From r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen. 'When a man objectifies me, I get really upset, unless he's hot.'

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[–]TheLastMgtow9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

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Truth is there are more and more normal attractive men joining the ranks of MGTOW, our detractors used to call us losers and creeps but this will soon become impossible for them to deny the facts.

Also yeah, I know what you are talking about, especially as a tall, muscular, chiseled White guy with blonde hair and blue eyes in China, here attractive girls literally throw themselves at me if I am not on the defensive. Unfortunately for them I'm not interested.

Even though #metoo hasn't taken here and is being actively censored by the Chinese government, also they throw feminists in prison, you've got to give them that, you never know what could change in the future, since they can accuse you 30 years down the line now back in the West.

My argument still stands though, society needs all men to maintain it or it will all go down south and we will be back to the dark ages sooner than later. Unfortunately women have made it that more and more men have stopped giving a damn, so things will go very bad soon enough.

[–]TheLastMgtow6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

our detractors used to call us losers and creeps but this will soon become impossible for them to deny the facts.

Everytime you see a guy shaming mgtow he is a loser. Those who actually have an argument are just naive or inexperienced. But those who just shame are really some needy cucks, and a lot of them didnt even get laid they are just projecting so they feel good about themselves. They have no honor. Why would you be angry or arrogant to men who dont want nothing to do with women, unless you were some insecure cuck. Sounds like repressed homosexuality. "Ohh, you dont want to stick your penis where i want to stick my penis, then you are a loser" GTFO.

My argument still stands though, society needs all men to maintain it or it will all go down south and we will be back to the dark ages sooner than later.

Too late for that. Too many desperate dogs. You and lot of mgtows talk from a perspective of abundance. Half of the men are desperate and instead of taking women's rights away they will become submissive cucks, watch it. It will get worse, and it will collapse. Its islam that will replace it. Islam will arrive as a liberating army.

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[–]TheLastMgtow3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Islam overall and on the long term is better. The fallacy is that we tend to compare things in the moment, we dont see that western gynocentrism leads to Imortan Joe, we simply dont see it, but muslims see it, and they say its a question of time...We also tend to have distorted views of our civilization because we ignore the men who were sacrificed to build it through slavery, or cuckery. We all like to thing we are the ultimate Chads who are the winners of all this, and that our tech is awesome and stuff, we dont really like to think of the bad details, or the fact that for these conditions to exist a lot of men were enslaved, and mistreated.

However islam has a similar issue. Although it is better for the individual man when you zoom out on the timeline. When the numbers get big, the caliphates implode, the so called Taifas emerge (small minor factions), and there is a long total war again to see who is the stronger, or who is the chosen by Allah. And that usually turns everything to complete shit.

It is said that this was on purpose and that muhammad knew that it is inevitable, that perpetual cycles of war is the only way to go. It comes down to overpopulation.

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We also tend to have distorted views of our civilization because we ignore the men who were sacrificed to build it through slavery, or cuckery. We all like to thing we are the ultimate Chads who are the winners of all this, and that our tech is awesome and stuff, we dont really like to think of the bad details, or the fact that for these conditions to exist a lot of men were enslaved, and mistreated.

Things are made in such a way that you will get fucked in the ass and you will be cucked but its fine because they give you toys and shit. In islam you live with nothing, a few clothes, you grow your beard, you have your family (that is yours, not Chad), your ak47, your animals, but you dont get cucked and your happiness doesnt turn around your sports team, and your slavery is not justified with luxury for women or questionable scientific development (on the backs of cucked men). If you dont mind getting cucked and treated below standards for some toys and fireworks, then its a different story. I dont mind having nothing and keeping my honor. The sheep justify their situation allowing themselves to be deceived by how great Chad civilization is going however, so its all good. They dont understand that the better and faster certain societies evolve the worst it is for them, and their freedom.

[–]TheLastMgtow1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

[–]CursingWhileNursing1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

And look who is planning and building those buildings (and everything else) in those countries. White men from the west, payed with oil money.

70% of the citizens of Saudi-Arabia are not working, but living from generous give-aways of the rulers. Also, most of the manual work is done by foreign workers, most of them living like slaves.

What do you think will happen when that oil runs out and the royal familiy can not make such generous payments to the people there?

Also, there is a reason that muslims, who make up 23% of the worlds population, only collected 12 Nobel prizes and only 4 of them being for actual scientific work. Oh, and the winner of one of those 4 was actually declared a "non-muslim" per special degree by the pakistani government and hed to flee to Italy.

Nope, Islam is not an option, it will turn the whole world into a goant shithole faster than you can say "death cult".

[–]TheLastMgtow2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And look who is planning and building those buildings (and everything else) in those countries. White men from the west, payed with oil money.

Very narrow observation. Plenty of other places in the world with better environment and less conditions. Are you going to say that other countries such as Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, that are majority muslim were built by white men? Non sense. Saudi Arabia was built by men from all over the world. White men, chinese, arab, indian, and so on. And saudi arabia is still half secular. So its not full sharia.

Also, there is a reason that muslims, who make up 23% of the worlds population, only collected 12 Nobel prizes and only 4 of them being for actual scientific work. Oh, and the winner of one of those 4 was actually declared a "non-muslim" per special degree by the pakistani government and hed to flee to Italy.

