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[β]user_miki78 points79 points80 points 6 years ago* (27 children) | Copy Link
I disagree.There are calculations that showed when you take the number of hours worked by men and women and the pay per hour.Men are payed less then women.Many men are covering women hours without being paid(many women have different contracts than men that are allowed for extend periods of sick leave but they are payed the same money while you cover).
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[β]user_miki11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LoL !Nothing new ,under the sun.The are dangling the promotion carrot,in front of you ,promotion that will never be awarded to you in the first place because of the gender and color of your skin.
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I told something similar to a previous manager, they hired a bunch of immigrants who barely spoke a word of our language. "Not interested, you weren't going to promote me anyway, do you think people don't notice your cute diversity posters all over?"
[β]Ukhupa4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wouldn't last long working there. It doesn't sound like actual working men are valued but are expected to just be beasts of burden that have to endure the consequences of managment's bad decisions in the end.
[β]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
The only place where nonwhites are hired more than whites is to low quality jobs. So far in most of the western world there are no diversity quotas, and most bosses that hire women always hired them because they are simps, not necessarily because there is some sort of gestapo checking in if women are being hired. Afaik, at least in my country.
Why do you think the metoo movement even happened? Because women were being hired by simp bosses who didnt even care if they did the job so long as they could give a blowjob, or not even that, just be there for the boss to feel validated.
Most bosses will still prefer to hire any white or even a woman, before they even consider a nonwhite. And i would say thats ok, because the western countries are supposed to be for the natives. But saying that nonwhites are the new high class, i think its a bit of an exageration man. They are still invited into the west, because white people dont want to reproduce and dont want to do low jobs.
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[β]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Iβd have better luck getting promoted as a street shitting tranny muslim who spoke broken english and slept half the week.
Sorry man. I dont know any boss that would hire someone like that. I think you are exagerating. Most bosses care about their business and are completely aware, trannies and even minorities are more likely to have less skills or had a troubled past. Most bosses are not hiring what looks more solidaire, so far, but what will give them profits. So even minorities that have businesses and anywhere in the world they would likely want to hire white men or white women.
In the west. They will not hire if you even look ugly and shorter than, let alone if you look like a mentally ill person or not standard.
Of course in google and some other company like that they are hiring people from all over the world. And they will hire you if you have blue hair. But those are exceptions to the rule. Most jobs, bosses are looking for what will give them money, so the only reason to hire minorities is if they are willing to work for less.
It is completely delusional, to think in the west nonwhites are having jobs over whites. And it is reality, that wherever you go as a white in the world, you are king and worshipped as god by all other cultures. Just try it yourself. Go travel the world. Try to get a job anywhere in the world, and apply as an African in the middle east or far east Asia, and then apply as a white. Difference is like night and day. You will have 5 % chances as a black man, and 90% chances as a white man.
Asian countries. Arab countries. Southern European countries. And even African countries. These are standard non white countries. They will always opt for someone with a lighter tone of skin over someone with a darker tone of skin. Both in the social and professional arena, and everything for that matter in society. This doesnt mean that if you are qualified and competent dark skinned man, the boss will hire you of course, because he profits from you. But if he has to choose, even nonwhites will hire whites. It has been that way for decades. Or maybe it changed suddenly in past months and i havent been aware.
The market is still free. And even in simple things like trying to get an apartment in some cities and some regions, you will have no luck if your skin is dark. You will be looked with suspicion and landlords would rather rent it to someone else. As a white individual especially white women, those problems are nonexistant, you never saw them, you will never see them. You just assume that anywhere in the world everyone has it as good as you.
This victimhood politics is nonsense, and it might make sense in the future if it is true, for white men, because of political correctness culture. But for now, it is not, and pc culture is declining, rejected even by nonwhites as racist and nonsense. So choose your battles man.
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[β]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
My perspective applies to a lot of men. It may not apply to you. I was not referring to you specifically. Like you said, i dont know you, or where you work. You shouldnt be angry at me. It was just my opinion. You accuse me of being limited. And you are the only one who is angry here and has basically ran out of arguments and starts to insult. You are being an idiot and you dont realize it.
