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| 2 | What are truly great people being remembered for?what we never ever think of is how many bitches they fucked I agree with what you're saying -- we don't remember great men for who they banged; we remember them for their great achievements. I did flash back to one possible exception, though. "Ghengis Khan strove for greatness [through wealth and power]. He is one of the greatest conquerors in human history. [....] He is said to have had hundreds and probably well over a thousand children. [....] By some estimates, the majority of babies born in… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/08/21 12:53 AM |
| 3 | OPINION: the internet is severely lacking "day in the life" videos for MGTOWHere's what a video of my day today would look like: Drinking coffee and reading Taking my dog for a walk (four times throughout the day) Writing for about an hour Browsing some social media for half an hour Repainting my kitchen for 4 hours (separate periods) Cooking, then eating lunch while watching Youtube Talking to a friend on the phone for an hour and a half Lying down in bed for half an hour, resting Masturbating (rare, but it happened today, so we have to film it) Taking a shower Evening… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/08/21 11:30 PM |
| 0 | It's starting to get out of handI've found that refuting them only leads to them name calling Right. Which is why I don't bother to argue with them. They don't have any arguments; they only have slurs. Sometimes it takes a few interchanges to get there, but that's where it always ends up. They run out of actual ideas, and they resort to personal attacks of one sort or another. It's very predictable. After experiencing the same pattern over and over, dozens of times, I have decided it's just not worth my time. If someone even a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 04:45 PM |
| 3 | I’m too far gone...That is a completely ludicrous situation. It's hard to believe those kind of marriages exist, or that a husband would even consider sticking around in that situation, but I guess it happens. Bizarre. And you're right, it's a setup for him paying child support on some John's cumdump. Not to mention STDs, which condoms are even less effective at preventing than pregnancy. Poor cuck. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 04:42 PM |
| 4 | MGTOW2 is succeeding dramatically going from 10K members to 40K+ members in a little more than a year.Yeah, I remember it being around 32k, about six months ago (?). It's growing very rapidly. I hope the mods can keep tabs on things. I'm sure they're busy. It's a good place to hang out. Plenty of good discussions, with mutual support, minimal hate, and a variety of perspectives welcome. I like it. It's the only free, text-based MGTOW community on the internet that I think is reasonable. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 04:37 PM |
| 8 | "Red pill" are simps.I've had different experiences with red pill communities. When I talk about basic stuff like avoiding marriage and co-habitation, they're all on board and supportive. But if I mention that I enjoy being in monk mode, not chasing women or female validation, it's like I'm speaking another language. They either don't get it, or they shame me as a "weirdo" and tell me to get out, I don't belong here. I can't generalize about all red pill guys, but many of them seem to be trying to learn "game," so t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 11:54 AM |
| 18 | Guys 40+, share some random wisdom.Think for yourself. Don't accept received wisdom, including any in this thread, or any you might read in red pill spheres, without passing it first through the filters of your own reasoning and experience. Decide for yourself what is most important to you, then make time for that. It's fine to have fun and entertainment, but don't allow too much of your time to get eaten up with external distractions, of which there are many, including not just chasing women, but wasting time on cell phones, soc… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 11:47 AM |
| 6 | It's starting to get out of handI agree with the notion that we're strong enough to handle some backlash from wahmen. Otoh, I find it entirely useless to argue with feminists. It's a waste of time. So I will not be engaging in any debates with them. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 11:42 AM |
| 6 | I’m too far gone...Well said. Sounds like you're speaking from a lot of experience. Appreciate you passing it on. I'm surprised to hear that condoms only have an 80% effectiveness rate. You usually hear 98% or something along those lines. The 80% rate is probably more accurate, though, if we're talking about real-world use vs. laboratory testing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 11:37 AM |
| 35 | Reading these stories almost every day enforces my determination to never get married.Sounds bad. One of the worst things about a bad marriage is that you're trapped in it (or you feel trapped). He doesn't see a way out. The way out is divorce, but he's already broke. Can you imagine what child support payments would do to him? Not to mention losing his relationship with his kid. I have to ask myself, too, why the heck are his wife and kid on a month-long vacation without him? That is pretty weird. I guess he's left behind, because he has to continue to bring home the paycheck, w… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/07/21 11:33 AM |
| 2 | Would you enjoy reading a book which contains a MGTOW protagonist?I'd probably enjoy it, or at least I'd give it a shot, particularly if it was more explicitly MGTOW. I don't mean through labeling, but just through the character's attitudes and choices, rather than just having a protagonist who was unattached. It would depend on what you mean by "MGTOW protagonist." By some definitions, many standard male heros (e.g., James Bond) are MGTOW in a loose sense. I wouldn't be interested in reading that. I'd want a more radical version, yet not a bitter hater. It de… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/07/21 04:34 PM |
| 1 | I stumbled across this subreddit and I was curious, do you get lonely?No, it doesn't mean you don't have needs for companionship or attachment. It just means you get those needs met elsewhere (besides through women in marriage or LTRs). You're asking about "emotional fulfillment," without marriage or LTRs. Other guys have covered many of the basic points. I'll just add one thing: You get used to it. You grow accustomed to what you initially miss. If you're leaving an LTR or marriage, you do initially feel lonely (or most men do), but if you stick with the lifestyl… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/07/21 04:29 PM |
| 4 | I stumbled across this subreddit and I was curious, do you get lonely?Right, and there's no "game" required. The idea of "gaming" a friend is ridiculous. You accept each other for who you are. But in relationships with women, there is always "game" of one sort or another. It's a stupid overlay that destroys the possibility of friendship or real closeness. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/07/21 03:33 PM |
| 2 | I stumbled across this subreddit and I was curious, do you get lonely?Hell yes. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/07/21 03:31 PM |
| 4 | Married/divorced men, did her behavior change after becoming married?Did her behavior change after marriage? Yes. What changes did you notice? Several things. She cut back on her work hours. She was already working part-time (4 days a week). She cut back to 3. My impression was she felt that now that she was married, she could relax. She could rely on my greater income. She became less affectionate. I don't just mean sexually, but in general. And I don't mean she became cold. She remained friendly. She just wasn't as warm and cuddly as she was, prior to the marri… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/07/21 03:22 PM |
| 3 | To all the people out there who hate this sub.Oh, I agree. I'm just responding to the OP title. I'm saying that the intended audience of the post ("all the people out there who hate this sub") will not listen or understand. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 11:02 PM |
| 2 | Question about inflation.401k and Roth are good places to park money, as long as you know you won't need it before 59 1/2. Within the Roth or t-IRA, it's best to pick widely diversified and low-cost mutual funds, so called "index funds," rather than individual stocks. The stock market should stay ahead of inflation, so putting money there is probably the best bet. I assume you know about asset allocation; if not, bone up on that. I'm too risk-averse to mess with crypto, personally. I don't like a lot of volatility, and … | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Coffee Meets Hyper-Judgmental Involuntary SpinsterYour mention of "very cookie-cutter profiles," combined with "gargantuan self-concepts" reminded me of a Replicant Phish video I saw earlier today. He goes over why most women are boring. They think they are interesting, because that's what men tell them, because men simp. But they hardly ever hear the truth -- that they are boring. They get their egos fluffed. They get their tedious stories listened to attentively. So I think this is one reason this happens -- why they "can't figure out what th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 07:04 PM |
| 12 | Debate between the 2 sexes is very difficult, because for women the group called "men" has a completely different meaningThe 80/20 rule describes this well. 80% of women chase 20% of men (the so-called "high value" men or Chads). Those men then treat the women poorly -- love 'em and leave 'em -- simply because they have so many options. Then the women turn around and complain about how "men" are. But they're only talking about the Chads they are chasing. The ones they keep picking, over and over. The other 80% of men are invisible to them. So whenever you hear women talking about how "men" are, you need to substit… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 06:57 PM |
| 2 | Question about a girlShe's a fake and a manipulator, dude. Dump her. She's just using you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Every man should watch thisIt's in my cue. I plan to watch it. Avoiding marriage is a no-brainer for me, but if I need more reason, I'm sure watching this will help. Honestly, I'm procrastinating about watching it, because I expect it to be depressing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 06:49 PM |
| 1 | Fake mgtow women.I know what you mean, and I'm suspicious, too, but I don't think necessarily every woman who voices support for red pill or MGTOW ideas is a fake/manipulator. Contrary to popular belief, there actually are women who are willing to see and admit the truth, at least as the downsides of feminism goes. I'm sure some of those women will later morph into anti-MGTOW feminists, but we will only speed that process by assuming every woman who voices support for our position is a fake/manipulator. Some are… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 06:46 PM |
| 2 | Imagine a future with perfect robot companionsThat would be cool, but they've got a long ways to go. Current sex dolls look fake and plastic, are too heavy, can't move on their own, and have no personality or intelligence. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 06:37 PM |
| 3 | Imagine a future with perfect robot companionsYeah, no kidding. Dogs definitely have personalities and wills of their own, if they aren't crushed. I had a dachshund who was more stubborn than most people, lol. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 06:32 PM |
| 9 | To all the people out there who hate this sub.All true, but unfortunately, the type of people you are talking to are not willing to listen. They don't care what you have to say, because in their mind, you are a toxic, terrible person. According to them, we are all misogynistic whiners, quitters, etc. (roll out the shaming tactics). And what we say triggers their defenses. They don't want to listen. They will not listen. In some ways, they are incapable of listening. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 03:24 PM |
| 9 | To all the people out there who hate this sub.lol, I love it. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 03:21 PM |
| 3 | To all the people out there who hate this sub.Interesting. I got banned for saying something realistic about men (that we also have conditions for our love). I think the moderators over there are narrow-minded dopes who get triggered when something goes against their "women bad, men good" paradigm. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 03:20 PM |
| 3 | Want advice from senior MGTOW MonksYes, I think that's true. I'm retired, been monk for about 13 years, and I have no issues with needing companionship. A few friends and family, plus my dog, is enough for me. Being introverted and having lots of other interests helps. Your grandpa had a very different scenario. He was married for a long time, then forced at a late age to make his way solo, with little experience with that lifestyle. That must've been very difficult and disorienting for him. At this point, I can't imagine paying … | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 03:16 PM |
| 3 | Want advice from senior MGTOW MonksI wonder how much was just for the sex, and how much was for companionship? I guess if you're paying a hooker, you've got to assume the motive is sex, but in my experience, a lot of guys seeking prostitutes are actually seeking someone to talk with or connect with. You'll hear that from hookers sometimes, too. They'll say that's particularly true of older men or married men. They aren't just looking for the sex, they're looking for a woman to "connect" with, who is nice to them, etc. I think tha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/07/21 01:13 PM |
| 7 | Want advice from senior MGTOW MonksSexual urges are going to continue to remain a problem until you're well into your 40s. It's just the way it goes. I'm nearly 60 now, and the urges have dropped off considerably. It makes me realize how much of a puppet to biology I was, in my 20's and 30's, even into my 40s. I'm not sure how to advise you to attain the enlightenment you're talking about. It's all very individual. It depends on your particular barriers, neuroses, and obstacles. It depends on your particular strengths and talents… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/07/21 08:52 PM |
| 5 | Real mgtow shouldnt involve the red pillHere are my main two complaints about the red pill community: They talk about not pursuing women, but instead pursuing "excellence," or "the best version of yourself." Sounds good, right? Trouble is, it's still a mechanism for finding, screening out, getting laid by, securing, and maintaining a relationship with women. That's what the purpose of all the alpha achieving is. That's what all the content is geared toward. That's where all their income comes from (from guys who want to be more succes… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/07/21 08:43 PM |
| 1 | I had to feel like I'm God's chosen one, I had to make up a fantasy about my life cause I couldn't bear the painful reality when I was a kid, but it's time to grow up and live in the real worldI found Karen Horney's Neurosis and Human Growth helpful in understanding this dynamic you're describing -- the manufacture of an idealized self to deal with pain. It happens to a lot of us, not just to abuse victims. She does a great job of describing all the psychological dynamics that come from that early split. You might consider checking it out. It blew my mind, when I read it 30 years ago. Completely pegged me. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/07/21 11:27 PM |
| 9 | Delusional womenYeah, it's narcissism, pure and simple. Me me me. No consideration for the other person. No taking into account their perspective. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/07/21 11:24 PM |
| 6 | What would it take for you to be with a woman?Well, she'd have to meet all my criteria, and I have a long list. And then, I would have to meet her criteria, too, and I'm sure she has an equally long list. The odds of both things happening are vanishingly small. We'd have to be in separate houses. No cohabitation, no marriage. There would have to be lots of room in the relationship for separate lives. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/07/21 11:19 PM |
