As a muslim i find it interesting whenever you non-muslims bring islam into the mgtow debate, but it's also annoying because i dont think you understand how it works. Ive kind of been mgtow since a kid, it's my natural state of being. so ill try shed some light on it. I genuinely just dont like the idea of islam being brought into this, as im a muslim that loves the spiritual aspects of islam,and sees it as a personal private thing, i am aware islam can be politicssed by ignorant people. there are politics inside islam but this has more to do marriage laws, civil disputes etc not the whole "CONVERT OR DEATH" bullshite that has everyone triggered constantly.

Mgtow & ORIGINAL mgtowers is pretty cool to me, because as a muslim living in the west, it gives me a cool narrative, that allows me to get the fuck away from society and people. build my own home in nature somewhere, take pride, contentment and pleasure in the simple shit i like, video games, movies and anime. Not have to worry about dealing with people, or conforming to society and the rest of the sheep and slaves who have no fucking clue whats going on. but when islam is brought in, im like, i think its time for me to peace-out from here, everywhere is just getting political.

I'm sure most of you are sick of society and fake-news and all these little fake narratives in the news about islam coming to steal your women etc. so try and be a little open minded and dont give in the hate and fear for awhile xDD

Islam is gynocentric and patriarchal. In other words, the west abandoned god, we didnt. God keeps us in check, keeps the men in check and the women in check. imo it keeps all human beings accountable and in check. I genuinely believe in an after-life and a creator, so this isnt just like a bunch of rules i need to follow, i want to follow and I subjectively see the wisdom behind it. Likewise this is the same with other muslims. Ofcourse not all muslims are perfect or the same, or share the same opinions.

but the fact remains, accountability. Islam encourages marriage to be easy, a non-expensive dowry, good virtues towards in-laws. It discourages divorce HEAVILY, is a social taboo. the wife doesnt need to work, but thats her right, and she has a right to education, its a mans responsiblity to provide, after he keeps his money and she keeps her money and the man is not allowed to touch. So this causes a laxed environment, no conflict, the woman has rights to work, but ultimately working is bullshit, life is short for us and work is used by captialist to turn people into dogs. feminism brainwashed Western women to believe the bs that they NEED to work to define their value, basically. all that independant woman bs.

Going back to accountability, even if the woman is not attracted to her husband etc paradise offers rewards, which i truly believe in, that counter act that. life is temporary again. So she doesnt need to wait that long lmao. also adultery is stoning for a reason, a deterrent to keep everyone in check, again accountability that pre-dates islam back to the old testament. And god knows and watching all. basically.

also important to note, "‘If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses [and does not come], and he spends the night angry with her, the angels will curse her until morning.’”

I had a problem with this in the past, but nowadays i can see the wisdom behind it, we are talking about husband and wife, if the wife refuses to have intercourse, then the onus and accountability is on her, why did she even marry him in the first place. shes being socially shamed.

And no there is no forced marriages and there is no child marriages, no one knew the age of the young girl who married the founder of islam, there are multiple ages from 6 years old 9-12-15-19. Thats like 5 different variations, it's convenient to spin tales of otherwise. Also the prophet muhammed married a widow who was almost twice his age. So this is just cultural clashes.

Women dont want responsiblity. They are freerer and happier without it, not all women, but as a general rule. This is extremely discouraged in the west. Women need to be this that and the third. I think alot of female western rebelling has got to do with two things, one; western institutions have become privatised and pushing agendas, secondly women in their defence have been extremely objectively via physically. Boob jobs, make-up, plastic surgery, womens clothing, all that materialism has funkt their brains to the point that they are now doing the opposite. I know alot of you are starting to bring in the burqa and shit lmaoo into this, and basically the burqa is used as a big fuck you, or a i give up, if you see these western women wearing it, its just used to be seen as edgy and radical.