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What an hero. Are you ready to kill another man because you dont like their opinions, i bet you dont even have a face to take a punch. You are angry about the truth, and you cant handle, and now you would want to fight me, when im a mgtow just like you and trying to help you, or at least trying to figure out the truth. But thats ok, i will not waste my time debating you anymore, because you dont even appreciate it. And you dont even have arguments, just threatning to fight me, and you wouldnt even have the balls to show up in front of me. Thats ok. Stay angry.
[β]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I thought about that. It is not a viable strategy because:
It is extremelly annoying and unconvenient to be always recording yourself, especially at work.
Any boss that will see you recording yourself at work, will not promote you, and will do anything to take you out.
Recording stuff has been proven to not be always effective as evidence in case of metoo. And before you prove yourself you were not in the wrong, with the good evidence you have. The objective of your enemies was already achieved, that is to give you a lot of trouble.
In case of work, especially work where you need to cooperate with your colleagues, it is almost impossible to be an individualist and others especially manginas and women will gang up on you, if they even find subliminar signs of noncomformity, fear, isolation or mere individualism, selfprotection. You wont survive a week if everyone turns on you, and women are especialists in intrigue and manipulation.
The only viable strategy is to never work at these jobs, quit immediately as soons as you see the danger taking place. You will feel better about yourself, and you will be safer, and you wont have stress and cancer later. Really, it is not worth it all that trouble and cancer just to earn some dollars. Might as well just create your own business, you will definitely succeed if you are that determined.
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I appreciate your efforts. And i believe if everyone did as you do, then it would be great. But for now, if i carry a camera around, its like carrying a target in my back. In jobs where you depend on colaboration from everyone, this is not positive for you. You will be singled out, and people will sabotage you.
In my opinion. Any job where you need to carry a camera around or a recording device it is not worth it.
Most jobs i have been to are also full of snakes, as you well said. Thats why i left them, and will keep on leaving them everytime. The jobs where i had it the best, were physical jobs, or even jobs where you dont have to talk much with your workmates.
I think all men that are redpilled should aim at creating their own business and or moving away from society as fast as possible. My dream is to be rich enough so i can by my small island. And ill come to civilization and cities anytime i want.
We shouldnt really be forced to live in society anyways.
No i didnt know that. You dont have to be angry and tell me to fuck off. When i was just debating you. Man to man. Dont know why you are so angry.
I dont know man. Its sad to see other mgtows acting this way. This should not be the sub for you to be so angry at other men. So many sjw subs where you can go and vent.
The comment i made was not only for you. Its for others to know.
[β]MenGoingTOWin[S] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, that is all reflected in this chart. Where it says "men work more hours" and "single women no children make more money 22-30."
Thing is, like everything else, women hit a limit where they cannot continue to grow without sucking dick. #MeToo is killing that dick-sucking/fucking opportunity. And it's already reflected in the stats based on the age of hitting the wall.
General Census data is collected constantly by the Department of Commerce, through IRS data (title 13 and 26 data) but that doesn't cover a lot of income situations. So there's a bit of fuzz in there, always, but it's mostly accurate of citizens who actually pay taxes.
[β]nosoupforyou2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What are you disagreeing with? Looks like you're saying exactly what the image says.
Btw, "paid".
[β]user_miki0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I disagree with the phrase "THERE'S NO WAGE GAP" ,....there is, but in opposite direction.
[β]nosoupforyou0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough.
[β]Content_Not_History1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yea, Google found they were paying men less.
[β]greyslopp0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Then who would hire a women if men are payed less?
[β]user_miki4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you aware that there are laws that forced companies to hire women,regardless of merit?Did you hear about gender quotas?
Did you hear that there are specific businesses and government agencies that don't make deals/contracts with companies that don't have women in the companies board or a parity quota/ number of women employed by that company?
You also also aware there are not such laws regarding men in companies where women are in majority.
[β]Vobat0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Companies that don't want to get sued for discrimination against women.
[β]ijnenak38 points39 points40 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The reason they earn 8% more than men is because theres literally sexism against men. Its so easy for a woman to get a management position.
