What's everyone's thoughts on posts like this?

NietzscheExplosion · 2018-08-12T13:06:24+00:00

Never trust women.

mgtow-zen · 2018-08-12T14:17:40+00:00

She's touching on something much larger than she realizes.

But, it would be nice if there were ways to initiate non sexual friendships with women. There are a number of women I walk across in my daily life that I would like to get to know better, but can't.

Even if I did want to get into their shorts, well, how would I even know that if we didn't get to know each other? Truth is, WE WOULDN'T, but, if you're stupid enough to play the game, you have to speed past the "getting to know you" phase, or get friend zoned. (Let's face it, it's not getting to know you, it's "getting to judge you & find reasons to reject you")

If you're not condemned to the "not good enough" pile, you will very likely end up with someone you don't even like, but if you didn't speed past the trial (err.. I mean "dating") phase, you might as well put yourself in the pile, because eventually she will find reasons you aren't good enough anyway, only a matter of time.

The property thing... yea, it isn't what it appears. I could tell you, and it would probably take a couple pages to do it. But my words might as well be finger painting.

People invest a a great deal of faith into this area, faith that runs deep into the subconscious mind. Unless this faith is exposed (as it was in me) it's impossible to see. You want what you think it offers.

On the surface, in today's world, with today's rules, what she is asking is for multiple men to worship her while she gets to pick which one(s) are "honored" by her almighty pussy. A competitive game where blue pill idiots go to feel like shit. I don't think she realizes this.

It will always be this way so long as women are the gate keepers. As long as we see them as the source of anything.

account4189 · 2018-08-12T13:28:05+00:00

Well, I think women make poor friends because they have a different idea of friendship than men do, for the most part. They also don't seem to value friendship as much because women, in general, have more people interested in their lives and trying to help them.

If it's relatively easy for you to get help (compared to a man), why would you value other people as much? When you combine that with their greater risk aversion and neuroticism you get a flaky "friend" that's more likely to cut and run at the first sign of serious trouble than a male friend would.

That said, she's not wrong in that most men who are interested in women mostly as romantic partners don't get to see other aspects of their lives, but that's due in large part to hypergamy.

If you're in a romance, she's already screened you (and is continuing to test you) for being "better" than her along at least a few dimensions and possibly many. For instance, you're likely to be taller, stronger, smarter, wiser, richer, more socially adept, confident, etc. Unfortunately, like K.T. Tatara pointed out in his standup, the man in this romance will be dealing with someone who is shorter, weaker, more naive, poorer, more neurotic, unsure, etc. What the fuck is he going to want to talk to her about? I'm serious. In pretty much every conversation they have, he'll have to patiently deal with her inferior perspective on a lot of topics, either educating her or else tolerating what will come across to him as nonsense, walking on eggshells to avoid hurting her feelings. And if it's none of these things, he's likely to be uninterested in what she's talking about because of how sexual dimorphism manifests itself in different male and female goals, through the fault of neither. If it weren't for women's reproductive capacity as a makeweight, men probably wouldn't seek out relationships with women at all for the most part because usually men seek out friendships between equals - or at least "equal enough" so that the hierarchy software isn't running and creating a lot of friction and competitive animosity.

There are probably a handful of men walking around the streets everyday in places she frequents that would be interested in what a man would consider a friendship, but they probably come across to her as ugly, creepy, or defective in some other reproductive aspect. And so her own reproductive instincts prevent HER from seeing the very men who would be willing to engage those other aspects of her life.

It's just a tragic consequence of the reproductive struggle that neither sex gets a chance to see the inner life of the other, but this is because of differing interests at large and female hypergamy in the specific instances where men and women are involved more seriously. It has nothing to do with sexual objectification like this woman is claming, or if it does, it is mostly because women choose men who will likely have no other interest in women than sex because of the hypergamist instinct to find a man who will give more to a woman in a relationship than they have to give themselves. This isn't to say that men are superior to women as a class, at least in things like general intelligence, but female hypergamy warps the perception that both sides develop for the other because it forces superior/subordinate relationships. Even on this subreddit, a lot of men have this perspective that "the woman in my life are just inferior to me," and they are right, but partly because the women that aren't inferior to you have already screened you out and you never get to talk to them (if they had common interests in the first place, which they probably wouldn't.)

*** Edit: as an ironic thought, if I were to meet this woman in real life and try to explain this to her - I would probably fall into her dominant category, but because I don't like to occupy power positions in relationships - I wouldn't enjoy the conversation. So this is one specific reason, perhaps not able to be generalized to most men and women, why a man with the capacity to see other aspects of her life would screen her out of any interactions. An aversion to hypergamy and power struggles, if you will, and judging by her twitter nonsense, it's probably a good thing for both of us that we are ignorant of each other.

neoreeves · 2018-08-12T13:12:03+00:00

I just don't care. My wallet is safe anyway.

theorymeltfool · 2018-08-12T13:17:39+00:00

Yes, men can be friends with women. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea or beneficial. It rarely is a good idea.

