The big picture

I believe in a lot of what MGTOW says on a micro level (ie advice on self improvement, realities of modern Western female behaviour, how blue pill is bad, etc…), but I think you guys are looking at the issue with an incomplete perspective on a macro level. You are saying to ignore women completely. This is not the solution. You cannot just ignore something that bothers you. You have to fix the root of the issue. We are men. We are hardwired to have sex and have relationships. It is completely natural. You cannot simply ignore this aspect of life, especially when it is one of the, if not the, most important aspect of life.

Learning to live without women is incorrect advice, just like “sit in the grass and meditate all day” is the wrong advice in terms of dealing with life problems. Sure, you can sit in the grass and meditate all day, or you can completely ignore women and live a celibate life, but that would be taking away the joys of life. Life consists of pleasure and pain: I don’t think the correct approach is to resort to nothingness as a coping response to feeling pain.

Furthermore, one needs to look at the big picture. When you have a problem in life, you cannot just look at it on a superficial level. Every problem/issue has an underlying, root cause. It is only rational and efficient that the root cause is tackled. Think of it as a poisonous tree. You can cut individual rotten leaves off of it, but wouldn’t it be more efficient to take out the tree with its roots and plant a newer, better one, which would fix the problems permanently? Do you really think that you will be happy living a sexless life? Even if you are willing to cut women out and achieve peace in terms of relationships, will this stop your other problems? Will this protect you against your boss (who is taking out his/her previous frustrations with his/her new power, which is a result of the vicious cycle that this unfair and egotistical and greed and competitiveness inducing system perpetuates)? Will this protect you against generally stupid and aggressive and egotistical people who are competing against you 24/7? Will this protect you from the rampant inequality and unfairness you have to deal with daily in all aspects of your life as a result of the structurally broken and unfixable system which is unnecessarily creating all of these problems and taking away your right of living like a normal human, as nature intended?

What I am getting at is that the modern Western female is a creation of modern Western society: Western liberal capitalism. This ideology has done much more than ruin dating and relations. In a matter of a few decades, it has irreversibly damaged the environment and has caused billions of people into experiencing war, misery, poverty, and death. It makes no sense to me to only focus on the state of modern Western females and dating/relationships while ignoring the root cause of it, and pretty much every other problem on earth. These are inextricably related.

It makes no sense to blame females for being born females. The modern dating/relationship issues that men are facing today are not due to some “incorrect/evil” female biological nature. That is not logical. Rather, the problem is that modern Western society is an inefficient system which deals with natural male/female differences inadequately and incorrectly. What can you expect from a system in which one of its central pillars is third wave feminism, an ideology that operates with the notion that there are absolutely no differences between males and females, yet proposes that females should retain all of the advantages conferred upon them by traditional society while evading all responsibilities conferred by the same, and males should lose all traditional societal advantages while maintaining the duties required of them by the same. Patriarchy has been in use by pretty much every single society since human civilization, but apparently these "open minded" people think it is "misogynist" and "backwards." Patriarchy was not a system that was built to oppress: it was simply a system that took into consideration natural male/female differences and assigned them roles and responsibilities accordingly, in order to maximize efficiency and keep the balance and harmony of society. Now these people have becomes so "open minded" that their brains fell out. This system is so broken that people are seriously considering marrying ROBOTS in the NEAR future. How inefficient and incorrect does a system have to be for humans to resort to such? How low has this system taken us? How much lower will we ALLOW it to take us? The most beta thing you can possibly do is to get on your knees and willingly conform to and prolong this system.

I agree that red pill/MGTOW advice on a micro level should hold true from now to the moment the new system is implemented, but I don’t think that we should simply live our lives according to red pill/MGTOW advice ALONE WHILE FAILING to focus our efforts on system change.

We must not fall prey to those who established and are safeguarding the system: the capitalist establishment. It is in their interests to keep citizens divided, so they can conquer us. They want men to hate women, women to hate men, racial hatred, religious hatred, etc…. the more division within society, the better for them in terms of holding on to their relative unfair advantage. They want disease, they want to sell pills, they want war, they want to sell weapons, they want insecurity, they want to sell all sorts of products, they want individualism and promiscuity, it helps sell. They want to break apart tradition and the family unit. Problems generate profit. They want to keep this cycle going. We should be smarter then to fall into their trap. We need to realize that ALL disadvantaged groups: men, racial minorities, those in poverty, etc… suffer from the SAME problem: the system (modern Western liberal capitalism, as it stands) which is being propped up by the capitalist establishment. They practically control politics at the highest level. Our democracy is, in practice, largely useless. It is decided by capital. Any presidential candidate at the federal is, in practice, a puppet to the capitalist establishment. We need to stop voting for this piss poor selection of candidates as none of them will make any necessary significant changes. They will ALL safeguard the capitalist establishment, no matter what they say. People say Trump is “independent” but look at the guys he picked for all the posts: all are neocon establishment classical politicians/capitalists. They do not give a damn about the common man or woman. It is basically the bush administration on steroids. What was our other choice? Hillary… a classic establishment safeguarder. We need to wake up: 8 years of Democracts results in the next 8 years being Republican, which results in Democrats for another 8 years, which then results in 8 more years of Republicans. This retarded and ineffective short-sighted teeter-totter needs to end. None of them changed jackshit. Republicans claim to be "conservatives" who are pro-family values. Bullshit. They are pro-capital. Simply banning abortion does not solve everything. They are 2 sides of the same coin. All of them. Long time ago, the capitalist establishment infiltrated liberalism and is now using the superficial nice sounding liberal ideals, such as “female rights” and “racial tolerance” in order to appear humanitarian in order to legitimize its power. We need to currently stop voting in federal elections: a vote for any candidate is a vote for the establishment, who is responsible for this system that is causing modern females to act like this, who has taken away our simple right to raise a family with a normal, decent wife, not to mention all the war, crime, and poverty that they create at home and worldwide. We need to create our own political party. That is the only solution.

How you can help: stop falling for the trap: stop voting in federal elections, do not legitimize their rule over you: do not willingly put your knees on the ground for them and accept a fate of betaness that they are trying to enforce on you. You don't have to dedicate your life: simply do a little bit of research/reading on this concept; it is interesting. If not, at least spread the message. Open up your mind. Free yourself. Fix your problems, don’t run away from them. Check out the Zeitgeist Movement/Venus Project, although I don’t agree with them 100%, they largely have the right idea moving forward, and there are no alternatives, so it is beneficial and logical to support their vision. The only significant issue I have with them is that they act like only imbalances in money can cause social ills. There needs to be more of a focus on other types of inequalities that would arise in a non-monetary system: the main one being unfairness in the sexual/dating scene. I propose an enlightened central leadership who will encourage and enforce cultural norms in order to get rid of these inequalities and keep society in harmony and balance: this would greatly increase the quality of life for each and every individual. This video is to give you a general idea of the vision, you can search for the complete versions, ie "the choice is ours" and "zeitgeist: moving forward 2011": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndsWuYfRgjE