:28:08+00:00

Renouncing violence for all living beings, harming not even a one, you would not wish for offspring, so how a companion? Wander alone like a rhinoceros.

from the Rhinocerus Sutta

I've read it many times and just now realized his reason for not wanting offspring is he renounced violence against all beings. I.e. forcing someone into this shithole of a world is violence against them.

caem123 · 2018-04-03T03:19:25+00:00

In some cultures, a man provides for the children of his sisters because he is more sure those children are genetically related to him than the children that come from his own wife.

Surrogate mother is an option too. NY state allows it. Many states don't.

CapnPoot · 2018-04-03T02:11:07+00:00

Its a tough situation man. Youre still young, so you inevitably still have some fairy dust in you, but as time will teach you, having a child in this day in age is simply too dangerous.

You will naturally crave the biological imperative, but im sure what happened to many people here will happen to you as well: the understanding of women today will be enough for you to know that having children at all will probably be cruel to them, thus leading you to staying mgtow

Title	Children.
Author	Someweirdweeb
Upvotes	2
Comments	12
Date	April 3, 2018 2:04 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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