| 27 | Aftermath of MeToo in the workplace and colleges.(White Pill)That is a fascinating account, from the professor. Thanks for passing it on. I love those detailed stories. And it's fantastic to hear that young men are pulling away, and some of them finding contentment elsewhere, besides chasing female validation. Some people would shake their heads at how society is going down the tubes (and I see their point), but to me, his report is a very hopeful sign. Men are just reacting naturally and intelligently to the threat they perceive. You don't really have to… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/07/21 11:13 PM |
| 3 | JOKER from Better Bachelor leaving YTube. Big Tech team up to Crack Down mgtow/ Redpill/ Mens voice. Watch his last vid to know the players.To clarify (since a lot of people just read the headline and don't watch the video), he's not departing now. He says maybe it'll be 30 days; maybe 60 days; maybe through the end of the year. He's not sure. It depends on how long it takes him to figure things out. It's a big sacrifice for him. The vast majority of his income comes from Youtube. I believe he said it was 95% in this video, although that may be hyperbole rather than an actual figure. His Locals community is fairly large, and he gets… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/07/21 02:04 PM |
| 2 | Don't make my mistake. Morale support needed from other men.The guilt says something good about you. You sound like a conscientious, caring guy. You want to do the right thing. You are responsible financially, and you want to take more responsibility by being involved in the kid's life. Those are really good qualities. So your guilt says a lot of good things about you. However, guilt is really only appropriate when you have a CHOICE in the matter. If there is no choice, then guilt isn't rational (because morality, good vs. bad actions, depends on you hav… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/07/21 11:27 AM |
| 2 | What’s in it for the men anymore?So returning to the original question, what’s in it for men these days? I would say the only real benefit is the chance to raise some kids in a stable two-parent home. I recently wrote an article entitled "Don't Get Married," so I'm not advocating for marriage at all. I think it's a terrible deal for men, and a huge risk. However, as I considered the other side of the issue (positive reasons to get married), the only plausible one I could come up with was children. Even then, though, you've got … | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/07/21 11:17 AM |
| 3 | Why does it feel like I always have to walk on eggshells around women?A few possibilities... It could be your own thinking and expectations. I don't feel this way around women (unless I'm talking about certain subjects; see #3), but you do. Why the difference? Maybe it's our different thoughts/expectations of women. It could be the women you're hanging out with. Feeling like you're "walking on eggshells" can be a sign you're dealing with a borderline or fragile narcissist. You could be just reacting to the fact that women are the entitled gender, the coddled gende… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/07/21 11:10 AM |
| 1 | Wondering how many of you are avoidant?Avoidant PD is basically the same as social anxiety. The person wants to be accepted, but is afraid that he/she will be will disapproved of or rejected. So he/she avoids the threat, either overtly (through behavioral avoidance of others) or more subtly (by blending in, by avoiding expressing ideas that might garner disapproval, etc.). As people are saying, one of its roots is low self-value. It also is rooted in personal experience (e.g., parental or peer rejection, bullying, etc.). To some degr… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/07/21 08:04 PM |
| 1 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?No they're not. :) You didn't explain your position, but you want me to explain mine? That's not how arguments work. Besides, the distinction is already clear in the poll options. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/07/21 10:26 PM |
| 1 | I don't care about anything!What is your life philosophy? I don't mean abstractly, I mean practically. In other words, what do you think really matters in life? What is of true value? What is truly worth fighting for or caring about? You have to answer those questions (with something affirmative) before you can move forward. If your answer to all of that is "nothing," you are stuck in nihilism. Then your task becomes discovering how nihilism is a false and self-defeating philosophy of life. That is a topic that goes far be… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/07/21 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Don't Get MarriedYou don't seem to understand what a population average is. Of course it doesn't apply to individual cases. Population averages always gloss over a wide range of individual variance. That is what an average is; that is what an average does -- it summarizes a wide range of variance in a single number. Of course it doesn't apply to individual cases. Anyway, no hard feelings, but I don't see any point to continuing this discussion. You don't know what you're talking about. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/07/21 11:18 AM |
| 3 | Don't Get MarriedI disagree that "only weak men kill themselves." I don't see why you feel the need to shame men who end up in that situation. Make you feel better about yourself? It's obvious that the writer hasn't experienced marriage or divorce Wrong. I'm the writer, and I've experienced both. I guess you didn't read very closely. since I talk about that in the article. I agree it's possible to pull off a "red pill" marriage -- if you vet the woman carefully, work hard at it, and continue to perform and "main… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/07/21 11:14 AM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedMaybe I'll do a Part II someday. I just wanted to get the main ones out there for now, though. For me, marriage has been off the table for years, and avoiding it is a no-brainer. I'd rather be talking about other things, but I knew I ought to cover the basics first, before moving on to other topics. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/07/21 11:07 AM |
| 1 | Don't Get MarriedOh, a combination of things. One of the biggest was that I foolishly married a single mother with a daughter who had emotional & behavioral problems. I knew it would be challenging, but at the time, I figured love would make it worth the hassle. Nope. Things just got worse after marriage. Went to counseling, no help. The dysfunctional relationship between my ex-wife and her daughter was like a vortex into which all the energy of the relationship was sucked. After a while, I felt like I was dying… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 04:34 PM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedThese statistics are widely known and accepted. The fact that you can slice and dice the data to get different figures does not render the statistics "highly suspect." It is just how population statistics work. You can always stratify the sample in different ways and derive different figures. You could slice it differently and get higher figures as well. This is not "highly suspect," but simply the way population averages work. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 11:05 AM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedI don't remember the details. It was for maybe 5 or 10 years? Something like that. It was ridiculous, because the guy never actually cohabited with her, apart from some weekend visits. The guy did make some mistakes, which helped to set him up. For instance, he talked to her as if they were going to get married, and he gave her lots of expensive gifts and trips. He also allowed her to store some of her stuff at his place. The lawyers used those things to make the link to cohabitation, establish … | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Don't Get MarriedFor the man, you mean? The only one I can think of is that, statistically speaking, kids raised in two-parent homes have better outcomes than kids raised by single parents. If a man wants kids, then marriage might have an advantage in that regard -- his kids will be more likely to thrive (on average). Marriage would have risks, too (e.g., getting your kids taken from you in a divorce). I have never wanted kids myself, but if a man does, maybe that is one advantage. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 10:50 AM |
| 4 | Don't Get MarriedShe doesn't need to "prove" it (in the sense of providing videotaped evidence). All that needs to happen is two things: The man needs to acknowledge that the pre-nup was a condition of the marriage. In many cases, the man will do this, because that was, in fact, the condition he set. He wouldn't marry her unless she signed. The woman then presents a tearful, emotionally moving and believable story about how stressed she was by all of this -- how awful and devalued it made her feel, how insecure … | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 01:11 AM |
| 4 | Why do people hate mgtow?Yeah, I think MGTOW is fairly pragmatic. A pragmatist looks for what works. Marriage and cohabitation clearly aren't working -- at least not for men. Same could be said for a lot of modern dating. So as a pragmatist, you've got to look for something else, some other way that does work. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/07/21 01:02 AM |
| 1 | Who started the myth that MGTOW means to not date womenA that poll is not representive but even if that would be true, what people answer to polls and what they are is not always the same. How do you know it's not representative? This is a MGTOW group, after all. What would be more representative of MGTOW than a MGTOW group? There were over 600 votes. That's a decent sample, at least for an informal poll. I'm not claiming it's a scientific, peer-reviewed study. But hand-waving it away as "unrepresentative" seems ill-founded. I'm offering data, after… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/07/21 12:54 AM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedYup. Incidentally, I shared that stat on another forum, inhabited by a bunch of women, and they did not appreciate it, lol. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 12:35 AM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedI'll have to check that out. Thanks for the recommendation. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 12:31 AM |
| 4 | Don't Get MarriedThanks. Glad you found it helpful. I'm not saying men should never, under any circumstances, get married. I'm just saying, if you do marry, please be aware of all of the risks and downsides. I didn't know shit about this stuff when I got married. Fortunately, I came out okay, but a lot of men don't. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 12:30 AM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedGlad to hear it, thanks for the feedback. It's still in the early stages, and I need to do some work on organizing the content. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 12:26 AM |
| 7 | Don't Get MarriedJudges toss out pre-nups all the time. You told her you wouldn't marry her unless she signed the prenup? Oh, you coerced her into signing. Thrown out. She didn't get independent legal counsel before signing? Woops, thrown out. She did get competent legal counsel before signing the prenup, but the judge -- for whatever reason -- thinks that the lawyer didn't properly educate her about all of the contingencies? Invalid, thrown out. Maybe you crossed every "t" and dotted every "i," but the judge ju… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 12:18 AM |
| 3 | Don't Get MarriedIt depends on the state you're in, but if you cohabit for long enough, you will qualify as "common law" married, and all or most of the laws that govern marriage and divorce will now apply to you as well. I recommend investigating what the case law is your own particular state, about "common law" marriage and cohabitation. It goes beyond cohabitation, really. There was a crazy case in Canada, not too long ago, in which a man who just occasionally had his girlfriend stay over in his vacation home… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/07/21 12:09 AM |
| 17 | Don't Get MarriedThe females will hate you as well, but for reasons unbeknownst to me. I’ve always heard from older women how if a man in his mid 30s hasn’t been married yet then that’s a “huge red flag” for them. Maybe some of you can further elaborate on this. It is because you are not playing your assigned male role, which is to be a provider and protector of women and children. By remaining single, you are rejecting that role. That's not a small thing. It's not just that you're rejecting the traditional male… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/07/21 11:59 PM |
| 9 | Don't Get MarriedSmart man. I wish I knew this stuff when I was 25. Would've saved me a lot of money and trouble. I live in a very affluent area of the country and I have heard tons of stories about couples where the guy is clearing well into 6 figures but they have almost nothing in savings because of trying to keep up with the Joneses. Same here. I don't live in an affluent part of the country, but I've worked with a lot of high-earning professionals, and I've heard many stories like this. I'm not sure how… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/07/21 11:50 PM |
| 0 | Who started the myth that MGTOW means to not date womenYes of course we have our monks, but that is probably a small minority Not a small minority. It's about 40% of this group, based on a poll I did a month ago. But I agree with your larger point. There are many types of MGTOW, not just monks. Many MGTOW continue to date, use pros, or engage in STRs. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/07/21 05:56 PM |
| 14 | Why do people hate mgtow?Because it threatens their worldview, the way they've shaped their lives, their identity and self-esteem. Because the things we say trigger their defensiveness and insecurities. Because it's easier to shame and attack someone than to actually deal with their arguments. Because most people are clueless about what is really going on in dating, in marriage, or in family courts. Because some men in the MGTOW sphere say stupid shit. Because if you're feeling insecure, you can boost your pseudo self-e… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/07/21 05:53 PM |
| 4 | What can I do if I envy women?Eh, I wouldn't envy them. They do have advantages, but the advantages they have make them weak. That's what being protected from criticism and coddled by society does to you -- it weakens you. They have also been lied to by feminism. Although they may be living high and mighty in their 20s, wait until they're in their 40s. Yesterday, I heard that the most unhappy person in the world, based on research, is a 42 year old unmarried woman. I understand your feeling of sympathy for men. Maybe turn th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/07/21 05:47 PM |
| 3 | I’m sick of all the posts on here about women. What are your summer plans fellow men?I'm going to travel to another part of the country and see if I would like living there better. I suspect I will, so I'll be spending a good part of the next six months or so relocating. Adventure (and a lot of hassle) awaits! | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/07/21 05:42 PM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedSmart man. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/21 11:51 AM |
| 1 | Don't Get MarriedYeah, there are so many financial entanglements in marriage, you can't ignore that. It really is a financial agreement, in many ways. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/21 11:50 AM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedThe link is in the article. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/21 11:48 AM |
| 4 | Don't Get MarriedYes, and that might be an underestimate for two reasons. First it was self-reported, so they might have underestimated their totals, consciously or unconsciously. Second, that was a 2018 survey. Given how recent the dating app culture is, it could be higher now. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/21 11:48 AM |
| 2 | Don't Get MarriedYeah, I'm sharing the article with some women, too, and none of them are pleased. They especially dislike the graph illustrating the relationship between promiscuity and divorce risk. They accuse me of being sexist (of course). | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/21 11:44 AM |
| 7 | Don't Get MarriedI'm sorry you had to go through that. Sounds heartbreaking. Glad to hear you came out the other side okay, though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/21 12:34 AM |
| 3 | The history of MGTOWGood to hear another confirmation. That's how Paul Elam and Peter Wright describe MGTOW's history as well, and I've heard the same thing from Sandman. All these guys were there at the genesis, so they ought to know. Sometimes you'll hear people say MGTOW is a splinter off Rollo Tomassi and red pill, but no. It was a group of men who splintered off from the MRA group. As I heard it told, these were men who got sick of trying to change the system and instead decided to just walk away from marriage… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/07/21 10:22 AM |
| 1 | I lost my way but I am getting back on the right pathTrue. As long as you're learning and moving forward toward your goals and values, all is good. Everyone has setbacks and struggles along the way. Keep at it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/07/21 10:11 AM |
| 67 | After getting ploughed by men in her early 20s, now in her 30s she wants to seek a "traditional relationalship" with her young 20 y/o boyfriend. Never have serious flings with such women.I like this part: "He has a full time job and works 6 days a week, which to me shows he's capable of supporting a family someday, which would be me and him, since I don't want to have kids." She likes him because he's going to work his ass off to support her. What a joke. Poor guy. Hope he wises up. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/07/21 10:09 AM |
| 2 | 40+ MGTOW How do you feel about being single and alone in your advanced years?Some of the decline was hormonal, I'm sure, but a big part was psychological, based on my experience with sex, dating, and marriage. When I was younger (20s, into my 30s), I idealized women and romantic relationships. I was very blue pill. After I had enough experience with dating and mating, though, I started to see through the veil. I stopped idealizing. I encountered the reality, rather than the dream. When that happened (and it was a gradual process), I lost interest. Dating and mating weren… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/07/21 12:28 PM |
| 2 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?Yeah, that's a whole 'nother animal -- sort of a long-term FWB? Friend with occasional benefits? When I think LTR, I think of a committed, monogamous relationship that goes on for years. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 10:38 PM |
| 3 | 40+ MGTOW How do you feel about being single and alone in your advanced years?lol, whut? | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 06:50 PM |
| 1 | Old affordable houses are my passion, and I see many of them. Having a paid for house is a big step to financial independence/freedom. Below are a couple of houses that I thought might appeal to MGTOW guys:Yup, I have TN on my short list of states to relocate, if I decide to make a move. Good economy, low cost of living, friendly people, insulation from the lefty lunacy, and natural beauty. Let's hope TN and other states (e.g., TX, FL) can retain what makes them good, with all the people from the west coast and northeast relocating there. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 06:49 PM |
| 2 | 40+ MGTOW How do you feel about being single and alone in your advanced years?Hey, I need something to occupy my time between making crappy movies and crappy videogames. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 03:15 PM |
| 5 | Old affordable houses are my passion, and I see many of them. Having a paid for house is a big step to financial independence/freedom. Below are a couple of houses that I thought might appeal to MGTOW guys:That TN one looks great, especially for 40K. It's located on "Stinking Creek," which might be part of the reason for the low price, heh. I see that someone has already snatched it up (listed as sale pending). | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 03:12 PM |
| 6 | Moving on from the redpill rageI agree that more "uplifting" or positive posts would be helpful, but people are naturally drawn to the negative. That's what gets traction; that's what gets attention and response. Relentless focus on the worst examples of female behavior is repetitious, but it can also help the new guys. It can even help the veterans, to some extent. After all, the cultural indoctrination around this subject is pervasive, so counterprogramming is necessary. "A red pill a day...." Although the positive stories … | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 03:09 PM |
| 5 | A lady finds out OP is a MGTOWPlus, if you hang out in a social media echo chamber -- like most women do -- then you will have no idea it continues to exist and flourish. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 02:54 PM |
| 9 | Don't look at them, look through themYeah, I take a certain joy in talking to a beautiful woman with indifference. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/07/21 02:51 PM |
| 3 | Docs Opinion. "You're saving a ton of money by not having a wife and kids"I should clarify. I worked in mental health, so most of the doctors I encountered were in trouble for various reasons (most of it addiction-related, but depression, trauma, and personality problems as well). I don't mean to imply that most doctors have financial problems. They don't. I was dealing with a small subset of doctors who'd gotten themselves in hot water. I do think, though, that doctors often lack interpersonal skills and experience growing up, and this gets exacerbated by the long gr… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/07/21 09:47 PM |
| 3 | CultIt's even close to being a cult. You have to be ignorant of both MGTOW and cults, to ascribe that label to it. The people who say these things are not making rational statements or arguments. They are just making slurs. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/07/21 08:23 PM |
| 30 | 40+ MGTOW How do you feel about being single and alone in your advanced years?I feel good about it. I disagree with "alone" being in the title. Being single doesn't mean you're alone. It just means you don't have a wife (or, in my case, girlfriend). But I have family, I have friends, I have a dog, and I have a spiritual connection. I'm not alone. But I am single, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I've tried marriage. I've tried LTRs, STRs, and one-night stands. I prefer the bachelor/monk life. It is simpler. It is more free. I have more control over where my time, mon… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/07/21 08:19 PM |
| 3 | Lost childhoodPeople say I just need to heal and I'll be ready to date. But healing takes many years. I lost my childhood and I'm slowly trying to develop a sense of self and give myself a peaceful childhood that I never got to enjoy. I'm taking the time to live life on my own terms. I don't want to put myself out there and start dating because I'm afraid I will lose everything that I worked so hard for. Dating feels unnatural because there is so much catching up I need to do. That makes sense. You've got t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/07/21 12:06 PM |
| 3 | What Is a Good Life?I agree that inner work is essential to living a good, contented life. That has psychological elements (e.g., rooting out negative beliefs), spiritual elements (connecting to something bigger than just your own ego), and elements of wisdom and character development. I sense a little "law of attraction" stuff here, though, and I'm suspicious of that. For instance, the talk of "alignment" and the statement that "If there is anything missing I want, I will just make it happen. [... It] requires not… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/07/21 11:58 AM |
| 3 | I had no clue Bob Marley thought this wayBob needs to work on his grammar. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/07/21 11:52 AM |
| 10 | Docs Opinion. "You're saving a ton of money by not having a wife and kids"I knew a lot of doctors in my career. Many of them were not very socially skilled, and one of the benefits of being a doctor (in their mind) was their ability to attract women who wouldn't go near them in high school or college. Trouble was, the women they choose were often materialistic, status-seeking types who sought "a Doctor" as a husband, because of the money and prestige attached. So these doctors, who made hundreds of thousands of dollars, often had financial problems. They were broke, o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/07/21 11:50 AM |
| 2 | Do you believe in Romantic Love? or is it just a myth?And those are the long-term married ones (i.e., the half who didn't divorce). If you consider the total pool of people who get married -- rather than just the ones who remain married long-term, that reduces the 25% to 12%. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/07/21 11:59 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe in Romantic Love? or is it just a myth?Well, I think the concept of romantic love is full of problems -- from the way it's promoted, to its history/origins, to its ties to marriage. That's too much to get into, so I'll just answer the simpler question. Yeah, I think romantic love can work if both people are contributing as partners, each one giving the other what the other needs. That makes sense. That's not often the reality, but that's the ideal. I also think some people can, sometimes, transcend the purely selfish motives we are s… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/07/21 11:56 AM |
| 5 | Well, what the fuck is the point anymore?If you don't see a purpose or meaning in life, make that your purpose: to find your purpose/meaning. Study the subject. People have thought and written about this for ages. People much smarter than me and you. Don't give up and surrender to nihilism. Dig in. Search. As for the house, you can make your way towards it. I know it's tougher for first-time home buyers, but you can do it. Get your income up, keep your expenses down. Lower your standards for housing. Find a cheaper area to live. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/07/21 11:51 AM |
| 24 | Women being angry with MGTOW and redpill knowledgeSaw him pop up on Andrew Klavan's show the other day. RP is hitting the mainstream (well, the conservative mainstream). Klavan treated him pretty well, although he disagreed with some of his positions. As for women's reaction to the RP, I think it's mostly defensiveness. They are offended by how it portrays women. It is not flattering. They're used to being flattered and protected from criticism. RP done right isn't hateful or condemnatory, but it is also not flattering or protective -- far from… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/07/21 11:44 AM |
| 13 | This is how rare high value men areThat's a good point, because the "obese" category doesn't include the "overweight" category. Women aren't just looking for "not obese" -- they're looking for men who are not overweight; who are fit and healthy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/07/21 11:38 AM |
| 28 | This is how rare high value men areFemale Delusion Calculator, lol. I've never seen that before. That's funny. Even if you reduce it to 5' 10" and 80K, it's still just 1%. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/07/21 11:35 AM |
| 3 | I've lost out on a lot of experiences most people haveI have a house, so I'm good. But that's something to consider, for anyone trying to save up. I'd also suggest moving to a cheaper part of the country, if you can. That can make a huge difference. First-time home buyers are in a bad spot, because real estate prices have been rising so rapidly. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/07/21 12:44 AM |
| 9 | Live Life Not To Impress Others, Rather Live Only For Yourself.Who always wins in the end? It's always the jerk, who puts himself above others. That's not true. Plenty of jerks go down in flames. Why? Because people hate jerks, and they eventually retaliate. We've really gone way too far with this "alpha" or "asshole" model of male behavior. It's not even true in the animals we've supposedly modeled it after. In chimp colonies, for example, it is not the "jerk" chimp who rules. Jerk chimps are taken out. It is the socially skilled and connected chimp, who d… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/07/21 09:57 PM |
| 7 | I've lost out on a lot of experiences most people haveThe things in "real life" that "normal" people do as adults do not interest me. Being married, getting a house, having a family, etc. None of those things ever motivated me to try and work towards that. Yeah, I relate to the feeling that "things that normal people want don't interest me." Seems like I'm constantly running into people telling me about stuff they've enjoyed, but which I have no interest in. I seem to be wired differently than others. I'd bet they would say the same about me -- tha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/07/21 09:43 PM |
| 4 | Question: How do I get my family to stop pestering me to find a wife.Try being honest and direct with them. In the assertiveness literature, there is a technique/strategy called "broken record." That might help. "Broken record" means you keep repeating the same idea, over and over, until they give up. For instance, Mom: When are you going to find a nice girl and get married? You: I'm not interested in getting married. Mom: Why not? You: I just don't care to. Mom: But why not? You should get married. You: I have no interest in getting married. Mom: But you would b… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/07/21 11:18 AM |
| 1 | Bachelor Shame-BustingThanks for the feedback. I appreciate it. It's nice to know that it's connecting with someone, even if you're at a very different place in your life than me. Thanks also for recommending it to your friend. You're right that I take a pretty neutral stance (not men vs. women, for instance). | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/07/21 08:09 PM |
| 1 | Alternative to suicideI'm not saying you should reveal your issues or your history here. I don't think that would do any good. I'm just saying don't toss in the towel. It's up to you, of course. Your life, your choices. I don't at all mean to discredit your efforts -- I'm sure it's been tough -- but in my experience, three years is just a drop in the bucket. It took me decades of work and persistence before things really started to come together. It was a long, slow, painful trek. It paid off eventually, but it requi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/07/21 04:19 PM |
| 3 | Alternative to suicideI notice that when others offer suggestions, your response is almost always, "I've already tried that, it didn't work." Someone says try to get help, you say you've taken Prozac and it didn't help. Someone says talk to someone about it, you say you tried that, it didn't help. Come on, man (I sound like Biden). There is more than one way to "get help" or "talk to someone." There are about 200+ different schools of therapy. There are dozens of medications. There are hundreds of thousands of differ… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/07/21 11:35 AM |
| 11 | Today in a Kenyan newspaper!lol, yeah, I liked that little admission. Refreshing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/07/21 11:16 AM |
| 9 | Today in a Kenyan newspaper!That's good. If she had not used the word "misogynist" twice, I would've applauded her, but even so, I am encouraged to hear (some) women talk like this. They're sort of beginning to get it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/07/21 11:15 AM |
| 12 | Do you hate simps?I used to be one, so no, I don't hate them, anymore than a recovering alcoholic hates practicing alcoholics. I understand where they're coming from. I understand the trap they're in. They are victims of social programming and false hope. I don't hate them. I feel sorry for them. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/07/21 11:02 PM |
| 1 | How many of you turned mgtow without actually being hurt by women?Been hurt? No, it's 31%. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/07/21 11:08 AM |
| 5 | How many of you turned mgtow without actually being hurt by women?Here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/m4w55g/poll_why_are_you_mgtow/ Results: 21% bad experience with women, no desire to return. 14% ok experience with women, just enjoy solo life more. 25% no negative feelings toward women, just have other interests that take precedence. 13% no luck with women, can't get into relationship. 10% Do not like, trust, or respect women. 17% Relationships with women are too risky. I bolded the ones who seem to be MGTOW because they were "hurt" by wom… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/07/21 10:46 AM |
