For anyone that has been a MGTOW or MRA, there is a clearly apparent trend of increasing attacks on MGTOWs. Disturbingly, much of this is coming from within the Manosphere. I do not claim to be a MGTOW first of all, so I think I can speak fairly openly about this, however, I do recognize MGTOWs are a great force for good in the world to bring about balance.
The attacks on MGTOW come in a few different forms:
1. Claim to leadership of MGTOW
2. Toxic claims about MGTOW
3. Ex-MGTOW confessions
4. Other parts of the Manosphere
I will start by dissecting some of these.
The Claim to leadership of MGTOW has been made by a number of individuals, some of which haven't always used MGTOW terms until recently, and do not adhere to a MGTOW lifestyle. In history there are copious records of men choosing to do their own thing and eschew relationships. Men doing this more recently because of an increasingly biased system against men though, is actually an internationally phenomenon. Whether a grass eater in Japan, or a MGTOW in US/Europe, men are following this path.
The media particularly, and feminists, have tried to make toxic claims about MGTOWs. "Damaged individuals", or some other claptrap, lining up every shooting as caused by guy that happened to be a MGTOW MRA PUA TRPer... what?. These weak and fallacious claims are the sort of drivel I would expect from the hysterics of a playground. Expect these the next time there is a shooting of some type. If there isn't fault, then there will be an effort to pin one on, falsely.
EX-MGTOW confessions is a new one, and particularly comical. Suddenly, youtube MGTOW personalities are the forces behind a dark and destructive movement that sought an apartheid system of gender. "I was brainwashed". This reads like the playbook of the mentally-ill radical feminists, where personalities play the role of puppetmasters. A role in which there is no agency....
Other Parts of the Manosphere (MRAs, PUAs, TRPers, etc) attacking MGTOW is more recent with attacks coming from both Paul Elam and more recently, GayLubeOil. Paul's attacks are more about leadership and directed at prominent MGTOW personalities, whereas GayLubeOil is attacking MGTOW in general. GayLubeOil despite a number of misunderstandings about MGTOW, claims that being MGTOW is a cop-out. Apparently, he has never been married, but he may actually be incel.
How to handle these attacks?
- Laugh.
- Take it with a grain of salt
- Don't define yourself by kowtowing to a biased legal system that will steal your freedom, your savings, and in some cases, your life.
- Realize the good intentions of the manosphere may not always be best directed
- Know these attacks would only come if MGTOWs are having an impact
Cheers!
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By the way there is no comparison between grass eaters and MGTOWs.
Grass eaters are blue pill.
They have no awareness of female nature.
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I tried to look it up more, because maybe you're right.
I tried to find more of this, but I couldn't find any other article which would mention the risks as a reason for grass-eaters. We have the quote of only one person. I'm being honest here. (Actually the word "risk" is kind of vague, and according to what I write below I think they speak more of risk of rejection and such of think.)
In other articles grass-eaters are described as "passive, shy and effeminate". In Japan to have a relationship they would have to approach, behave "macho", and they don't want to do that. They simply don't want to go through all the hassle and efforts than other men put to get women, because they have less interest.
But nowhere I could read they understand the female nature and all the negative side of it. That's the important point. Sure, they see no benefit in pursuing women, but unless I could read about it somewhere (and I can't) they still have no knowledge of female nature.
Yes, the allowance system is a reality of Japanese society. But your article doesn't mention grass-eaters in relation to it. And in the other way, articles on grass-eaters don't mention the allowance system either. Sure, grass-eaters have more money as a fact. But it's a coincidental fact only (correlation doesn't prove causation). And nowhere is mentioned that the allowance system is a motivation for being grass-eaters. In reality, money is never mentioned in the context of grass-eaters and their motivation.
That's why even if grass-eaters do avoid relationships I don't see them as having Red Pill awareness.
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I think I understand. So, your opinion is that interests are sufficient to say herbivores are MGTOW. I see what you mean.
On my side I say the meaning of MGTOW was born in the context of Red Pill knowledge, and being Red Pill has always been implied. I agree in that society is different in Japan, but female nature is the same everywhere. And herbivores have no awareness of female nature (I would say the Japanese carnivores -Nikushoku Danshi- have actually more awareness than them) therefore I say they are not MGTOW. Or other words they are MGTOW but without understanding women, which is not really MGTOW.
I think you are focused on the literal meaning of MGTOW (which simply means "voluntary celibate"), whereas I'm more focused on the historic meaning of MGTOW which implies Red Pill knowledge.
I think that's the why we differ in opinion.
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