[β]UK_Garce8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I see that where i have worked. Girls got the raise or promotion because the head didnt want to look sexist for giving it to a more qualified guy who has worked there longer.
[β]NoThirst2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
...or the head was getting head.
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude I've had two female managers openly, in front of the team, say they will only ever promote women. It's always perfectly fine when you attack men, you'll be celebrated.
[β]MenGoingTOWin[S] 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
lol, earning increase stops after the wall. Classic.
[β]colered1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I believe it has been said "women start happy, but end bitter". The wall takes no prisoners.
[β]CastandRefused12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men work more and work harder. Women talk at work. The evidence- civilization.
[β]stupidreddithandle916 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The data is even worse than this. Men work 14% more hours than women who work full time. But most women donβt work full time. White women, in particular, have an astonishing 42% rate of workforce non-participation (US Bureau of Labor Statistics) and among women who do participate in the workforce, they are more likely than men to choose part time work. Among the small percentage that do work full time, they work 14% fewer hours than men. But the real difference between men and women is much more than 14%. Itβs more like double.
https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm
[β]Fierisss6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Men are expected to do any extra heavy labor in the office, but payed the same or lower
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Start saying no. It's as easy as that.
[β]colered1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Haha sometimes a pretty young thing will come in and buy they 5 gallon water jugs and they just expect that we men are going to haul it out for them. I only help the elderly, disabled and other dudes.
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Boy do I have a story for you my bro. At the office I work at, they hired this little lady to do maintenance. No hard work, just restock vending machines, change trash bags and water fountains.
Well, she does one of these three. It's perfectly normal for her to sit down at a break room and... wait for a guy to come in and tell him to change the water bottle or bag. She doesn't say "Could you please..." no, it's "The bag needs changing" and pointing at it. When I told her it's not my job, she went to complain to office management that I would hinder her job. Fortunately the management aren't assholes and asked for what happened from me.
[β]colered1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What happened afterwards?
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nothing to me, I explained I wear a clean shirt and tie and it's not part of my job to change the trash. There was nothing they could add to it besides a "Well you could be nice.." I just shrugged and wished I would have answered "Or you could hire someone physically able to do the job"
That little lady stopped talking to me entirely after this, which is a plus.
[β]colered0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice. This is a happy story. So far for me, I haven't had any complaints or blowback. I imagine most of them will find someone else simping for them somewhere else.
[β]LetsGoAllTheWhey0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"The bag needs changing"
"Hm. That's too bad."
Yeah, she acted as if she was here to give the guys orders. No wonder why she went to suck the authority's dick when her bubble thin ego got rustled.
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You did well. You would have gotten absolutely nothing more to back her up. The management will dangle "promotions" but if you're a white guy, you'll always be at the bottom of the list. After all, don't forget, the useless pregnant woman will scream discrimination the second she's back.
Also if you think she'll be back running when she returns, I got some news for you. My country offers 10 months of maternity leave and we had a woman who in 5 years, got knocked up 4 times. Do the math.
Keep in mind that there's no guarantee she's coming back. I've had two promise to come back after maternity leave and we never saw them again.
[β]MenGoingTOWin[S] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh shit, title was supposed to be "Muh Wage Gap."
Failed again. :(
[β]PrinceRaj535 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mission failed.
We'll get them next time.
[β]TigPlaze3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The feminists will NEVER care about these facts. If it doesn't fit their dogma, they'll just shut off their brains and call you a misogynist and keep believing what they want to.
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No woman ever cared about facts. Everything is rationalized by their feels. Why do you think feminism is so attractive even if everything it peddles is disproven lies?
[β]Fantoche_Dreemurr3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anyone who's ever worked in an office knows how useless women are. 6-8 smoke breaks a day, spend all day on facebook or chat with others, push their work on to others...
[β]ausF1342 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow this is all very eye opening
[β]redpill0zmosis2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In other words, they're just retarded. π
[β]PurveyorofToxicWaste2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men generally, on the whole, work longer, harder, and produce a better quality end product than women.
[β]The_Carolus_Rex1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Sauces?
