Logic vs Biological needs

2020-10-24T17:11:22+00:00

Why do you NEED to breed?

Yehiaha666 · 2020-10-24T16:34:54+00:00

Probably best to not have children after about 40 due to aging.

If you have enough money, consider a surrogate.

From my horrible experience, do not consider co-parenting unless you have an iron-clad legal agreement as women cannot be trusted when it comes to children (and honesty).

YouSaidChicken · 2020-10-24T16:39:07+00:00

However, I would eventually want to have children when I am older, like at 50. That is due to the need that some men have to leave their seed in the world. I kind of feel that life is pointless to live if I don’t have children since I wouldn’t really have any other legacy to leave behind.

I'm going to rudely (or not) say you're religious or a trad con. And that's fine, but that's a religious trad con argument.

You have zero biological drive to have kids. You have a biological drive to fuck, but having children is not one of them. Children are an effect of a drive to fuck.

You're "desire" for kids is 100% cultural nonsense. Now you may agree with it and that's fine, but that's all it is, yet some more cultural nonsense, just like religions and ideologies and all that other nonsense.

Your desire for "legacy" and all that is driven by ego, feat, and generally religion, filled with miles and miles of A begat B begat C begat D.....

...does this legacy do anything for you? What specifically. And no religious magical answers. Why precisely do you need to have what will in a generation be completely gone DNA base pair groupings into randomness and chaos and nothing of "you" will remain, and if so, why does that matter? Does some great grandparent of yours care that your eyes are the color that they are?

Here's an easy solution. If you want marriage and babies at 50, then have marriage and babies at 50. Most MGTOW safety features are about men not ruining their lives before 35 or so, when you're young, controlled by hormones, and absolutely fucking retarded when it comes to women, mating, their lies, and your thirst.

By 50 you're beyond that, so see if you can find some surrogate or woman willing to have kids and be married in her 30s. There's no law saying you have to be MGTOW forever. It's a lifestyle choice you make about living for you. if you change your mind and decide, yes, you're into wives and families, no one's going to judge you, nor should it matter if they did. You're in it for you, not a bunch of other people.

It's not for me, but if kids make you think you're somehow contributing to the population, good on you. Go do that with pride.

CuriousIncel2 · 2020-10-24T18:08:53+00:00

How those of you guys who feel this way deal with it ?

I think about the horror stories of how kids are being indoctrinated into radical ideology in school these days. How they're being made into useful idiots for the communist agenda by teaching them alternate versions of history and teaching them fiction as if it's history.

I think about how if I was unfortunate enough to have a boy, he would needlessly suffer in an increasingly misandric society. How boys are treated as inferior versions of girls and demanded to keep their rambunctiousness under control. If I had a girl how she would be peer pressured into promiscuity and single motherhood.

And many more ...

DonMelbourne · 2020-10-24T23:09:10+00:00

That's a good question, and one I'd like to see addressed also. Not that I want children for myself, but, as you wrote, for some men having children is a very important goal.

I'm guessing that you'd need to have some kind of financial independence so you can spend time raising your children. You might be able to find a woman who is happy to have your child and hand it over for you to raise, but the legal implications are significant. As someone on MGTOW asked, "are your kids yours?" Not in the biological sense, but in the sense that the government has power to take the kids off men -- the men's own biological kids! -- with men having little legal recourse. Your kids aren't "yours" at all in the eyes of the government.

So it sounds like the way forward is to make enough money so you can spend time with the children in order to raise them properly, and so you can lawyer up at the appropriate times.

Good luck, brother!

cleats4u · 2020-10-24T17:37:55+00:00

It's very simple. You want children...be able to afford child support and support yourself and two households. Make lots of money like a rock star. Or go to a foreign country with a lot of money. Marry her and stay there. Don't bring her here to let a Ashley Judd or Jane Fonda on TV influence her into making both your lives a living hell...but yours will be in prison under the watchful eye of the government.

MyLittlePonyofDoom · 2020-10-24T21:21:25+00:00

How those of you guys who feel this way deal with it ?

By being realistic and making compromises to achieve my goals.

qemist · 2020-10-24T22:06:08+00:00

Surrogacy, sperm donation, or go get a wife from the other 80% of the world.

TheApricotCavalier · 2020-10-24T22:41:01+00:00

I would eventually want to have children when I am older, like at 50.

Um. Im not a fan of your plan

I wouldn’t really have any other legacy to leave behind.

Well thats on you.

However, then I would have to deal with a woman to have children 😫. How those of you guys who feel this way deal with it ?

You can buy children.

josper11 · 2020-10-25T00:06:02+00:00

you dont need a woman for having children if your wealthy enough, you can buy the eggs and rent a surrogate womb to carry the baby. I think you will need maybe 300K-500k Euros to do this

DyingMisfit · 2020-10-25T11:33:58+00:00

Antinatalist here. Others should be too.

Solo_and_Simple · 2020-10-25T13:50:18+00:00

How old are you now? Is 50 a long ways off? If so, you have plenty of time to consider.

If you want a kid, I wouldn't suggest becoming a single parent. We all know the stats on that one, and if you don't, please check them out. Being raised by a single parent is associated with just about every negative social ill you can think of. I think you owe it to a child to have two parents.

So that would mean yes, you have to deal with a woman to have children. You don't just have to "deal with her," either -- you have to make her a permanent part of your life, at least for the next 18-21 years, and probably financially and legally bound to her.

I kind of feel that life is pointless to live if I don’t have children since I wouldn’t really have any other legacy to leave behind.

I can't tell you how to find meaning in life, but it sounds to me like you've got a very narrow scope. It sounds like, in your mind, the only possible option of a meaningful life is to have a kid. You might check out the work of Victor Frankl. He talked about a range of ways people find meaning in life.

jamminjalepeno · 2020-10-25T22:14:00+00:00

No point in having kids when your old. You'll be setting them up for failure unless you have a shit ton of money to leave them once you're dead.

ro_sun · 2020-10-27T23:15:08+00:00

This world is too fucked up to bring the kids in.

SmokeyRamble · 2020-11-01T19:42:46+00:00

...but honestly, the only time MGTOW life is hard is when I’m hard.

Dude just wants a fine ass once in awhile. Post nut clarity though...it’s so funny..

Title	Logic vs Biological needs
Author	blackstreetxy
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Comments	17
Date	October 24, 2020 4:20 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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