I can give you some examples of very successful civilizations especially scientifically that you would not want to live in. Or you would imagine yourself as one of the elite so its all good. The reason why the world advanced so much and created so much was because in the west was all on the backs of men, you have to question yourself why islam conquered half the world in 20 years, because it was essentially a liberation for men. You have to see the bigger picture, its not because the Roman Empire was successful for 1 century that it was fun for all men who died before they were even 20 as legionaires (and they had to serve 10 years). Roman empire, or cuck empire, where men when they get back home only get scrap women who are already pregnant by someone else. Its very hard to discuss this with most people because all they see is nice buildings still standing and the military and scientific accomplishments of those empires, they dont see what was going on for that to happen. Basically if you like that then you deserve what is happening to you right now in the west, yes you deserve it all. Dont say you want the cake and eat it too. If you want to be cucked in exchange for toys and stuff then go for it. I dont mind a slow advancing society without pressure on men. Thats actually what i want. Who cares if we dont have shit, but you want shit, but you dont want to be the one getting cucked and deceive. The west is not what happened 50 years ago, the west is not what happened 30 years ago, the west is what you see now, look at it, you and your sons will be slaves. You cant be selective about what part of history you like in a certain empire or civilization. You have to understand that the western society works with cycles and rises and downfalls, what you are doing is being selective and looking only to the rises, not the downfall. You have to look at the whole thing. The west inevitably ends in hypergamy and the death of all that you built and all you care for, including your descendents. The west depends on a huge ammount of confusion in men and suffering. The west depends on a crazy ammount of consumerism and materialism and you are not even happy. The west ultimately destroys itself. Its biblical, it goes back to Egyp, and Babylon. Who cares about nobel prizes. Fuck that. They even gave a nobel prize to Obama. Who cares about scientific development when you are nothing but a cuck. Look where the science is taking you, tech is being used to enslave you even further. Lmao.

Nope, Islam is not an option, it will turn the whole world into a goant shithole faster than you can say "death cult".

Islam is the third version of judaism, its an evolution. Study it well. And see that the 3 religions are connected. If islam did not exist it was about to be created. After your resources lower, and women stay demanding, your men demoralized, and after your nuclear holocaust, islam is the only thing that survives in the desert your western civilization will create, mark my words.

[–]TheLastMgtow1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Of course there is more scientific development and all kinds of development in a society that follows machievallian politics to keep you productive. Of course if they weaponize politics, economy and religion to keep you a slave you will do whatever it takes. You will even believe the whole bullshit and defend it like you are just doing. Because your tech and toys was worth all the shit other men went through (as long as its not me right). So that wins any argument, we are superior because we have bigger idols and our women are more slutty. We have taller buildings and better toys, and more nobel prizes, and more war medals therefore we are better. You deserve to become the bonobo that you are becoming. You deserve it.

You cant picture that life with simplicity was actually much better. You dont understand how many men were deceived. And that even pussy in the west is made in such away to keep you a slave and keep you creating stuff to make those who are above you stronger and richer to cuck you even more. This is the main problem with western men, you are slaves that create slaves, you were domesticated and you are so smart that you create tech for those that enslave you, but you cant see that you are slaves... Its as if you were genetically engineered to stay smart but stay too stupid and dumb to see the bigger, or think for yourselves actually...

[–]CursingWhileNursing1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

For petes sake, use paragraphs. Who is supposed to read that?

Islam is the third version of judaism, its an evolution. Study it well.

I have. I have also read a lot of the hadiths, although I am far away from having sighted all of the material.

And your claim islam being an evolution to judaism is a fucking ~~joke~~ lie. Not that taqiya is a thing, nooo... Islam is a bloody death cult which does not even recognise the status of a human being for non-muslims. Even the fucking Kairo Islamic "Human Rights Declaration" acknowledges that. Everyone who is a human has human rights, true, but only muslims have the full status as human being.

Islam is also extremely antieducational, which is one of the fucking reasons why islamic countries are so bloody backwarts. Sure, Saudi-Arabia is building "universities" and what are they teaching there? Quran studies... What is to expect from a believe were religious scholars even have the last word about every new invention and scientific work? Men who probably have not even the slightest idea how the world truly works.

Do you know why polio is still not extinct? Because muslim countries like Pakistan and the Niger kill people who want to vaccinate the children there... vaccinations are evil western magic and haram.

And see that the 3 religions are connected.

Oh, I know quite well how they are connected. It is hard not to see it, because mohammed the child fucker stole the shit out of those two religions and their scriptures. And apart from that he was busy most of the time killing them. Oh, sure there were times when he was relatively nice to them... which was in his Meccan time, he had not a lot of followers and resources and he needed to be nice to them.

But later... well, how about mohammed breaking the non-aggression pakt with Medina which he not only broke so easily, but also boasted about how breaking a tready with non-muslims would be fine. How am I supposed to believe muslims after knowing this, hm?

And then he had sooo much fun killing all the christians and the jews he could find. "Kill them were you find them..." And this bullshit about that one verse "saving one human being is like saving the whole world? Sura 5, if I recall correctly? Do I need to cite the whole context here? Do I need to tell you that this was directly specifically at the jews and that "a human life" actually means "a muslim life" and that the very same sura speaks about killing jews and chopping off their hands and feet? But they are sooo connected.

How about the muslim version of the apocalypse, when according to the quran even trees and rocks scream "Oh muslim, there is a jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"?

