Victory or withdrawl.

mofono · 2017-03-18T10:41:54+00:00

I used to be in your shoes. Once you put in the will to change society only to see nothing happen, you'll realize you're better off watching the world burn. What will hurt most is seeing the indifference of others, and then you will hate them, and that is when you want the world to burn.

Keep to yourself, pull out of society, work enough to keep your minimalist lifestyle going, and sit back and watch the world burn.

espresso85 · 2017-03-18T09:17:51+00:00

I'm in the same boat, sympathetic towards TradCons because they have (even if they are naive) intentions of saving society by continuing to uphold family structures. So whether they accept female nature or not, I have to give them credit for making at least an effort to keep normal family going in a world that is increasingly self-centered.

I'm not against self improvement. However I worry MGTOW could create a world of weak or narcissistic men by encouraging them to only improve themselves as they turn their back on society. Admittedly, it's a rational response, and I get that way too: the world first turned its back on (us) men so let it all burn, etc. My reservation, or hope, is to not become so jaded that we forgo charity in its entirety. There's a difference in turning your back on society VERSUS humanity. So long as we continue to pull out individuals who are looking to escape the madness, offer them refuge, comfort, charity, etc...

Said another way; I hope MGTOW does not become self absorbed / hedonistic in and of itself (although it can be at times) so that it does not seek to help individuals looking to recover from the degenerates. It's a bit of a double-edged sword. Self improvement is good. But let's not get so absorbed that we abandon basic human dignity. We should still do what we can to help individuals out, even if we harbor resentment towards the social norms and society at large.

Hope that makes sense.

Darth_Bicycle · 2017-03-18T13:18:23+00:00

When I was younger I felt the same way as you. Chalk it up to being a young idealist, ready to change the world for the better. I have progressive friends who still believe that some kind of utopia is possible, we just need the right attitudes, or what ever. I think they are in deep denial, because the truth is too depressing for them.

But at some point you have to take a sober look at the world. In my 41 years of being on the planet, all the problems plaguing humanity have simply gotten worse, not better. The world won't change until it has to. Just look at Europe, Africa, Middle East or North America. It should be painfully obvious that what we are doing no longer works and is pushing the planet and our species towards a very dark place. But people will insist that we need to do, is more of the same: ”Communism didn't work, becase we weren't communist enough! More communism!” That's what the communist think. It's what the greens think, what the capitalists think, what the multiculturalist think...so on and so on.. Just subsititute your favorite ”ism” for the thing that we need more of.

Our species overpopulated the planet. There is no good solution for that. No enlightened policy that can gently wipe out about 6 billion of us. We also have a legacy of horrible ideologies and ideas that no longer work and only create messed up people at this point (SJW). This is not something that we can change any more. All the protests in the world won't fill up the oil fields that are drying up. This is something our species has to live through. Civilizations rise and fall. It's natural and normal, as the cycle of life itself. We can't save ourselves from ourselves. Our civilization depends on cheap and abundant energy. Because of cheap and abundant energy we spread like a cancer all over the planet. But now the energy doesn't want to remain cheap and abundant. There is no political solution for that. In the same vein there is no political solution for the fact that water is wet. Acceptance is the only solution. At some point political activism is just wasted energy. We are at that point in my opinion. The trad con solution is not a workable solution right now. We have to decline and fall as a civilization before we bottom out and can implement old solutions. Even then those old solutions only last for a while until the family unit implodes again as nature finds away.

w33tad1d · 2017-03-18T15:22:57+00:00

and question whether it is weakness that drives me to turn away from the fight.

Its not weakness, you dont want to waste your time and energy. You are choosing to spend those resources (time and energy are limited) in a way that makes you happy.

is it just a watch the world burn scenario we find ourselves in?

Nope. For me its a matter of building enough wealth that I dont have to work. Will I continue to work, probably. I make good money and for the most part I enjoy what I do. I will work because I choose to not because i have to and that is huge difference. I will free to choose and dictate the terms going forward. "You want me to continue working at this firm than the price is X (or than I want to select my client load)"

espresso85 · 2017-03-18T09:37:09+00:00

Only those who are truly independent and skillful can be able to live the withdrawal life. In that way, it is a much tougher path going alone than the facade of a victory where you have to resign from your principles/individuality and subscribe to the so called common good.

bobsmitharmour1 · 2017-03-18T16:50:19+00:00

look at the collapse of the falling Roman Empire, obviously there are many different theories. But mass invasion of foreigners, slaves taking all the jobs, so the government forced to increase taxes to support the military. So all the unemployed roman men and the roman guys getting taxed too much, all decided to just leave the empire and farm somewhere else instead. With no taxes to collect the system collapses.

That was the best way to fight the system, leave and force it to collapse. Boycotting is a way better strategy than the roman men trying to overthrow the government through political loops or fighting the roman legion armies.

Doing nothing is ironically the best way to change the world in my opinion.

MGTOW_Monger · 2017-03-18T15:24:01+00:00

Only you can decide if it's worth it.

As long as you do or don't on your TERMS, then you are GYOW.

FleshPanda · 2017-03-19T00:01:11+00:00

Im ready to watch the world burn.

Title	Victory or withdrawl.
Author	TheSpiritofCommand
Upvotes	8
Comments	23
Date	March 18, 2017 8:51 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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