Sol_Install · 2018-08-12T13:03:08+00:00

So trust women who will use sex to steal your man or ruin your relationship?

2018-08-12T13:07:26+00:00

In theory sure. In practice a woman has half the upper body strength, is emotionally unstable and has a pussy pass.

It takes a lot of indoctrination to convince a man to pursue such a creature but for sex.

BubaThayil · 2018-08-12T13:17:30+00:00

I had many deep friendly non-sexual relationships with women. They all collapsed by the same strange principles that my romantic relationships with women collapsed. I couldnt make much sense of this until I got into mgtow, an understood. I went with an honest heart and good intentions, non-sexual intentions, and they butcher me badly. I guess you could be friends with women, but you'd had to keep you guard up, cause the minute you act like a beta, they will thing less of you. And this crazy thing ( that I honestly did not expect) will happen even more if they happen to be feminist

flee_market · 2018-08-12T14:52:43+00:00

Haha she literally admits that women deceive for the purposes of relationships: She says that men who only know women through relationships never get to know women at all.

I agree that men and women can be friends. But not for the reason she says it. I think they can be friends and that is ALL they can be. Romantic love between a man and a woman is a fairy tale, it doesn't exist.

DTreatz · 2018-08-12T17:37:55+00:00

Women: "Men and women can be friends."

Translation: Be my beta orbiter so I can exploit you emotionally or resourcefully, while I fuck chad.

Rayzond · 2018-08-12T13:28:35+00:00

Imagine for a second the sad life a man leads who is only ever exposed to women if he either is in some form of romantic relationship with them or if they have a sexual relationship.

Shaming tactics, how surprising, nothing to see here gents, another average THOT who thinks the universe shines from her V.

Like... these men LITERALLY don’t know us. As people. At all.

More like I know your type too much to know that you are DANGEROUS to my mental stability, the reason I don't befriend a snake is because I don't want to get bitten, same goes for you, preach.

scaur · 2018-08-12T21:42:25+00:00

Trap, once she will metoo any chance she get.

Mr_M0t0m0 · 2018-08-12T23:48:39+00:00

It's merely a shaming technique to manipulate men into being orbiters for femanoids.

n0sqix · 2018-08-13T11:43:48+00:00

In this situation you're talking about orbiters. She wants orbiters. So she can monkeybranch from one guy to the next when it suits her.

Its always about the monkey branching. Every time I see it I feel so whimsical I could float away.

silive · 2018-08-12T14:04:37+00:00

Women can be friends with men but not vice versa. Plan accordingly folks...

rockorbe2002 · 2018-08-12T15:00:29+00:00

Those there are eyes of deceit. As an atheist, I might dismiss the story of Eve deceiving Adam thanks to the snake as mere superstition, but I can't fail to see the logic behind the story.

rationalthought314 · 2018-08-12T15:05:28+00:00

You can be friendly with a woman but not friends with a woman because friends are the people ie guys you depend on and they depend on you. You tell them the shit that is bugging you and they won't tell others (vice versa). Women on the other hand will just think you weak and will tell on you if they decide they don't like you anymore.

Most of the time a male friend to a woman is a guy who likes her but she can't see herself with him due to a lack of bad boy tingles however she keeps him around like a pet to do things for her and to let her cry on his shoulder. Maybe she'll eventually settle with him after years on the bad boy train - hopefully he'll have moved on since then. The moment he needs her is the moment he suddenly becomes an inconvenience to her and she'll drop him without hesitation all those good memories meaning nothing to her at the end of the day.

2018-08-12T16:57:36+00:00

Being friends with women is like hey let me fuck that guy over here, and at the same time i'll get you to help me fix things, move things and do everything else.

MuhTriggersGuise · 2018-08-12T17:02:33+00:00

I never seek out the opinions of random females, and I'm kind of annoyed to have it inserted here. That's my thought.

deadBeefCafe2014 · 2018-08-12T17:33:22+00:00

Well, yeah. It’s possible for men and women to be friends ... IF there is no sexual attraction from both sides of the relationship. Rare indeed.

NotaGameofMonopoly · 2018-08-12T22:02:35+00:00

Context: https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1028302561470803968

decafbabe · 2018-08-13T03:31:10+00:00

What do I have in common with a woman besides sex? Women aren't interested in any guy shit, and if they are they're probably trying too hard/suck at it/trying to be 'different'. And the women who are legitimately into it are social rejects to begin with.

Gordon-G · 2018-10-29T19:46:55+00:00

I won’t talk or interact in anyway with the modern day thot !!

Title	What's everyone's thoughts on posts like this?
Author	penguim2
Upvotes	13
Comments	30
Date	August 12, 2018 12:44 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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