And while the holy scriptures of the jews and christians actually allow for a peaceful co-existence of different religions, islam does explicitly not. Because the djihad can be only over when the whole world is united in the house of islam and the last non-muslim is either converted, dead or vegs out as dhimmi, as third class citizen without any rights. Most violence in the bible is descriptice, while most of the violence in the quran is prescriptive and that damn book is full of it.

Uuuuh, too sad I actually have read the damn book, taqiya only works on people who have not done that...

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Yes islam is an evolution from christianity. Whether christianity is an evolution from judaism we dont know. Im not a muslim so i didnt read the quran entirely, i read parts. I read more about the war and history of islam and of the world. And that was what i was trying to argue with you. I dont know if you read the other comment i made. Maybe you are responding to it now. Yes what i gave you are facts. I dont like the way things are but thats how they are. I would prefer that Christianity worked well for all of us, or i would prefer that gender equality worked too. But unfortunately we are more complex than that. If you want to debate with me we can debate but know that im on your side, and i have nothing to win with this, and things will eventually get too complicated, dont hate me for the reality of our human nature or for facts, try to counter them. If you accept the challenge then great. Yes im playing a bit the devil advocate of islam, but thats because its easy to say that islam is the bad guy, but do we have a valid long term alternative?

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And your claim islam being an evolution to judaism is a fucking joke lie. Not that taqiya is a thing, nooo... Islam is a bloody death cult which does not even recognise the status of a human being for non-muslims. Even the fucking Kairo Islamic "Human Rights Declaration" acknowledges that. Everyone who is a human has human rights, true, but only muslims have the full status as human being.

All abrahamic religions are death cults. Islam is not exception. It can get worse. Maybe things will get uglier and we will create something even more sophisticated than islam, if we keep fucking the planet im sure we will go down that road.

Islam is also extremely antieducational, which is one of the fucking reasons why islamic countries are so bloody backwarts.

Thats because in the desert the luxury of science can get you killed. Look, im as anti-muslim as you, im just trying to analyze this rationally, you seem very emotional. You are taking islam out of context. Of course if shit hits the fan, you gonna have some imortan joe coming up, thats how islam emerged, its the third attempt of humans to cope. You have to study history, and evolutionary biology to understand why islam was created.

The reason why muslims are very confident about the victory of islam is because they know that sooner or later, the world will become a desert and islam will thrive...

Want to prevent that desert from happening. Read what i said in the other comment...

Do you know why polio is still not extinct? Because muslim countries like Pakistan and the Niger kill people who want to vaccinate the children there... vaccinations are evil western magic and haram.

Ok you are saying that as if im defending islam. Im trying to explain to you that islam exists because civilization and humans dont simply interact happily with the environment and between themselves. But more like a plague that eats everything on its way. If it wasn't islam we would be talking about Flying Spaghetti, with similar set of rules. This is why you will lose this war, because you cant look into yourself, and you also are unable to learn from your enemy.

It is hard not to see it, because mohammed the child fucker stole the shit out of those two religions and their scriptures.

Muhammad was a warlord from arabia, a realist. He was in the middle of the apocalyptic war between the Persian and East Rome. If you will keep underestimating islam then you will fall like all others in history. Its easy to point your fingers at islam. Thats how you will be whipped for the next war, that even if you win, it will be a defeat for men.

I say we defeat our masters first, and feminism and then we easily defeat islam, or you think men will buy into your feminism or decadent society? No man wants that. Fighting capable Europeans are becoming muslims. Until you look into yourself, you will lose.

And apart from that he was busy most of the time killing them.

Yes. Half of islam is based on offensive jihad. Because defensive tactics or pacifism failed horribly in their history. Go look at it. You are the reason why we are losing this war. Because our worst enemy is inside our borders, and has indoctrinated us with feminism.

. well, how about mohammed breaking the non-aggression pakt with Medina which he not only broke so easily, but also boasted about how breaking a tready with non-muslims would be fine.

That was the peace of Ubaydiyah i think. Yeah. That is another advantage islam has over us. Its just a question of time.

See you are analyzing this all through an emotional lenses, and although its an accurate analysis, you dont seem to want to see why we are losing this war.

And then he had sooo much fun killing all the christians and the jews he could find. "Kill them were you find them..." And this bullshit about that one verse "saving one human being is like saving the whole world? Sura 5, if I recall correctly?

You dont seem to understand the context in which islam emerged, and how quickly it spread, i mean the reason why it spread so fast. Yes, the christians and the jews were like the feminists and tradcons of those times. Christian religion does not prevent cucking, and does not punish women or keep women from destroying society. All war is deception, all war is immoral, its war, especially in 600 ad. Do you think mgtow would survive in those times? Do you think you could afford to think that way or talk about such philosophy? What really prevents women from destroying society is a patriarchy...But you are being naive, thinking you can have the cake and eat it too...

How about the muslim version of the apocalypse, when according to the quran even trees and rocks scream "Oh muslim, there is a jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"?

I dont understand now why you are defending jews or christians. I thought we were doing a pragmatic analysis of islam as a system, regardless of its morals. You were before saying that it is bad for science, and now you are defending jews and christians as if they are actually good for science. Make up your mind. Even atheists are bad for science because they actually end up killing each other and cucking each other...

taqiya only works on people who have not done that...