| 19 | How many of you turned mgtow without actually being hurt by women?Well, I've been injured a little here and there -- you can't avoid it, if you've been in relationships -- but none of these were out of the ordinary, and I probably hurt more than I was hurt. I didn't go my own way because I was "hurt." I went my own way because I am very introverted, and I enjoy a quiet, solo life a lot better than a life coupled to another person. I have always been like this, more oriented toward inner life than social life, more interested in exploring unusual intellectual b… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/07/21 10:41 AM |
| 2 | I'm seeing a lot of females calling people incels in this subHave these people even read the MGTOW mission statement? Incels? Are you fucking kidding me?? My experience with women who use shaming is that they generally do not pay any attention to what your actual position is. They don't make an effort to understand what you've actually said. They just get triggered by a phrase, then they reflexively spit out a cliche shame attack. I'm also seeing more and more high-and-mighty comments from them when they disagree with a post or comment. They don't rea… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/07/21 10:34 AM |
| 5 | This is why I’m an MGTOW.I did a poll a few months ago, asking why people here had gone MGTOW. Iirc, about a third of them fit the description you give at the start -- they'd been burned, essentially, and just wanted nothing to do with women anymore (in sexual-romantic relationships, anyhow). But just as many, if not more, said they had nothing against women; they just preferred the freedom of being unattached. They had other things they wanted to do with their life, rather than pursuing women, relationships, family and… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/07/21 01:42 PM |
| 0 | I believe that there's actually a lot of great women in this world.I wouldn't say "a lot;" I'd say "some," but yes, they do exist. I live in a trad-con part of the country, and I've met a handful of women that I'd say are genuinely good people. All of them are married. I'd add a couple of caveats, though: I can never really know what these women are like as wives, on a day-to-day basis, behind closed doors. I only see them in public. In every case, these women are in relationships with men who are providers and protectors. The men are fulfilling the standard, t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/07/21 01:37 PM |
| 5 | Monk Mode AdviceYou sound like you're on the "hermit" end of monk mode. Many monks continue to engage society and even women normally; they just avoid sexual-romantic relationships. I'm one of them (so you know where I'm coming from). I'm very introverted and don't need much socializing, but I still connect to people all the time and would not want a life where I lived in isolation. -For someone off the grid, what's the best way to sustain that w/money? What's the best job/career for a MGTOW brother who wants… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/07/21 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Monk Mode AdviceI'll probably get some flack for saying this, but I don't actually have anything against women. Just don't want a relationship with one. Why would you get flak for that? I've heard that same thing said here probably a hundred times. I've said it myself many times. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/07/21 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Anyone ever wanted to live in a truck?Travelling and doing some camping in one, yes. Living in one, no. That would be way too small a place to live for any length of time. I could camp out of it for a couple of weeks, but that would be my limit. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/07/21 01:17 AM |
| 2 | Lifelong Loners and VirginsI "desire" sex because my sexual impulse drives me to, yet mentally I reject and hate it. Maybe I'm no asexual after all, I'm complex. Yeah, you're describing being ambivalent about sex -- having conflicting feelings/thoughts about it -- not being asexual. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/07/21 01:15 AM |
| 10 | More reasons why online dating and dating in general is trashI busted up at "must like kids." Yeah, no kidding. Hers. It is so bizarre to me, that someone who is PREGNANT would go online, looking for a date. Good god, this culture is going in the tank. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/07/21 01:11 AM |
| 1 | No sex with woman for life (extreme monk mod)Sounds like a plan. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/06/21 10:34 PM |
| 1 | No sex with woman for life (extreme monk mod)work 12 to 16 hours a day 7 says a week every week for 30 years save and invest 90 to 99 percent of your income than when you are in your 50s... That's not realistic. If you work 12-16 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 30 years, the most likely outcome is that by the time you are in your 50s, you will drop dead. And you will have spent your whole life slaving away, trying to pile up money, nose to the grindstone. That sounds absolutely miserable to me. Also, you can't invest 90 to 99% of your inco… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/06/21 08:02 PM |
| 2 | Love does not existThis was a hard pill for me to swallow. At first, I didn't believe it. Gradually, though, I came to accept it. Women love men for what they can provide or do, not (essentially) for who they are as people. "Provision" is not just about money (although that certainly figures in) about other things as well -- sense of physical safety and security, sense of emotional safety, feelings of excitement and adventure, sexual arousal and satisfaction, attention and validation, entertainment (e.g., travel, … | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/06/21 07:56 PM |
| 2 | My best friend from grade school diedHow old was, when he died? | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/06/21 07:31 PM |
| 2 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?Yeah, no such thing, imo. I debated whether to include LTRs, because those are a borderline case in my mind, but I know a lot of guys here (18%, according to the poll) are in them. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/06/21 12:22 PM |
| 1 | No cheating, nagging wife, happy life!Nice! Sounds like you've been through the wringer. Enjoy the peace and quiet. Take good care of yourself. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/06/21 11:51 AM |
| 3 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?I have a woman I correspond with that’s 2 years through a 15-year prison sentence Interesting. I've never heard of that option, never even considered it. What's she in for, if you don't mind me asking? We have a lot in common. I would also describe myself as hardcore introvert, alone but not lonely, not interested in pursuing relationships, just doing my own thing. I also agree that the hit-it-and-quit it is over-rated; it's also risky, especially if you do it a lot. The main difference I see is… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/06/21 12:32 PM |
| 2 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?lol, that's a good idea. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/06/21 10:21 AM |
| 3 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?Yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to establish a casual, friendly relationship. And they read it as sexual. I guess I can understand -- they get a lot of sexual attention from men, so they just start to assume "all men are like that." But we aren't. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/06/21 10:20 AM |
| 2 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?No, they're not. That's why I made two separate categories. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/06/21 12:33 AM |
| 2 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?Yeah, I think plenty of guys are still experimenting, trying to find where they land. Others may move back and forth between different styles at different times. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/06/21 03:48 PM |
| 3 | Dodging Single Shame, part IYeah, and sometimes, people don't even need to say it. We get the messages from the culture, too (advertisements, music, movies, etc.). It really can't be avoided. I think we need to arm ourselves against this stuff. It can be a real barrier to having a happy, contented life as a bachelor/monk/whatever. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/06/21 03:47 PM |
| 1 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?I think the biggest issue I have with the poll, is that the question asked doesn't match the answers provided. Your answers are all about how men interact with women, and not at all touching on the different lifestyles of MGTOW men. I think a better question would have been "As a MGTOW, What is your preferred solution for your romantic/sexual needs?" That wasn't the question I was interested in. Such a poll would include answers like "I masturbate to porn" or "I use a sex doll." I don't care abo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/06/21 11:51 AM |
| 8 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?Gotcha. I haven't gotten to that point yet myself (minimize contact with all women). I have gotten more leery, though. And I do run into problems occasionally. There are some crazy women out there, and even when I approach them in a friendly, non-sexual way, they have misread it and projected sexual motives on to me -- and some pretty creepy ones, at that. So I understand where you're coming from. That's the safer route, to be sure. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/06/21 11:44 AM |
| 1 | What "Type" of MGTOW are you?I hate the way this is structured Interesting, and thanks for chiming in. I disagree, though. First, your descriptions are far too elaborate and multilayered to fit into poll options. If you've ever constructed a poll, you'll see how small a space you are given to describe each option. And since your definitions are idiosyncratic (i.e., they are your own, not widely understood or shared), they would require explanation. The compound nature of your definitions complicates things, too. When people… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/06/21 11:18 AM |
| 2 | Is an unattractive mgtow person any different to an attractive mgtow person?Well, we know from research that attractive people get more "goodies" from society -- more approval, more promotions, less flak, more "passes," more favors, etc. We also know that they aren't any happier than average-looking people. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/06/21 12:36 AM |
| 2 | Dodging Single Shame, part II've never been shamed Well, that's good. Although, some people get shamed without realizing it (although I guess if you don't realize it, it won't bug you). I see a lot of it in culture and media, which is very hard to avoid. Or maybe you're talking about the conventional meaning of "bachelor" (unmarried but still dating and pursuing relationships). In which case, yeah, few men get shamed just for not marrying. I'm using "bachelor" in a more narrow sense, though -- basically monk mode. Or maybe… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 12:05 PM |
| 5 | Dodging Single Shame, part IThese exact quote were used on my best buddy by his brother and sister in law. No shit? Damn. Most people are polite enough to disguise those sorts of messages, or at least not say them that bluntly. I've gotten some of that message myself. It's weird, how sexual stuff gets projected on to single men. I'm fairly low in sex drive, so it always baffles me. It feels strange, to be the object of that kind of projection. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 12:03 PM |
| 2 | Dodging Single Shame, part IThanks. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 12:00 PM |
| 5 | Dodging Single Shame, part IHa, that's an interesting tactic! I'd never thought about that. Camouflage. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 11:59 AM |
| 20 | How Rollo Tomassi maintains his marriage?In Rational Male, Rollo makes it clear that being married (or being in any long-term relationship with a woman) requires constant performance. "The performance demands never end." He also talks a lot about the need to "maintain frame" continually. That is another way of talking about performance demands. So that's part of the answer -- he maintains his marriage by constantly performing and "maintaining frame." To me, it sounds like a lot of work. I'd rather put that energy elsewhere. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 11:57 AM |
| 1 | Can we take a moment to talk about toxic male friends?My post? No, I haven't even seen the show. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/06/21 10:41 AM |
| 1 | How to Quit Porn AddictionWell, there's a man named Patrick Carnes, who has devoted his career to talking about sex addiction, which includes porn addiction. You might look up his books or website. He's not the only resource, of course, but he's the one I'm familiar with. His most famous book is Out of the Shadows. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 07:35 PM |
| 3 | What advice would you give to a man to make the most of his twenties?Follow your interests. Don't follow the plan society has laid out for you. Try to tap into your internal compass. What really matters to you? What do you really want out of life? Go after that. Make a plan. Set some goals based on your values. Work at it. Read. Learn. It should be a time for exploration and experimentation. If one thing doesn't work, that's fine; just move on to something else. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 07:33 PM |
| 3 | Can we take a moment to talk about toxic male friends?In my experience, guys who were raised by single mothers often have issues around their masculinity. Because of that, they overcompensate. They act tough, pump iron a lot, overvalue sex, get big manly dogs -- basically act like a stereotype. I think that underneath, they have insecurities about their masculinity, and they're investing a lot in this persona designed to convince themselves and others that they're very manly. It's kind of funny and sad. p.s. I missed the part about him being abused… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 07:30 PM |
| 14 | Can we take a moment to talk about toxic male friends?Yeah, you're dealing with a narcissistic asshole. That kind of behavior isn't limited to women, that's for sure. I've known plenty of men who behaved that way. In fact, I spent a large part of my professional career dealing with doctors, lawyers, and other high-level professionals (all men) who fit the profile. It helps get them to the top, and then it gets them in trouble. Take some solace in the fact that these people look good on the outside but have very shallow inner lives. And their narcis… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 07:23 PM |
| 3 | Lmao chief keef with MGTOWYeah, divorce rate for second marriages is about 65% and for third marriages about 75%. Those aren't exact figures, but ballpark. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 07:17 PM |
| 2 | Thanks MGTOW communityExcellent. Good job. Nice work on all of those things you listed in the update as well. You're on the right track. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 07:15 PM |
| 4 | Time to say goodbye, gents.You are correct. I'm an older guy, and I see the same things you do. I hope you stick around. I appreciate the moderate, mature voices. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 10:55 PM |
| 2 | Time to say goodbye, gents.Well, the opposite of bad is good, but the real issue is, there aren't just two choices: "women bad" or "women good." That's called all-or-nothing thinking or black-and-white thinking. Life is shades of grey, not black and white. Women, in other words, are not "bad" nor "good." They are a mix of all different types. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 10:48 PM |
| 3 | We talk a lot about women and problems associated with them, why don’t we prioritize other goals in lifeYes, I have said the same thing in the past. But if you think about more than just hobbies, we have more in common than just "women bad" (in fact we don't even have that in common). We all face the same challenges. Many of us face similar self-doubts or struggles. A lot of us have similar joys and triumphs. Trouble is, those are more personal and complex subjects, more difficult to write about. So instead, we get lots of low-hanging fruit posts about women behaving badly, because it's so easy. I… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 07:52 PM |
| 5 | How do I eliminate my desire for companionship?lol about the cat. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 03:07 PM |
| 10 | How do I eliminate my desire for companionship?It's not possible to eliminate a desire for companionship of some sort, no. Human beings are wired to want some kind of connection. But that need doesn't have to be met by women. It could be met by friends, family, or animals, for instance. In fact, you can probably have more connections with others if you're not chasing women. Personally, I don't need a whole lot of companionship. A dog, some social media, some periodic contacts with friends, and some casual chats with neighbors/acquaintances i… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 03:06 PM |
| 3 | We talk a lot about women and problems associated with them, why don’t we prioritize other goals in lifeRight, the foundation of (persistent) rage is blame, which is the opposite of taking responsibility. It can be addictive. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 03:03 PM |
| 2 | We talk a lot about women and problems associated with them, why don’t we prioritize other goals in lifeYup, that's what the sub is supposed to be about. It's not that we need to ignore women or not talk about them -- but the emphasis should be on building a good life outside of chasing women, dating, and relationships. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Embrace being unattractiveJust FYI, the balance shifts when you get older. The 8/10 or 9/10 ratio stuff applies to young men (in their teens and 20s) but not to older men. When you get older, it's more like 50/50, at least in my experience. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 03:00 PM |
| 2 | Reliving life at 44 !!!Sounds good, man. Fresh start. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 02:59 PM |
| 4 | "Behind every great man stands an even greater woman."The saying used to be, "Behind every great man is a woman." Now it's "an even greater woman." That tells you all you need to know about feminism. Women used to support men in their endeavors, now they compete and (supposedly) excel them. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 02:58 PM |
| 13 | Time to say goodbye, gents.Understandable. I feel the same way sometimes, too. My strategy is just to skip over those types of posts and look for what interests me. There is usually something. But if you think it's better to move on, I get it. Thanks for your contributions to the forum, and of course, feel free to check in again whenever you like. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 02:55 PM |
| 2 | Missing Out on LoveAh, I thought that might be the case. Nice to see such open-mindedness, lol. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/06/21 06:25 PM |
| 1 | Missing Out on LoveYeah, good point. That's something I could've elaborated on, the between self-love/respect and the "need" for love. As your internal support grows, you don't "need" love as much. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/06/21 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Missing Out on LoveWell said. Reminds me of Jung's remarks on how some people are cut out for individuation, but most are not. I don't mean that to say "I'm special," but just that I'm different, and my path (bachelor/monk) isn't for everyone or even for most guys. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/06/21 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Missing Out on LoveHaha, I think you're the one of the few who understood my perspective. A question for you. I'm a little confused why I'm getting zero upvotes. Is this not an appropriate subject to discuss here? Are people just downvoting it because I've got "love" in the title? Are people here hostile to the MGTOW monk sort of position? (I'm trying to figure this out in order to determine whether posting future articles here will be relevant/useful). If you could give me some insight, I'd appreciate it. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/06/21 06:18 PM |
| 13 | An experience tonight while on the job.To all of the responses, thank you. Reddit does seem to have a much more supportive community than other social networks! It's just MGTOW2, not Reddit in general. If you had shared this story in standard Reddit groups, you would've gotten the usual sorts of responses. I think we have a pretty supportive, pro-male community here, but the rest of Reddit is kind of a mess. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 09:28 PM |
| 95 | An experience tonight while on the job.Well, you did the right thing there brother, that's for sure. No good would've come from having sex with her. Funny that she was a "feminist," but when you pointed out (accurately) that she was sexually harassing you, she retaliated with shaming language. Hypocrisy, thy name is woman. My guess is that your comment hit a nerve. Anyway, good job dodging that bullet. You played it well. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:51 PM |
| 1 | How can I be more masculine?I was kind of a shy, wimpy, small, nerdy guy in junior high. Not surprisingly, I got picked on and bullied. Although I weathered it okay, one of my biggest regrets, looking back, is that I didn't stand up for myself better. Yeah, I might have gotten my ass beat, but I think I would've felt better about myself. It's tough to look back and see your own cowardice (although I guess it could also be seen as prudence). I learned (over many years) how to stand up for myself. One of the big things I lea… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:46 PM |
| 10 | MGTOWFan is dead.Hey, that's great. Thanks for letting us know. I think that's very good advice. Arguing with those type of people is a waste of time. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:23 PM |
| 1 | When do women hit "The Wall"?Clown world, man. That is crazy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:21 PM |
| 2 | Anyone putting money away for retirementYup. I only started when I was in my 40s. I was late to the investing party. When I was young, I sort of sneered at money as being superficial. I was better than that (so I told myself). It took me a while to figure out that money = freedom, or at least, that having a big wad of money in the bank meant you could buy your freedom. I guess the trick is not to sacrifice too much freedom or happiness in acquiring it -- which is not so easy. Simplicity (minimalism) was a big help, too. When you keep … | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:19 PM |
| 1 | The 6 Misandrist ArgumentsI guess. I feel like I already get exposed to enough misandry, though. Don't really need to hear more of it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:11 PM |
| 2 | Don't forget that hate against men that feminism created is shared by all women, not feminists onlyYes, but it doesn't follow from that that all women hate men. For instance, all men benefitted from previous arrangements -- think a century ago -- that favored men and disenfranchised women. Does that mean all men hated women? | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:09 PM |
| 1 | When do women hit "The Wall"?Some older women are absolutely delusional. I have a female neighbor in her late 60s, and she thought I was sexually attracted to her. The woman has other problems, but it struck me as bizarre that she would imagine I had sexual feelings for her. She's a dumpy old fat grandma. And she thinks men are turned on by her? Jesus. Fucking delusional. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:42 AM |
| 3 | Anyone putting money away for retirementSmart man. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:35 AM |
| 2 | The 6 Misandrist ArgumentsWhy would I want to read misandrist arguments? | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:34 AM |
| 17 | How many of you have had married men trying to trick/coerce you into marriage?Well, it's possible that they aren't being nefarious. Married people generally think being married is the way to happiness and fulfillment. So (in their mind anyway) it's possible that they are trying to do you a favor. "With friends like that, who needs enemies," though. lol | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:33 AM |
| 9 | What wives/girlfriends don't understand about their husbands/boyfriendsYeah, I actually think the problem can be solved -- sometimes -- by simply explaining it to the wife or girlfriend. They can't read our minds any better than we can read theirs, so sometimes we just have to explain things. Something like: "I know you mean well and you're trying to be attentive and caring, but actually, when you do that -- when you come at me with questions as soon as I get home -- it makes me feel irritated and annoyed. I've just had a long day at work. What I need is just some … | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:30 AM |
| 6 | What wives/girlfriends don't understand about their husbands/boyfriendsOh yeah, that makes sense to me. After a long day at work, I would like to be left alone. It's actually kind of a drag to have to return home and deal with other people at that point, for me. I'm an introvert, and that means I need quiet alonetime to recharge. I know they're trying to be attentive and conversational, but that's really the last thing I want, at that moment. Like you say, I just want to be left alone. I need peace and quiet, not more talk and interaction. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 12:25 AM |
| 7 | I finally accepted being alone, I feel freeThat's a great shift -- going from pursuing female validation to pursuing what you want and value. Congratulations. One minor suggestion. The way you phrased it in the title ("being alone") sounded a little lonely to me. There's no need to accept "being alone." You can be as solitary as you want to be, but you can also have friends, pets, and other connections. All you are doing is forgoing a romantic-sexual relationship with a woman. That doesn't mean you will be alone (unless you want to be). | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/06/21 01:05 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW Needs Renovation And RefurbishmentI’d argue that incels could potentially become mgtow if they themselves dropped the title. Potentially, although being MGTOW is about a lot more than just what you call yourself. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/06/21 12:57 AM |
| 2 | Don't forget that hate against men that feminism created is shared by all women, not feminists onlyI agree with your general thoughts on feminism, but I disagree with the statement in your title that all women hate men. That's one of those overly broad generalizations that is just not true. And I don't think you made a case for it in what you wrote, either. Sure, women as a whole supported feminism. That doesn't mean all women hate men. I mean, a single counterexample is enough to refute the statement that "all women hate men." I know more than one counterexample. I'm sure most of us do. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/06/21 12:53 AM |
| 3 | Baby Rabies Is DisgustingYeah, women always seem to rally around other women, even when the woman is on screen. They get defensive and want to "explain" why the woman's behavior was justifiable. I've seen this a lot myself. It's weird, because I don't have a similar urge, as a man. If some guy in a movie acts like a dirtbag, I don't feel the urge to defend his actions. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/06/21 08:59 PM |
| 10 | MGTOW Needs Renovation And RefurbishmentI'm not sure I understand your arguments, but I'll give some responses. MGTOW does tend to have more conservative or libertarian types than leftist types, but I don't know if it's a "right-wing safe haven," which implies some kind of monolithic groupthink. Every group has its political biases; you can't get rid of them. "Not anti-feminism but one step deeper." You're suggesting that discussions of Briffault's Law and so forth are "deeper" than anti-feminism. I'm not sure I understand why that's … | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/06/21 08:57 PM |
| 4 | Being MAGTOW for 2 MonthsMAGTOW? That's how Daisy Cousens pronounced it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/06/21 09:40 PM |
| 1 | Important that we don’t act like victims on this forumVery true. This is one of the basic choices in life. You either blame others/society or you take responsibility for yourself (how you are perceiving/reacting/adapting). The former is a temporary ego boost that leaves you powerless, stuck, and angry in the long run. The latter is more difficult, but it is the road to psychological growth and maturity. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/06/21 09:14 PM |
| 4 | Types of ApologiesThe Apology that is a Confession of Guilt: Apologizing to the identity politics mob. They will take your apology as a confession of guilt, and they will only come at you harder and more punishing. This is one type of apology you should never give. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/06/21 09:06 PM |
| 1 | What do I do with my rage?Remember that blaming others/society will never do a damn thing for you. It will only make you feel like a powerless victim. Don't be a victim. It's a shitty way to live, always resenting and blaming and pointing the finger. Leave that for the feminists. It's a corny old saying, but "whenever you point the finger at someone, you've got three more pointed back at you." In other words, instead of blaming, take responsibility for creating the problem (the one in your head, I mean -- not the externa… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/06/21 01:41 AM |
| 2 | What are some of your hobbies?Maybe if I have time will develop FTL travel lol | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/06/21 01:35 AM |
| 3 | It took me 25 years to understand that Mario from the Nintendo franchise was the ultimate simp (White Knight).Yup. I agree with all of that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 06:02 PM |
| 5 | It took me 25 years to understand that Mario from the Nintendo franchise was the ultimate simp (White Knight).I'm guessing you play games but don't read gaming forums or news sites, because it was all over the latter a few years back. She was part of Gamergate, which even made it into the mainstream press. Huge kerfuffle. I was going to provide a link, but I don't want to give her any traffic. If you like, just search her name and "damsel in distress," and the video I'm referencing will pop up. Or, if you want a wider (though probably distorted) picture, search her name and Gamergate. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 06:01 PM |
| 1 | Looking for some adviceSounds like test anxiety. In a nutshell, there are two main strategies: working with your thoughts, and exposure. WillFred mentioned some of the former -- using cognitive reframing and coping self-statements to help. You can find plenty of other ideas online. Just search "test anxiety." The second component -- exposure -- means you have to face the fear before it really goes away. That's how it is for all anxiety. So, part of this is just having the experience and learning that you can deal with… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 02:50 PM |
| 3 | Evening, gents. Bear with me...I'm glad you survived being a male feminist and came out the other side intact. You mentioned that "Certain near-fatal events brought me to MGTOW." Sounds rough. Just one thought. In the past six years, have stopped. They no longer SIMP, for love or any other reason. They gave gone MGTOW, Some have, but I suspect the majority have not gone MGTOW; they've just learned that simping isn't an effective way to get in women's pants. This is now common knowledge (at least if you search for dating advic… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 02:42 PM |
| 2 | What are some of your hobbies?I'm more intellectually driven, so my hobbies tend to go in that direction. Reading is a big one. I'm always in the middle of half a dozen books. I also blog, because I like expressing my ideas in writing. I've always been a big reader and writer, so that's a natural fit for me, although it might not be for you. I play an occasional videogame. I guess you could call that a hobby, although I think of it more as entertainment. I ride my bike daily. Is that a hobby? I guess so. I just like getting … | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 02:36 PM |
| 8 | It took me 25 years to understand that Mario from the Nintendo franchise was the ultimate simp (White Knight).If you're a gamer, I'm sure you are aware of Anita Sarkeesian and her diatribes against this "damsel in distress" trope. Her objection is that this trope demeans and disempowers women, because it portrays them as a passive object, unable to help themselves, waiting for a man to heroically save the day. Put aside all of her toxicity and distortions, and she had a point. It was hardly an original one; it was something feminists had been banging on about for decades. She just applied the idea to vi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 02:27 PM |
| 1 | "I know you ain't used to a female Alpha" - Dua LipaOh, I know... | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/06/21 09:42 PM |
| 1 | “Women have been disproportionately affected by the pandemic”Reminds me of Hilary Clinton's famous line that "women have always been the primary victims of war." The solipsism! | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/06/21 08:58 PM |
| 1 | "24.5% of women in the U.S. had some type of mental illness in the past year"What? Men have mental health issues, too? Get out of here with those facts! p.s. I also want to add, the DSM has ballooned so dramatically that nearly anyone can find themselves somewhere in its pages, if they look hard enough. I'll bet "Bad Hair Day" will be a diagnosable mental condition in DSM VI. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/06/21 08:53 PM |
| 1 | "I know you ain't used to a female Alpha" - Dua LipaI don't know why any man would be attracted to an "alpha" woman, unless he's sort of feminine and likes being dominated. I can see how being an "alpha" woman could be advantageous for business or politics, but in romance, it's a weird flipping of the script. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/06/21 08:51 PM |
| 2 | What is the most important reason why you went MGTOW?Almost all the choices are phrased negatively, with the man pulling away because of an aversive stimulus. There's nothing coming from a positive motivation. For instance, "Because I enjoy my life more single" or "Because I've got a lot of other interests I'd rather pursue instead." I picked "Self preservation," because it includes a phrase about "desiring a fulfilling life," which is positive, but even then, the term "self-preservation" suggests the man is hiding from some danger. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/06/21 08:34 PM |
| 2 | Advice from older menRight. It doesn't get triggered nearly as often, and when it does, it's not nearly as painful and overwhelming. And it's much easier to get past. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/06/21 06:51 PM |
| 2 | Advice from older menAbsolutely. And I believe you. I've known plenty of attractive people who struggle with feelings of shame or social anxiety. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/06/21 06:49 PM |
| 0 | Can I ve mgtow if I have a girlfriend?That would mean (I assume) that you're looking for a wife. In which case, that would exclude you from being MGTOW. You could still learn from MGTOW content. But you wouldn't be MGTOW if you're headed for or intending marriage. I suppose you could be thinking of the adoption and single parent route. That's trickier. Personally, I'm not a fan of that option. I think that if you bring a kid into the world, you owe him/her the best chance of a good life -- and that means (statistically) growing up w… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/06/21 01:11 AM |
| 1 | Can I ve mgtow if I have a girlfriend?Depends on level of commitment/seriousness, I'd say. People use the word "girlfriend" to refer to a lot of different sorts of relationships. Some fall within the realm of MGTOW; others (imo) don't. You'll find a wide variety of opinion on what constitutes "MGTOW." Everyone agrees that MGTOW means you avoid marriage, but beyond that, you'll find people drawing the boundary lines in many different places. My own definition of MGTOW is: "Red pill" awareness of women, relationships, gynocentrism, ma… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/06/21 11:52 PM |
| 19 | Advice from older menI’m wondering what were the biggest obstacles on your life journeys and what did you learn from them? I could probably fill a book with that, and neither of us have that kind of time, so I'll just mention one obstacle. It was my feelings of personal inadequacy (shame, social anxiety, insecurity, whatever you want to call it). It was a demon that dogged me my whole life. I only overcame it gradually, after many many years of hard work. I wouldn't say I've completely beaten it, either. I think of … | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/06/21 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Reasons to be glad you're a bachelor (11-20)Thanks, man. I ended up taking that article down, because I'd rushed it. I want to take more time and put out quality pieces, rather than brief listicles. But thank you for the positive feedback. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/06/21 03:56 PM |
| 2 | How it all came to MGTOWYou got this right: "I'd realized that all this time, all this while, I was a means to an end, some sort of objectified value that was being played with like it didn't matter how I felt unless i had societal, monetary or sexual value. I was a commodity." Right. Male disposability, utility. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/06/21 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Independence ain't dependenceI liked New Order, too. They came out of Joy Division, which was a trip. Good New Order songs: Age of Consent, True Faith, Regret, Confusion, Leave Me Alone, Shellshock, World in Motion. Age of Consent (1983): https://youtu.be/64dq\_8SW52k | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/06/21 01:24 PM |
| 2 | Independence ain't dependenceTake some aspirin or some paracetymol. http://goodbachelorhood.com/ | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 11:43 PM |
| 2 | Independence ain't dependencelight myself up a cigarette light myself up a cigarette nicotine really goes to my head | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 11:41 PM |
| 1 | Reasons 11-20 why to be a bachelorRepackage sex your interest. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 11:35 PM |
| 2 | Independence ain't dependenceAnyone who knows Gang of Four is good by me. Thumbs up man. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 11:24 PM |
| 2 | Independence ain't dependenceI found that essence rare It's what I looked for | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Independence ain't dependenceVery cool, thank you very much. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 10:42 PM |
| 2 | Independence ain't dependenceYou got the Gang of Four reference? Wow. That's impressive. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 10:41 PM |
| 1 | Independence: Foundational Pillar of a Single LifeSounds good. I want to get my own style established first, before I start welcoming guest contributors. I'm still trying to find my own groove. Not really sure what the audience is. It's a mix of men and women. I've been surprised at how positive women have been. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/06/21 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Independence: Foundational Pillar of a Single LifeRetired clinical psychologist. p.s. And sure, I'd be happy to have contributors. (edit: later on, though) | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/06/21 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Independence: Foundational Pillar of a Single LifeYeah, being on your own like that will teach you independence, in a very practical way. Men do learn independence in different ways. I've learned it through ideas, through books mostly. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/06/21 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Independence: Foundational Pillar of a Single LifeHaha, glad you liked it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/06/21 10:25 PM |
| 2 | Independence: Foundational Pillar of a Single LifeThank you, sir. Appreciate it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/06/21 05:49 PM |
| 3 | It’s always about what the wife wants.Yes, I heard that women make 80% (?) of the financial decisions in the family, and these would all be financial decisions -- where to live, what to spend money on, where the kids will go to school, etc. The way I heard it put was, the man makes (most of) the money, but it is the woman who directs that money. Very true. One of the many reasons I avoid marriage. I would like to direct the flow of my own money, thank you very much. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/05/21 09:42 PM |
| 1 | Started a blog, Good BachelorhoodThanks, man. Appreciate the support. I'm working on content now. I'm genuinely interested in the topics, so that should keep me going. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/05/21 12:04 AM |
| 6 | Feels nice being a late 30s invisible MGTOW monkYes, I agree, and that's a good point. Living without any sort of love in your life is not a good thing. However, maybe what the OP meant by "love" is romantic love. The word "love" can be a little confusing, because it can mean so many things. There are, of course, many types of love besides romantic. There is brotherly/sisterly love. There is love of a friend (including animals). There is spiritual love (agape). There is love of an idea, or love for a cause. There is love of life itself, or of… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/05/21 09:17 PM |
| 16 | Feels nice being a late 30s invisible MGTOW monkVery nice. Congrats on getting through the hard part. You sound at peace. I think it's a great lifestyle (monk) and have been living it for many years myself. p.s. The only caution I'd have is about the "invisible" thing. You probably aren't as invisible as you feel. You're actually at the period where most men hit their SMV peak. Women are still going to be interested in you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/05/21 09:08 PM |
| 2 | Started a blog, Good BachelorhoodThanks, man. Appreciate it. Working on my next post now. I tend to do a lot of work prior to publishing something -- organizing, writing, rewriting half a dozen times -- so content will come in a trickle, rather than fast and furious. But I want it to be good quality, not just slapdash. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/05/21 11:53 AM |
| 3 | Started a blog, Good BachelorhoodYes, that has been my experience, too. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/05/21 11:57 PM |
| 5 | Started a blog, Good BachelorhoodYup. I shall endeavor to discipline myself. Not my strong suit, but I'll give it a shot! | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/05/21 11:56 PM |
| 2 | Started a blog, Good BachelorhoodThanks, Don. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/05/21 11:55 PM |
| 1 | My mother refuses to disconnect from her fears and wants everyone to be afraid, because she is afraid.Oh, okay. You ended your post with, "How would you deal with her?" which sounded to me like a request for advice about how to handle it. Never mind! :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/05/21 11:49 AM |
| 2 | My mother refuses to disconnect from her fears and wants everyone to be afraid, because she is afraid.Not in general, but in this case, yes -- or rather maybe. It's one option. There are a lot of options. Obfuscation ("I decided to go a different way" -- without detailed explanation) is actually a tactic they discuss in the assertiveness literature called "fogging." Instead of responding by contradicting her and then explaining why she is wrong, you reply in vague ways: "thanks for the input" "I'll think about that" ... "you could be right." You fog, obfuscate. I'm not saying that's the best opt… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/05/21 09:27 PM |
| 4 | My MGTOW ArgumentI'll just comment on Option #3, emotional connection/bond. You say it boils down to two choices: "Option 1: Sink your entire emotional investment potential into a single person aka your romantic partner. If you do, you'll have extreme highs and extremely detrimental returns on your investment, which can be terminated at any time." I'd suggest that's an unfair, slanted way to frame the option. I'll make two points. I'm saying all this, btw, as someone who's averse to marriage and LTRs, and who ha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/05/21 03:56 PM |
| 1 | What part of domestic violence do you guys attribute to women keeping on fucking ranting and nagging and inciting when the man clearly is aggrieved?https://youtu.be/rksKvZoUCPQ | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/05/21 03:37 PM |
| 2 | My mother refuses to disconnect from her fears and wants everyone to be afraid, because she is afraid.When she comes back to you later, why can't you just say you decided to go a different way? | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/05/21 03:36 PM |
| 1 | What part of domestic violence do you guys attribute to women keeping on fucking ranting and nagging and inciting when the man clearly is aggrieved?Reminds me of Bill Burr's schtick on this. I'm sure most of us have seen it. Pretty funny if you haven't. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/05/21 11:40 AM |
| 3 | What part of domestic violence do you guys attribute to women keeping on fucking ranting and nagging and inciting when the man clearly is aggrieved?I would cut myself off from any woman who behaved that way. You're describing an abusive woman. I would have zero contact with a woman who behaved like that. That woman is crazy and abusive. Cut off. No contact. That's what I'd do. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/05/21 11:39 AM |
| 3 | My mother refuses to disconnect from her fears and wants everyone to be afraid, because she is afraid.Well, I'd say the problem is not so much her anxiety, but her need to give you advice about what you should do. People don't like getting unsolicited advice. It almost always produces the result you're describing: resistance to the advice (even if there is superficial agreement). That's why I always wait for someone to ask for advice, before I give it. I wouldn't be typing this, if you hadn't asked for advice/input. Foisting uninvited advice on someone is an almost virtual guarantee they will no… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/05/21 11:35 AM |
| 1 | Stocks to invest inlol | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/05/21 11:33 AM |
| 1 | Stocks to invest inI would think pet stocks would be a good bet. A lot of single men will be getting dogs, too (not that there's anything wrong with that, I've got one myself and love him). Of course, many other prognosticators have already mentioned this, so the stocks might be priced accordingly. Personally, I believe in index investing rather than trying to pick stocks, but have at it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/05/21 11:32 AM |
| 1 | Who Is "The Gray Man?" And Why Every Man Must Be it, In Today's Clown Society?I've heard that advice, and I disagree, at least for myself. To me, the advice sounds like "keep your mouth shut and don't make waves." I don't like that stance. It seems like a breach of my integrity, to constantly watch what I say, in order to avoid offending the more extreme elements. Isn't that what they want anyway -- for us to keep quiet? Now, I should qualify my statement. It doesn't apply to other people, just to me. I've been a lifelong devotee of being honest and open, and I get a kick… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/05/21 11:27 AM |
| 3 | " Married men live longer" than single men. Is B.S.Yup, it is BS. http://www.belladepaulo.com/2013/04/debunking-the-myth-that-married-people-live-longer/?fbclid=IwAR2xZpT9j5dBjWSQ8CMG6YrGQK9yq76Dn5q7dzI9I5ziCGn\_i1jcJZiAoac | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/05/21 11:20 AM |
| 2 | Any trade jobs for young MGTOW?When you review the potential options, do any of them stand out as particularly interesting to you? That's important. You'll be spending a huge chunk of your life doing this. Make sure it's something you find interesting, not just lucrative. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/05/21 11:19 AM |
| 6 | How do I take life less seriously?I have a document on this, where I've collected some ideas and quotes that help me, because I struggle with this, too -- taking myself and life too seriously. I'll share a couple. First is from Deepak Chopra, who is full of shit most of the time, but I think he got it right here: "The ego is serious. It is solely concerned with power, control, and approval. The ego is easily offended. Whatever arrogance or self-importance people may project, if they are dominated by their ego, their underlying e… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/05/21 11:18 AM |