[β]MenGoingTOWin[S] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I didn't make this, but the US Census has such data, public domain.
https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/cps-pov/pov-40.html
You can find breakdowns by sex and age for regions here, I don't see a combined source but you can derive such from the numbers provided.
Last time I investigated this was 2017, at which time 2016 data was available, and it was pretty spot on. I reviewed a couple regions from the available datasets for 2017 (latest available), and the pattern checks-out.
[β]The_Carolus_Rex1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you
[β]stupidreddithandle911 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Check out US BLS, they have way more data.
[β]MenGoingTOWin[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They may have more data, but it's not more accurate. BLS does NOT have title 13 (Census law) authorization. Nor does title 13's information sharing allow transfer of such data to the BLS. They do, however, have title 26 which describes access to IRS data.
"What's the difference?" you might ask. Well, the difference is that the Department of Commerce Census Bureau is authorized to actually use the title 26 IRS data in other ways, and combine them with general census data (such as gender, age, etc.) as granted under title 13.
Also granted is the ability to perform quarterly analysises, so there are no models involved with the BLM based off the raw Census-specific data, and BLM can only collect data for direct use. Another difference is that BLM does not have access to population data, such as gender or name. They are not authorized access to this data, which is granted through title 13, so at best they can use the official Census releases and statistics to derive their own numbers, but they are not authorized to have the raw data.
I know it can get confusing. If you disagree, search for yourself. See what is granted under title 13 vs title 26, and validate that title 13 does not apply for the BLS.
[β]stupidreddithandle911 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thatβs a good point, I will try to learn more about the census data. Initially, I donβt see how the census could have better information on hours and earnings. Census data reporting is totally voluntary, but BLS data is matched with hours and earnings on tax forms. But maybe they have more information than I was aware of.
[β]MenGoingTOWin[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Census data reporting is totally voluntary
Not true. It's literally against the law to not do the decennial census. And they do a lot more than just that (next one is 2020). As I stated, they have title 26 authorization so they get tax records every year. You may be surprised, but there are over a thousand people who work for the Census at any point in time, not counting any solicitors.
Earnings come through title 26, through IRS data, so they both have the same information on earnings. The difference is the Census related data, such as axe and sex, of which BLS shares. So the earnings are the same, it is the distribution over category to which BLS does not have access. At best they can do approximations based on previous data.
All I was trying to convey was that only the Census Bureau legally has the ability to collect and store Census data, and except for the two agencies listed in title 13 (BLS not included), the most anyone else has available is the finalized, normalized, and standardized reports issued by Census. Federal government cannot hold copyright, only classifications.
[β]stupidreddithandle911 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
United States Bureau of Labor Statistics has way more data, and it totally confirms this. Itβs all on their site.
[β]escailer1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha! βMugβ. Itβs the little things.
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[β]glamatovic1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't need these graphs, I just limit myself to asking "If women make less, why do bosses still hire men? They could only hire women and save loads of money!"
[β]Fierisss1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The feels when you hire pregnant replacement to replace a pregnant worker while shes gone...
[β]Lacrimosa2k71 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While feminists are so hooked upon the fallacy of a wage gap (With the numerous percentages they pull out their backsides every other month) Another reality they are yet to address the TAX GAP, how ironic....
Considering the fact that men contribute the most in taxes and in quite a few cases have later retirement ages compared to women, its rather strange the hair dyed dykes don't put that into perspective.
While feminists are so hooked upon the fallacy of a wage gap
"If you repeat a lie enough, people will believe it. If you repeat a lie enough, it becomes truth." -- Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda.
Feminism (from a woman's perspective) has only been about one thing: obtaining resources; half of a woman's drive (the other being genetics).
[β]kurtu50 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wasn't it never married childless women? I know its a small detail, but thats what the data said, right?
[β]MenGoingTOWin[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just single women vs men. The census data range goes up to 34, so whomever made this just reduced to 30 without source, I guess for reasons involving the wall.
[β]fat_lesbians_lul0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
well id like an 8% raise until i turn 30
[β]bikerbomber0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well shit, Iβm in process of getting my degree in early education.
Not doing it for the money anyways. As long as I can live on the wage.
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