This is why we will lose the war. We cant even talk with each other pragmatically and acknowledge who our enemy is. Im not a muslim, i was born a christian. Christianity is really bad for you as an individual. If you want to be a christian we already lost, if you want to be an a feminist and defend the west we already lost. If you dont acknowledge the reason behind islam being created and why it spread like fire, then we already lost.

[–]CursingWhileNursing1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The desert keeps islam from science. Sure. I wonder what keeps muslims all over the world, which do not live in desert areas, from science then, the desert in their heads?

Under no circumstances could it be the fact that the quran is seen as the literal word of god, that it also is supposed to explain everything muslims need to know about the world and that "bending numbers" is deemed haram and a "demonic act", according to AlGhazali (who singlehandedly ended the age of enlightement in the caliphate. It's the desert.

And islam was created as the means of a failing wanna-be warlord who needed something to make people follow him. He made it up on the go and invented what ever rule he needed at the moment. And even back then, the world was not in a constant state of war, there were prolonged time of peace. Just not when muslims were around.

And no, I am not defending jews and christians. I really wonder why a quote from the quran, that commands muslims to kill all jews, as "defending jews and christians".

But no, christianity and jewdaism are actually not death cults. They have a life after death and heaven and hell and all that stuff, but they actually value the life, at least that of their followers (no matter what people made out of this). Neither the bible, nor the tora say "Convert everyone who is not of your faith, kill them or let them life a miserable life as defacto slaves."

Also, if you had read the quran, for a muslim life in this world actually does not matter. It does not matter if you do terrible things, it does not matter if you waste your life, nothing does matter, as long as you stick to your faith. Because for a muslim, the real life starts after death. Which is, by the way, another reason muslims give are not exactly of scientific mind. That and the desert, of course.

And why we are loosing this war? Because we have too many leftists and generally idiots here who have no idea about islam, who think it is a "religion like any other" and who fall for the lies told to them by muslims and politicians. And because muslims give a fuck about life, not even their own and dying in the name of their religion is the best thing that could ever happen to a muslim.

Sure, blow yourself up, die in droves in suicide attacks, who cares? And since they usually breed like rabbits, they have no fucking problem in replacing those losses and then sending the next generation of their children in to the fire as well. Who gives a fuck about a dead child, hell, in 1985 iranian troops even used waves of children to clear minefields in the middle east (look up Operation Ramadan) and I bet this was not the first or the last time this happened. And this is why islam is winning. That and the advancing deserts, of course.

[–]TheLastMgtow1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Again nobody is denying what you are saying here. You are again seeing me as an advocate of islam. I only stated facts, i dont like islam. So I dont care, you can say whatever about islam. Im stating facts. Im telling you why islam is strong, why it is winning, and why we are losing. All i hear from you is "boohoo islam is bad, islam this, prophet muhammad bad", do you think i dont know that? I are very naive if you think you would be a benevolent king in the middle of 600 ac desert amidst total war from two big empires. Yes you would be different and you would usher in your feminist utopia, or western perfect system that doesnt even work for us.

Yes christianity is a death cult in its definition. And it doesnt even work for the average joe, its almost like communism, it doesnt work in practice. They believe everything here on earth doesnt count, what matters is the after life, thats a death cult. So basically, if your wife cheats on you, the king kills your father, etc...etc... you must forgive your enemies and you cant kill them, because only in the afterlife they will be punished. Thats a death cult, and that is the reason why christianity fails. Christianity is a victim cult. It is a coward and weak cult. Thats why women dont respect christians, women know they only need to pretend shit and they will cuck you anyways, thats why christianity failed. When christianity worked was because of reforms and state laws that were actually not christian and oppressive to average joe. Islam has specific commands, and laws to make a society function, they have punishments.

So i would say that islam is more down to earth than christianity. Christianity is all based on the reward in the after life. And that God forgives everything too, but also dont sin because god doesnt like it, but maybe he forgives you anyways.

"Convert everyone who is not of your faith"

Thats exactly what christianity did.

But no, christianity and jewdaism are actually not death cults. They have a life after death and heaven and hell and all that stuff, but they actually value the life.

Christianity is the percursor of islam. Jesus said i didnt bring peace but the sword. According to muslims, this means that Jesus was a step before islam, and i understand what they mean. Christians could not be violent and wage direct war against the roman empire, they had to be subversive. Thousands of christians died in the colosseum as martyrs. Islam seems to be what christianity could not be at the time. But this is just my opinion.

Also, if you had read the quran, for a muslim life in this world actually does not matter.

Yeah christianity is pretty much the same. Although christianity motivates men to be slaves and naive, with the promise of reward in the afterlife, or being saved. Islam is more machiavellian, and does not tolerate weaknesses and doesnt care. As if christianity didnt work, therefore god sent a warlord to actually do solve things the hard way. Christians are more selfrighteous than muslims. Muslims believe they must act or do something to prevent evil, even if they need to become evil themselves. Christianity is too passive, and thats the reason why islam emerged.

Which is, by the way, another reason muslims give are not exactly of scientific mind.

Yes islam is mostly stagnant science. But they still produce science, its just slower. I already explained you that science and tech are not that important to life. Especially when that science and tech is turned against you.

I already explained that before. You dont seem to want to deal with the fact that our science is making us more draconian and more evil towards each other the more we advance. You are going to end up killing each other because of science. If it depended on science alone you gonna end up in a concentration camp. You have cognitive dissonance, one time you defend christianity the other time you defend science.

And why we are loosing this war? Because we have too many leftists and generally idiots here who have no idea about islam, who think it is a "religion like any other" and who fall for the lies told to them by muslims and politicians

Are you sure they dont know about islam? I think they know. I think they ally with islam because they hate the way things are going. Leftists are naive broken men, but they are not stupid, they know what islam is. They are just really angry people who dont understand the bigger picture, just like you. Yes there are idiots, but most of those people you see in the media they are virtue signalling when they defend islam.

So your only enemy is islam? If islam is gone then its all fixed and we are going to be happy again? Think again sunshine, think. There is something mgtows have been warning for a while. Read Oswald Spengler, read the fate of empires. Watch the Mouse Utopia Experiment. Ok? Do yourself a favour. Islam is not even a problem if you take women's rights away, but that would imply you would adopt a lot of the things muslims do. Thats why im saying, learn with your enemy, see why they are winning, there must be something they are doing better than you. But you dont want that, you want to eat the cake and have it too. You want your fellow men to be cucked and enslaved and have basically no respect and no authority in society, you want to have free women and science and toys YET you also want to defeat muslims. Look at south korea and japan, they have no migrants, they are going down too.

who fall for the lies told to them by muslims and politicians.

Yes. You know why you have those politicians like Merkel? Because you gave the vote to women. And you thought it would be nice for the rest of the world to adopt the same lunacy. End that, and you have a chance, and do it quickly. You would have less of those politicians if only men voted.

muslims give a fuck about life, not even their own and dying in the name of their religion is the best thing that could ever happen to a muslim.

Again more emotional outbursts and crying. I dont care about muslims either. Yes muslims are bad, but they win and survive. We dont. So take your head out of your ass and think. Just think.

in 1985 iranian troops even used waves of children to clear minefields in the middle east

I knew about that. Iranians won the war, or at least they survived. Thats it, there is no moral in war. We can say whatever we want here of the muslims, and how bad they are, that won't make us win the war, because thats the reason why they win, they dont care.

And this is why islam is winning. That and the advancing deserts, of course.

Exactly. So whats your plan? Investing in science? Giving more rights to women? Complain? Is there maybe a thing or two you should learn from muslims? Just like the Roman Empire learned from christians? Your whole text is a sign of defeat because you are almost irrational, and you cant even think.

[–]CursingWhileNursing1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Exactly. So whats your plan? Investing in science? Giving more rights to women? Complain? Is there maybe a thing or two you should learn from muslims? Just like the Roman Empire learned from christians? Your whole text is a sign of defeat because you are almost irrational, and you cant even think.

See, after reading that other comment from you, I've actually thought that this is one of those instances were you at least can agree to disagree. And were you might actually find that there are more similarities than differences.

Apparently I was wrong. You could not resist, couldn't you... I do not share your opinion, I do not come to the same conclusions, therefore I must be a cuck and an idiot.

So what is your plan, genius? Apparently to roll to ones back, signal defeat and join them. Because I have not seen one single attempt to a solution in your rantings so far. The only thing they boil down to are is basically "Islam way more reckless, islam stronger, islam better, us lose!"

Well, how about not importing more and more muslims? How about kicking those immigrants out that are not supposed to stay here? How about not allowing them to bring islam into politics? That would at least be a start. But hey, let's just give up instead and declare the caliphate right now, it will come anyway. Along with the desert.

[–]TheLastMgtow1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, not at all. I just think you are trying to rescue the same civilization that screwed you over. You should know by now that it is a scam.

So what is your plan, genius? Apparently to roll to ones back, signal defeat and join them. Because I have not seen one single attempt to a solution in your rantings so far. The only thing they boil down to are is basically "Islam way more reckless, islam stronger, islam better, us lose!"

My plan is similar to TFM plan. Take women's rights away, take them out of politics, of education, and segregate workplace for women and men. Give different education to boys, tell them about femae nature. Give different education to women tell them about their role in society. Close the borders, let the foreign races in Europe slowly assimilate or fade away, don't attack them, at least half of them will side with you if you only take women's rights away. In less than a decade the economy will significantly improve. The muslims that are in your country will leave islam and will understand that the problem of feminism in the west was a necessary evil/experience for us to know the truth, and thats how islam is defeated. You cant beat an idea, you have to create a better idea.

The problem with this is, that things will have to get worse. And for things to get worse men have to resist their temptation of fixing things and be captain save a hoes, especially now, they will shit all over you anyways. Men must withdraw and make an economic and social guerrilla war, as we are already doing, mgtow. We must then regroup, and when the time is ripe for action we take over.

Things must be done in such a way that women never again take over society, thats why this is a very crucial time in history. Thats why religions were created, so to keep the gynocentric cycle from destroying society. Thats why islam was created. By attacking islam without solving or understanding the problem is handing over a victory to it, and they win rightfully so and for good. Things will eventually get more ugly, and i see a lot of european men who are strong men, converting to islam.

I know you are tired of muslims and you cant stand them because your country is being invaded. But this would not have happened if women never got their rights, or in other hand, if you have adopted some of the ideas islam actually has. Sun Tzu would say that islam already won, because in the end who wins is the one who has more moral for war. And there is a reason for those who have more moral to have more moral, and a reason why european men are demoralized. Nobody wants to be a cuck, nobody is simply whipped or paid to fight, therefore men won't fight for Europe.