| 2 | Is it wrong only wanting sex?Sounds fine to me. I'm monk, but I understand the desire for sex, especially when you're young. I assume you to know to watch out for STDs, false allegations, "accidental" pregnancies, and the various traps you can get yourself into if you're not careful about the women you have sex with. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/05/21 05:38 PM |
| 8 | Is it wrong only wanting sex?Why are mostly woman shaming men who just want to satisfy their natural urges? They've always done this. The reason is because, by nature, women want men who will commit to them, not just bang them and leave. Yes, I know that modern feminism has shaped them to be promiscuous. But underneath, they still have female imperative to get a man to commit to them -- not necessarily to marriage, but to be in a relationship with them. With that comes a lot of benefits (security, protection, provision, ass… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/05/21 04:02 PM |
| 3 | College? Maybe... not the only path.Yeah, bachelor's degrees in philosophy get you nothing, unless you plan to go further in your education (e.g., get a PhD and become a professional philosopher). And if you're already 100K in debt with only a BA, I hate to think where you'll be after a PhD. I don't think there's anything wrong with a liberal education, though, in the classical sense of that word (not the modern "gender studies" sense of liberal). Learning about the world, history, culture, getting exposure to the Western canon, g… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/05/21 03:49 PM |
| 1 | There’s much we men can learn from our dogs. If it feels good to you, do it.No, owning a dog is not a "cope." I agree that some people can become overly invested in their pets, just as they can become overly invested in anything (pride, possessions, reputation, money, status, girlfriends, achievement, MGTOW, whatever), but owning a dog is not, in itself, a "cope" (something you do to avoid facing life squarely). That is an over-generalization about some pet owners (e.g., crazy cat ladies or crazy dog men), unfairly applied to all dog owners. You're throwing your net way… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/05/21 12:49 AM |
| 2 | 22M Left my girlfriend 18F todayWell, sounds like you made the right choice. You've got to take care of your mental and physical health. If your relationships are putting those things in jeopardy, there's something going wrong. Good luck on being on your own for a while. I hope you can heal up. Sounds like you've been through a rough time. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/05/21 12:43 AM |
| 6 | Mental gymnasticsI lost her at "false accusations are rarer than rare." No, they're not. It's hard to get precise stats, but most estimates I've seen fall around 10-20% (some lower, some higher). That's not "rarer than rare." That's not even rare. Then I lost her again at how she gushes over a man who "calls out misogyny" and "protects women." She wants us to believe this chump is a "HVM"? Please. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/05/21 12:41 AM |
| 1 | No social life nor social media presence. Should I be worried?I game and exercise during my free time. Read journal articles that interests me. And to be frank, i like it that way. Sounds good to me. About one on one conversation, well... No one else would want a conversation on misandry things that happens on a daily basis or men problem because it's really unheard off here. And even if they do, they suffer in silence more than some female who openly publicize their abuse. Well, it's a good thing we have online communities like this, so men can get togeth… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/05/21 11:41 AM |
| 2 | Just dumped my girlfriend that became a stripper, going my own wayGood, man. You don't want to attach yourself to people like that. The people around you have a serious effect on who you become. I was talking to another guy on this forum about this same subject, and he came at it from the opposite point of view to you. His girlfriend was cheating and lying on him -- he knew it -- and yet he insisted he didn't care. He liked the sex. She was hot, and that was enough to keep him coming back. I told him he shouldn't accept that kind of disrespect from anyone, he … | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Monastic LifeI was trying to think of any men's communities, and you reminded me -- they exist in rehab. At least in the rehabs that separate men and women. Of course, that's an entirely different context than the one the OP is talking about. I like your idea of checking in to such a place for a short time, then leaving. Going on a retreat, almost. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 10:09 PM |
| 2 | Monastic LifeInteresting idea. If you ever get a non-religious monastery for men up and running, I'll join. By the way, I looked up "monk mode" a few days ago. I've always associated it with the MGTOW meaning, i.e., no sexual relationships with women. I did not realize that the term had a broader meaning -- cutting off from all external distractions (including but not limited to women) and focusing intensively on training and self-improvement. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 10:07 PM |
| 2 | Thank you for the support, brothers.Awesome, man. Congratulations. I'm sorry you had to suffer through that marriage, but amen, you are free of it. What a relief that must be. You have the rest of your life to yourself, to do what you like, without that harpy dragging you down. I will do a little celebratory dance in your honor. There, I just did it. Woo! (Sorry, I can't supply footage.) Enjoy your life. Enjoy your freedom. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 10:02 PM |
| 3 | No social life nor social media presence. Should I be worried?You'll have to fill me in on the rest of your life, for me to know. You've mentioned what you don't have, but what do you have? What do you do with your time? Are you (for the most part) doing things that move you forward, teach you things, help you grow? Then that's good. Are you sitting on your butt playing Call of Duty and eating pizza? That's not so good. So a lot depends on the part you left out. As for "no social life," that kind of depends on you, too. It depends on how much you want and … | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 10:00 PM |
| 5 | A MGTOW legend died today, RIP Kentaro Miura, and thank you for 30 years of BeserkI see. Thanks for the explanation. I'm not into graphic novels or manga, so I wasn't familiar with him. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 01:10 AM |
| 3 | Proudest MGTOW achievement: Weird art collecting!You've actually inspired me to do a little of the same myself. At the moment, almost all the art hanging in my home is fairly serious, "adult" stuff -- you know, abstracts, impressionism, some folk art, some nature scenes. Just this morning, though, I was listening to a podcast while riding my bike, and the guy was talking about the virtue of not being serious, not thinking so hard. I do tend to be overly serious. Maybe hanging some "pointless shit I think is cool" around the house (e.g., old pu… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 01:06 AM |
| 2 | Anyone else feel relief?I drive my dream car, and that's a Honda Civic. If I somehow won something like a Porsche or a BMW on a TV show, I would put it up for sale the next day and pocket the money from it. If some dude out there reading this has some kind of high-end car, that's fine with me, as long as it's what he really wants and he hasn't bought the thing just to impress people. Yeah, most of the time, high-end cars are just status symbols -- they're a way to advertise that you have money. It's like a lot of exp… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/05/21 12:59 AM |
| 4 | Proudest MGTOW achievement: Weird art collecting!That's pretty cool, actually. I like how you embrace the "really bad art" angle. That makes me laugh. I like that spirit of spending your extra cash on "pointless shit that I think is cool." I'd like to be more like that, myself. I'm always so practical and pragmatic with my money. It would probably do me good to buy "pointless shit I think is cool." If I were to do that, I'd get some old science-fiction posters -- the cheesy kind, like from the 50s pulp magazines. p.s. I like your idea of hunti… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 10:55 PM |
| 13 | A MGTOW legend died today, RIP Kentaro Miura, and thank you for 30 years of BeserkHm. I'm not familiar with him. What's his tie to MGTOW? | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 10:52 PM |
| 8 | Anyone else feel relief?You don't have to please anyone. You don't have to impress anyone. You don't have to spend a bunch of money. You can just be you. Absolutely. It's a huge relief, to not have to worry about any of it -- living up to women's standards, trying to please women, wondering whether your house is good enough, whether your clothes are good enough, whether your car is good enough, whether you have enough "game," whether you are "maintaining masculine frame," whether she likes you or doesn't like you, how … | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 10:49 PM |
| 2 | A Graduating 19 year old MGTOWAwesome, man. Glad to hear it's had such a positive influence on you. You deserve some credit for that, too. A lot of people take in this information and turn nihilistic or hateful. You have avoided that and have used the information to grow and improve. Great work. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 10:43 PM |
| 1 | How laws of different countries affect wokeism of corporations.Nothing in itself, but when you make hiring decisions based on genitals and skin color, rather than skill and talent, you are sacrificing the quality of your product/services for the appearance of virtue. That is likely part of what has been happening with 343 studios and Halo. Judging by their photos, they are a very "diverse" group (lots of blue-haired feminists, etc.). Their handling of the Halo franchise has been a mess. If you hire based on genitals or skin color, you are by definition excl… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Who's the Darwin of TRP?Although I said "Darwin," I was referring to neo-Darwinianism, rather than Darwin's original formulations. Neo-Darwinism has a lot of problems. For example, 25 years ago, in Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, Michael Denton drew attention to many of the underlying problems. These problems have not been resolved in the intervening decades. Indeed, they have grown even deeper, and they have multiplied. There are now many serious challenges to Darwinism (er, neo-Darwinism). I could rattle off the names… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 10:24 PM |
| 2 | Apparently I'm the asshole for getting rid of my roommates cat they neglect and force me to take care of.As long as you handled the shelter drop responsibly, I think you're within your rights. By "responsibly," I mean took the cat into the shelter and paid any drop-off fees, versus (as some people do) just literally dump the animal at the shelter door then drive off. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 12:13 PM |
| 3 | How laws of different countries affect wokeism of corporations.Bethesda is now owned by Microsoft. I wonder how that played into it. MS seems like a rather PC company (no pun). Not as bad as some, but full of plenty of "diversity" initiatives. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 12:10 PM |
| 3 | Am i the only one who thinks sex is overrated? At what age am i going to stop getting horny? Any tips on how to beat it?Yeah, I've noticed it's harder to get hard -- at least in response to women or porn. I'll get an erection, but it takes more time to develop. It doesn't just *sproing* into action anymore. It's like you have to coax it and be patient. I'll still have orgasms, but it's often with my dick at half-mast. On the other hand, I still wake up with rock-hard boners. So, I know it's not a physiological inability to get a full erection. It just doesn't seem to happen in response to women or porn. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 11:29 AM |
| 1 | Am i the only one who thinks sex is overrated? At what age am i going to stop getting horny? Any tips on how to beat it?Oh, yeah, for sure. Lots of money to be made selling sex and romance. Huge industries devoted to it. It's not just the money, either, but all kinds of social validation, the weight of tradition, and so forth. I don't mean to convey that it's all just chemistry. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 11:22 AM |
| 1 | Who's the Darwin of TRP?I don't think we have a Darwin. We have Briffault's law. We have Rollo Tomassi, and maybe he comes closest, but he's more a father of the red pill, rather than some scientific genius who brought it all together. Btw, there are many problems with Darwin's theory, and I think he's become a bit of a religion for some people. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 11:20 AM |
| 5 | Is it just me who think redpill channels like freshandfit don't benefit men, it just make them angry and bitter ?I don't watch them, because they're geared to men who are interested dating and "scoring" with women, and the women they are dealing with are all just club-hoppers. I'm not interested in any of that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 11:17 AM |
| 3 | Went on a long hike by myself today. Reflected on myself, nature, and got distracted from the world and the unnecessary garbage.I was reading just a moment ago about happiness. One of the main levers of happiness (and this comes from the research) is just being outside, in nature. I put the book down, then came here and saw your post. So I had to chime in. Yes! When I was younger, I wasn't so open to nature. It was reading Camus at 23 that opened me to it (see Lyrical and Critical Essays). After that, I found my sense of spirituality in nature. I was an atheist/agnostic for two decades, but two things sustained my sense … | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/21 11:13 AM |
| 1 | Im tired of hearing my preferences are "toxic."They tend to be a little more religious and trad-con. Whether that makes them "different" or not, I don't know. Depends on what characteristic you're talking about. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/05/21 07:44 PM |
| 2 | Im tired of hearing my preferences are "toxic."Ho-FAX | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/05/21 07:42 PM |
| 1 | Im tired of hearing my preferences are "toxic."Yeah, that's the standard female (or male feminist) reaction to a man who has standards.Don't you know, you're supposed to accept and cherish women no matter what their relationship background, no matter what their physical appearance, no matter what their character -- because they are women, dammit! They are above your male judgment. Patriarchy, waah!! It's completely ludicrous. It makes my head hurt, it's so hypocritical and self-contradictory. Women complain about how men are falling short of… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/05/21 07:38 PM |
| 32 | Am i the only one who thinks sex is overrated? At what age am i going to stop getting horny? Any tips on how to beat it?Yeah, I'd say about 90% of my sexual experiences have been pretty forgettable. Maybe 10% have been really good, but even then, it's passing pleasure. Before you know it, the feeling is gone. At best, you're left with a fading memory. My sex drive has been on steady decline since my 20s. I'm 59 now, so I only get urges a couple times month, maybe. Even then, it isn't very strong, is easily ignored, and it passes within a couple of minutes. I'm glad. It's a relief not to be yanked around and manip… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/05/21 07:27 PM |
| 1 | The wall is non sense but honestly Who cares!!!I think the OP did, yeah. It was an auto-correct thing. Strange that auto-correct substituted "farting" for "dating" though. lol. Kind of appropriate. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/05/21 02:54 PM |
| 11 | Making women sign a consent form before sexual intercourse.It might help, but it doesn't provide complete protection. She could say you coerced her into signing it. She could say she was drunk or high when she signed it, so it wasn't informed consent. She could say she changed her mind after signing the form but you wouldn't let her revoke it. Etc. It could also backfire by making you look suspicious. I can see a prosecuting attorney say, "Why would you have a woman sign a form that says you're not raping her? That seems like an awfully strange thing to… | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/05/21 12:39 AM |