Islam is the lesser of the two evils because things can get much worse in the west. Think about techno concentration camps for men. You think women would not push for that. They would. Do you think islam would tolerate that? No.

Well, how about not importing more and more muslims? How about kicking those immigrants out that are not supposed to stay here?

Thats exactly what this gynocentric society wants you to feel. They imported them in the first place to make pressure on you and make both of you fight, while the females mate with the winners. If you do that history will repeat itself, and islam will win, if not now, it will win next century. As i told you before, no feminism = no migrants. They are there because your system needs male disposability, to keep things going. You are in the mouse utopia experiment.

If you doubt me, look at Japan and South Korea. Both are dying, and very low birth rates. And no migrants.

That would at least be a start.

That would be start of your death and replacement. A civil war in your country, where men fight again against men. And in the end things will repeat itself, women will become even stronger after, because you didnt have the balls again to put them in their place, you rather fight other men and enslave other men.

But hey, let's just give up instead and declare the caliphate right now, it will come anyway. Along with the desert.

Absolutely. If the question is you get enslaved in a draconian technodictatorship or you live a simple life in a poor house with an ak47 and a family, and your animals, i think the choice is easy. But of course, dont think about your own good, think about the tech and all the cool things that will happen if we keep living as cucks, because they might actually happen but you will be enslaved. Perhaps in the future females can have the entire galaxy having successfully domesticated the human male just like we did to cows. And that my brother, is what islam would never do. There is more hope in islam than some 1984 shit. But "no no way, all for the brave new world, im just a man who doesnt mind being enslaved and abused if that means the brave new world will have nice tech, even if that means i put myself and all other men under the bus, and the world itself gets fucked in the process."

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Yup, the situation in the West is equally fucked up. Just look what is happening here in Germany...

I mean, here the arabs and the muslims are still the people who are not working. Add to this an increasing number of people who have realised that a life as a leech is actually a nice thing and a lot of assholes like all those antiphants, who hate the state and all those stiffs; but have no problem taking their money.

The fun part is, here it is not a natural resource like oil that pays for all of this, its people like me, the increasingly smaller number of citizens who are actually working. I am a male single nurse and I pay 50% in taxes and dues and from my last christmas gratification the tax swallowed 70%.

And the state thanks me by filling my hospital with people who have never worked one single day in their useless lifes, but whose most favourite sentence is "I am entitled to this!" and with immigrants who deny to even speak with the female nurses, let alone allowing them to touch them and whose first and only sentences they will ever learn to speak in german are "I need more money!" and "You are a nazi!".

When I have learned one thing than that the people we are importing are to lazy, too stupid, too uneducated, too stubborn and too deluded by religion to ever contribute to this society, but they consume resources faster than they can say "Want more, you nazi!".

[–]TheLastMgtow1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I am a male single nurse and I pay 50% in taxes and dues and from my last christmas gratification the tax swallowed 70%.

See. Now you see why. And that will get worse. The arabs and muslims in Europe are opportunists and you will have it as long as you have feminism. But both them and the natives will turn to a muslim like cult if they want to survive the collapse, think of the war boys of Mad Max. To understand your economy and the west you have to understand how male disposability works. There is no feminism without migration, and no migration without feminism. It is the constant pump of migrants that keeps the western democracy working, because it creates pressure and male disposability, it has nothing to do with migrants working or not. It has to do with sociology and the economy. You have to understand the west is like a wheel that is going down a hill, and it will go faster and faster until it breaks, or until it reaches the bottom. Islam is like a slow moving steady mule, it works badly but differently. If you remove male disposability, the value of pussy declines. If the value of pussy declines, then the emperor has no clothes. The west was always a system based on symbols of the sacred feminine, and using the idea of the female as a way of whipping men, or making men enslave and fight other men.

Is the west separate from feminism? If it is when do we draw the line? In the enlightment? Feudalism? The roman empire. I see different shades of cucking in all those periods. We could say that islam is a correction to christianity mistake of cucking, both to Mary the mother "who was virgin". And the whore who was forgiven.

Im not saying that islam is the solution. But im saying this is the inevitable end of all civilizations that are not willing to go through such a thing as islam or patriarchy. The old patriarchy doesnt work because its that exact system that leads to feminism. So what is the solution really. Be like the romans, learn with your enemy. Learn with islam. Take women's rights away and close your borders, no need to be racist or anything of that sort. Listen to TFM. As for the solution for the individual man, i dont need to say it, it is mgtow and nothing else.

Dont forget that this system you are supporting with your taxes, follows the same exact rhetoric and arrogance of the actual nazis, hence why Germany and the nordic countries want to spread their cucked ways to the rest of Europe and the world if possible. So there is no way of bargaining with them. There is either you let them collapse and let it go islamic if necessary, or you take women's rights away and create a system that is as strict as islam on female nature...

This is a shitty solution but its the best shitty solution we have. I love Europe, im a westerner, im not white, but im not muslim. But i understand islam, i dont think it is a coincidence, i think islam was created for a reason. Men love islam, its undeniable. Feminism had to show its ugly face for us to learn once and for all that we cant give women's rights, and now our decline is being broadcasted live.

You hate those men that dont want to work in your feminist country, you dont seem to understand that, that is the natural way of men. Why would they want to work for those whores or that system. I would not work either if i could, especially with such a horribly enslaving tax, i would not feel proud to work, i would feel like a traitor for doing so...

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I can see why you come to this conclusion that the system "follows the same exact rhetoric and arrogance of the actual nazis, hence why Germany and the nordic countries want to spread their cucked ways to the rest of Europe and the world", but I disagree. My conclusion is in many points completely different.

See, I am utterly with you that our western culture is in decline. We have reached the final state of the Roman empire, including a stupid politician that opens the borders and utters "Let them come, the Goths." without having a fucking idea how to deal with them.

And feminism plays an important role in this, as well as women being allowed to vote and of being politicians in general. Because women are preferably voting for leftist wellfare parties and strive to expand the wellfare system as far as possible. And from a certain point on this is, of course, only about power and money. Look at it, feminism has become a massive industry. And of course women are not exactly rational beings and we all see what happens when you make decisions that concern millions based on feelings.

But what is destroying democracy and opened the doors for all the things like feminism and the EU trying to destroy nations and national identities and political correctness and SJWs has nothing to do with Germany and the nordic countries and with a "nazi mindset". I am a german and you have no idea how bloody strange that claim sounds to me.

Because if there is anything you will not find here in Germany, than its people with an actual "nazi mindeset". Honestly, you have no bloody idea. Over the last 70 years, the world is bashing the nazi club over our heads. It was used to keep us in line, to squeeze money and all kinds of goodies out of us, to make us shut up when Germany protested against another ongoing war or genozide. And in the late 60s and early 70s, during the time of the student protests; the radicalisation of the left and the RAF, the leftists discovered how well that club works; even when wielded by other germans.

Us germans have no "political immune system" like other nations have. Not anymore. It was sooo easy over the last years to destroy what was left of our democratic system, to introduce rampant censorship or to convince huge parts of the population that importing millions of knife-wielding, uneducated followers of a death cult; who want to see us al dead, is the best thing that could happen to us.

But what is really happening right now is marxism. This is the wet dream of the members of the Frankfurt School and the propagators of post-modernism, like Adorno, that came true. This is the result of the "march through the institutions" that began in the 60s. Look what people are sitting in the european parliaments and by what their thinking is influenced. National-socialism? Hell, no.

Look into what the EU is turning, the EUSSR. The image of humanity that our rulers have, the way they see nations and national identities or western culture and why they want all of this destroyed, pure communism.

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See, I am utterly with you that our western culture is in decline. We have reached the final state of the Roman empire, including a stupid politician that opens the borders and utters "Let them come, the Goths." without having a fucking idea how to deal with them.

YES. Finally!!! Finally you are getting there. There is HOPE.

And feminism plays an important role in this, as well as women being allowed to vote and of being politicians in general. Because women are preferably voting for leftist wellfare parties and strive to expand the wellfare system as far as possible.

Very simplistic. Women would be far better completely out of the picture. Its not even the vote. It comes down to the economy. I told you already i dont think you read it or you ignored me, because i must be a MUSLIM APOLOGIST ahah. I will explain:

Women function in society is not in the frontlines, work, education or politics. It is not. It is selfdestructive to do so. Women function is to create families, thats it. I know we all grew up as hippies. And you probably have a good heart because you are nurse. But, men dont give a shit. If men cant form families, then men embrace hedonism. If women are whores, then men won't fight in the army for the country, then men won't defend the country from migrants or anything for that matter. Men will also not work, will be less motivated. You see? Thats where the problem is.

But what is destroying democracy and opened the doors for all

Was giving womens rights only, and only that. Since that the society has slowly declined. Ask any mgtow if you want. I already explained it to you, it is based on economics. You should have read my previous comments. Feminism = Need for more male disposability. Feminism needs migrants to create pressure on all men. No feminism no migrants. Isnt this just obvious...Goddamm..

than its people with an actual "nazi mindeset"

Are you kidding me? Those sjws are starting to look like nazis to me. Censoring shit, and attacking people based on race. Then the way Germans follow like sheep, looks exactly like the same mentality that lead to nazism. You can take a german out of germany, cant take germany out of the german. And you are still trying to hammer this same ideology on the southern europeans and everyone else. Dont know if germans will ever learn.

This is the wet dream of the members of the Frankfurt School and the propagators of post-modernism, like Adorno, that came true. This is the result of the "march through the institutions" that began in the 60s.

That is the kalergi plan. I ask you if you think this is whole shit is only aimed at whites or germans? What are the reasons they would do this? Why would they stop then? Their plan is global. Whites are still king everywhere they go in the world. The plan is to domesticate and enslave all men. Its more 1984 than anything else. Or are you that naive... do you think this will not go on for centuries if they succeed. Europe will become a meat grinder of slaves that constantly replaces natives by migrants, and keep the wheel turning.

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I am beginning to have the faint feeling that we have basically the same stance in a lot of things, although coming to this point by quite different conclusions sometimes.

Those sjws are starting to look like nazis to me.

Because there is no difference between rightwing fascim and leftwing fascism. I can't remember his name right now, but as this one italian author and anti-fascist once said after WW 2 (and I am paraphrasing here) "When fascism comes back it will not say 'I am fascism', it will say 'I am anti-fascism'."

Have you read Hitlers "Mein Kampf"? Apart from being a terrible, convoluted read, it is quite interesting in many regards. Hitlers national-socialism was not only pieced together with many different parts stolen from other movements, it was a reaction to the increasing threat of communism and the communist movement. And this is true for the italian fascism as well, they have started as socialists who were then quickly seen as a target by the russian and international communists, since they refused to give up on things like nation and national identity, hence the name national-socialism. In fact fascism has learned a lot from communism and in many ways, it was a reaction.

Communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin, the come from the very same mold, that is why SJWs and especially Antifa look so much like fascists. Because they are. Same attitude, same methods.

Also, this is not about economy. It really isn't. Sure, communism or socialism will ruin every economy over time and this is something we also see here. It is quite scary to see how many companies, corporations or even states are artificially kept alive by cheap loans they will never have to pay back and that the EU now owns a massive part of those debts and thus, those companies. It's almost as if the EU wants to socialise the economy in Europe through the backdoor. But the endgoal are the EUSSR and global socialism.

And feminism, although very effective, is just a means to the end. If it would not have been feminism, it would have been something else. Although I am with you in regards of women having the right to vote, this was the beginning of the end, but this was something that was quickly discovered by post-modernists as an effective means to destroy the society we have now.

Just look at how feminism and the SJW mindset work, this irreconcilable mindset, the inability to have a conversation with "the enemy", the "long march through the institution" and the destruction of institutions from within, the idea that everyone who is not with you is against you... and then compare it with the mindset of the Frankfurt School and what people like Adorno have said and propagated... you might be surprised.

Anyway, I really don't understand which role you attribute to islam. Yes, you sound like an apologist to me, I admit that. Islam is better here, islam is better there... quess what, it is not. There is not one redeeming quality about islam. And you think women have no power in islam? Well, in a way this is true, just look at islamic countries or have a walk through a district in your city where many muslims live (assuming you survive that). But then again I have heard and read the statements of more than one muslim woman who are happy with the system, because it removes all responsibilities from them and gives them complete maintenance, while still giving them the option to exert immense power. Who, do you think, is teaching their sons? Who is teaching them muslim faith and morals, tells them that women without a headscarf or non-muslim women are sluts? Who keeps the system running behind doors? Because behind close doors many muslim men are incredible cucks, even when they play the macho in public.

They will destroy everything here in Europe we hold dear, things that would have survived an economical collapse. Churches, museums and a lot of cultural monuments will be gone, for instance. Remember the Buddhas of Bamiyan? This is what is going to happen here as well. Islam will make the coming crisis much, much worse, it will ruin every chance we have to survive this as a culture and as individuals.

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I agree with most of what you said. I tried to counter it here the best i could playing the devil advocate for islam, that i dont want to prevail, but i see prevailing.

For all the scientific endeavours of the west i see a lot of motivation being pleasing their demanding women. It goes back to ancient times. The western female, the roman female, the greek female. They were all very problematic. It is not uncommon for mgtows to say that hypergamy was what lead evolution. So where do we stay? We cant have the cake and eat it too. Of course if you take women's rights away you take a huge chunk of the motivation for men to be slaves and create stuff to please women, isnt that obvious? So make your choice, you want gynocentrism and the inevitable collapse, or you want a patriarchy and religion and have a slow passed civilization that survives desert conditions... Make your choice. Islamic empires also had moments of technological development, this is proven, it might have been despite islam, but it happened.

I think you guys are not understanding my argument. And since the common thing we see nowadays is the typical debate between muslims and atheists, you assume im defending islam. When im just defending facts and the bigger picture.

If intellectual progress and toys is what matters to you then you have to accept the double faced political complexity of the west, their intrigues and slavery of men, and gynocentrism, and yeah the eventual collapse, they are not detached from the west, they are part of its cycle. You cant have the cake and eat it too. Accept that your civilization will eventually collapse, but maybe your legacy will remain. Accept that you will not pass on your genes and that your race may disappear, because thats what happened to all the empires in the past who followed the same blueprint.

I dont care about intellectual development or whatever the hell you want if im the one getting cucked, or if my sons are the ones neglected, i say fuck that. Id rather live peacefully with my ak47, having my long beard, and my animals and my family, than being a mentally ill medicated western cuck who doesnt even understand how is getting fucked and is being robbed of his rights as a man. Simple as that. Yes i said it, i dont care if it all goes to shit. Not my circus not my monkeys. Islam is a religion that survives in the desert, men love islam not women, if men didnt love islam we wouldnt have almost 2 billion followers of it, its because it works for them.

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imagine were we'd be now with 10 centuries of Arab led progress (early maths and arab numbers was integral to science, they were at the forefront of astronomy, and time measurement

And this would not have happened without islam. It was not arabs who develop the numbers and etc... It was islam uniting indians, persians and iberians under the same empire that caused that. Arabs stole their ideas from different corners of the land. The arab mathematics are said to be of indian origin. So that achievement although it cant be attributed to islam, it would not have happened if it wasn't for the way islam organizes its territory and connects different peoples regardless of race or origin. Basically for you to survive in a caliphate you only have to pretend to be muslim, that was a very easy thing to do back in the days. We know it wasnt very easy for you in all other circumstances.

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Title	From r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen. 'When a man objectifies me, I get really upset, unless he's hot.'
Author	Deathstrike3000
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Date	October 27, 2018 12:46 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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