| 2 | The wall is non sense but honestly Who cares!!!Yeah, makes sense, because keto (at least many forms of it) often removes a lot of fartogenic stuff (fiber, fruits, veggies, grains). I was almost completely carnivore for a couple of years, and my farting decreased. I included more veggies -- avocado, cucumber, salads -- and now I'm farting like a vegan. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/05/21 12:31 AM |
| 1 | Father’s Day display at Walmart; sure helps reinforce my decision to go my own wayNo, it wasn't about sex. It was other stuff. She had a very dysfunctional relationship with her daughter, a hellion. We were very different people and shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. I was naive and didn't know what I was doing (this was back 20 years ago). But part of it was the "wallet" feeling -- more accurately, I felt like I was a source of security to her. I didn't feel that way before we got married, but I did afterwards. It's a lonely feeling (that's why I said "sad," a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 06:52 PM |
| 3 | The wall is non sense but honestly Who cares!!!This is one of the upsides of living alone. I fart when I please! Only my dog knows. I do feel a little sorry for my dog. Dogs have 1000x better sense of smell than humans do. Poor fella. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 04:06 PM |
| 9 | The wall is non sense but honestly Who cares!!!I farted in my 20s and 30s I'm in my 50s and still farting. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 12:27 PM |
| 2 | The wall is non sense but honestly Who cares!!!The OP says "the wall is non sense" [sic]. What does that even mean? The "wall" refers to the concept of women losing sexual appeal as they age, specifically around 35 to 40. How is that "nonsense"? In my view, the "wall" isn't even disputable, much less nonsense. It's very real. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 12:26 PM |
| 3 | Q for Divorcees with kidsI am nagged by the thought that I’ve not “stepped up to the plate” by getting married/having kids. That my life is incomplete or bereft of meaning in some significant ways. This thought depresses me more than I like to admit. I hope this makes sense. What would you say to this? I'd say a couple things. First, there are many more potential sources of meaning and purpose than getting married and having kids. To be sure, that is a traditionally popular route, but it's hardly the only one, or even t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Men and women love differentlyGood rant. I generally agree. I don't see love as quite one-dimensional as you do, as reducible to just dopamine and hormones. I also think there are different types of love, and lumping them all together is confusing. However, I agree with the general thesis that getting married is dumb. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 10:07 AM |
| 1 | Father’s Day display at Walmart; sure helps reinforce my decision to go my own way"A picture is worth a thousand words." | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 09:56 AM |
| 3 | Father’s Day display at Walmart; sure helps reinforce my decision to go my own wayThat's exactly how I felt when I was married: like a wallet. I feel sad when I think about that. It's not something I'd make into a "funny haha" bag. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/05/21 09:53 AM |
| 4 | No coffee or date walk, only dinnerlol | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/05/21 05:58 PM |
| 14 | No coffee or date walk, only dinnerOh my god, she sounds horrible. "We're going to see your table manners. We're going to study you a bit." Fake lips, too. She's had work done. Phony. She can get away with this attitude for now, though. Youngish women are the selectors, so they can be choosey. And with so many simps out there, and with the dating apps, I'm sure she has a ton of men beating at her door. I feel sorry for anyone who bothers with her, though. Her personality is trash. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/05/21 05:57 PM |
| 2 | Choosing the single lifeI'm with you. I talked to a friend yesterday. He was crying and stressing over a short-term relationship with a woman who had all sorts of issues. They'd had problems (of course), they'd had communication issues, the problems had triggered issues in both of them. He was really upset and obsessed about the whole thing, even though it had ended months ago. I tried to be a friend to him, but inside I was thinking, "God what a mess." I'm so grateful that my life is peaceful. I don't have to deal wit… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/05/21 05:51 PM |
| 3 | Why are bachelors so rare among financially successful men?I think you're right on target with most of those points. I'll offer a few more thoughts... If you are the type of person who orients your life around making money, if that's your main value and goal, then you are a rather shallow person. You are materially successful, sure, but philosophically, you are someone who does not think very deeply about life, think independently about issues beyond work, or ask the big questions. You accept the program society hands you. If you are married, you HAVE t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/05/21 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many men hate kevin Samuels.Yeah, that makes the most sense. Conflict/drama = attention = money. Plus you get to pose as virtuous, feed your ego. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/05/21 12:30 PM |
| 1 | Take me out to the ball gameYeah, European cities have more architectural style, to be sure. You can find some architectural style in certain US cities (e.g., certain parts of New York or even New Orleans), but even then, it's a style from the 1800s, not something with deep historical roots like in Europe. American architecture tends, on the whole, to be rather pragmatic and utilitarian, which is in keeping with its national character or worldview, rather than oriented to art and beauty. It's unfortunate. I do wish our arc… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/05/21 12:23 PM |
| 2 | Curious about MGTOWBest of all I'm not paying money to fuck a drug addict who has seen more dick than a truck stop urinal. haha, well said. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Thinking of creating a MGTOW-ish blog and/or Youtube channel, seeking inputThanks, I'll consider that. I don't want to bite off more than I can chew. I keep thinking of new possibilities (podcast, etc.). | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 12:24 PM |
| 3 | From a Spirituality perspective--- Most people are spiritually femalesJust some feedback, if you don't mind. I found your post confusing and difficult to follow. It might be improved if you would try to distill what you are trying to say, and say it more clearly and in a straightforward way, without so many tangents and qualifications. If you are saying that you can conceive of spirituality as having both masculine and feminine traits or energies, that's fine and consistent with a lot of spiritual belief systems (not just the one you're referencing). However, that… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 12:21 PM |
| 8 | Curious about MGTOWI'm older (59), so my sexual needs aren't very strong anymore, thank goodness. I don't have the urge more than once or twice a month. Sometimes I'll rub one out, but even that seems like it's not even worth it, sometimes. Most of the time, the feeling passes within a minute or two, and I get on with my day. Getting older does have its upsides, and reduction of sex drive is one of them. I no longer feel like a puppet on a string. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 12:11 PM |
| 1 | At a loss to commit to wieght loseOne of the problems people run into with dieting is that the dietary advice they are getting is off-base and contributes to being hungry all the time. "Eat less, move more," "eat a low-fat diet," "you just need to exercise more," "eat lots of little meals," and so forth. Lots of bad advice, much of it from "experts." I'd recommend Jason Fung's The Obesity Code. Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat covers the bases, too. In general, I've found a primal, low-carb, and mostly carnivore approach very helpful… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 12:06 PM |
| 1 | Any more Red Pill Book recommendations?Here's a link to my MGTOW book thread, where I briefly discuss a whole range of MGTOW-related books. Maybe you'll find one or two in the list that appeal to you. https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/huc6pw/mgtow\_books/ | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 12:01 PM |
| 4 | This sub is not about women.It's a fine sentiment, but the problem is, we see more posts complaining about the situation than we do posts that actually focus on the positives. I mean, we have posts like this every week -- "We talk too much about women, let's talk about self-improvement." Fine, go ahead. You start. But no one does (or very few, at any rate, whose posts get a handful of upvotes then disappear). What we see is one complaint after another, but a lack of positive, constructive action. To me, it seems as if ever… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 11:57 AM |
| 2 | Trust and respect goes hand in hand for a successful relationship.She's going to give him $5000? Wow, that's generous of her. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/05/21 11:47 AM |
| 31 | Ever Noticed How Men Don't Want To Ban Womanosphere subs?I really wonder why this is so. Why they want to ban us but we don't want to ban them. I think there's a lot to that question. Yeah, I've noticed that, too. I think it's a number of factors. Here are the big three, imo: Most MGTOW are libertarian, conservative, or centrist, not leftist. The attempts to censor speech are coming from the left. Most of us just aren't the type of people who want to shut down others' speech, much less "cancel" them. This may sound sexist, but I think women just com… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/05/21 02:36 PM |
| 1 | Whole food plant based dietYeah, I'm with you. I probably came across a little aggressive toward the plant-based folks in my post. There is a lot of anti-meat talk, though -- not just talk, but public policy and nutritional advice -- coming from the plant-based ideologues, so I do want to push back against that. There is a ton of bad, misleading information out there coming from the plant-based side, which is dominant in the media, government, and industry. There are huge vested interests in maintaining the narrative ("me… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/05/21 10:47 AM |
| 4 | How to start Investing?I think you're better off reading a basic investment text than getting random financial advice from strangers on the internet. Not that there aren't smart people here, but it's very hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. There is no way to tell if people offering advice have any clue what they're talking about. For all you know, they may be broke. I always recommend people read John Bogle's "Little Common Sense Book of Investing." It's a short read and packed with good, basic information. Jo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/05/21 12:48 AM |
| 4 | Whole food plant based dietI eat an almost entirely animal-based diet (with a salad thrown in) and have benefitted greatly from it. I'm not a fan of the whole plant-based agenda. The monocrop agriculture it depends on kills countless more animals than animal ag does. It also has devastating effects on the environment. The supposed ethical and environmental advantages of a plant-based diet do not hold up, when you look into it. The plant-based ideologues have done enormous damage to people's health. There is a ton of disto… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/05/21 12:42 AM |
| 6 | Porn died for me lolYeah, I find porn pretty boring. It's usually not even worth the effort of a wank. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/05/21 12:36 AM |
| 9 | Just found this group and love it!One of us, one of us... | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/05/21 12:34 AM |
| 1 | Moving Forward - Where do we go from hereI feel like a lot of content creators are really missing the plot. There's only so many videos you can make about never getting married, female nature, the legal system, why you shouldn't get married, etc. Not to mention PUA's that try to sell you courses a lot of men can really end up spending a lot of money on courses on "Male Excellence." [....] And I would have a channel out there too, but I feel like I wouldn't be adding anything new to the conversation other than what's already been said 1… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/05/21 10:05 AM |
| 15 | My YouTube account got nukedImo, it's completely and utterly useless to argue with a feminist. They cannot listen to any other perspective besides their own. No matter how rationally and respectfully you present your case, they cannot hear it. I've had this experience over and over again. I've also learned the futility of arguing in general. It hardly ever produces the outcome you want (i.e., change in the other person's opinion) and in fact usually just results in the other person digging in their heels further. But thank… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/05/21 09:49 AM |
| 4 | Finally came to a strong realization about my life, where I've been, and where I'm going.Thanks for sharing your story, that was really interesting and well-written. I lived in Provo for a while, so I have a sense of that culture. The Mormons really place a lot of emphasis on marriage and family, so I'm not surprised you had a lot of programming to overcome about that. Congrats for wriggling free. Interesting to hear the perspective of a mover. Do you think the women were "the boss" because women are generally the ones who care about how the home is arranged and decorated, whereas m… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/05/21 09:39 AM |
| 3 | Why I don't have any tattoosYeah, I agree. Even if I found the perfect symbol (which I doubt), I wouldn't want to stick it on my body. I mean, that's what bumper stickers are for. Which reminds me -- I even regret my bumper stickers! I only have one bumper sticker on my car; it's for the Humane Society. A couple years after I stuck it there, I learned how little of HSUS's money actually gets to the animals. Now it kind of bugs me when I see it. I'll scrape it off eventually, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. If I regr… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Why Men Beat Each Other Down and Uplift Women that Hate ThemSure. Men tend to be competitive with each other. It's unfortunate, because it contributes to men's plight (e.g., isolation, covert depression, substance abuse, suicide). Thanks, evolution. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 07:42 PM |
| 2 | Male PrimeI don't conceive of "male prime" in terms of superficial characteristics like this. It's essentially a feminine perspective, a female appraisal of men -- how you look to women, how women value you. MGTOW is about separating yourself from the need for female validation. Don't anchor your sense of worth and value to a female standard. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 07:39 PM |
| -1 | Why I don't have any tattoosMore mental health issues, too. It's just correlational, but still. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 07:33 PM |
| 10 | Why I don't have any tattoosI never wanted to get one because I am constantly revising and updating my philosophies, values, direction, self-image, opinions, and so forth. I knew that in 20 years, I'd be a completely different person, and what I thought was "cool" when I was 24 would look foolish to me at 44. I didn't want to make a permanent, irrevocable decision -- something that I would be stuck with the rest of my life, even if I grew to regret it. Also, I don't like needles. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 07:32 PM |
| 4 | Tik Tok is an eye opener…I don't know. Beans on toast sounds pretty exciting. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 07:25 PM |
| 1 | MGTOW TIPS: FinancesWould recommend John Bogle's "Little Common Sense Book of Investing." | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Thinking of creating a MGTOW-ish blog and/or Youtube channel, seeking inputThanks, Nathaniel. That was helpful. So from my perspective visual side importance of your material would be close to zero. Right, I'd forgotten that a lot of people just listen to Youtube and don't watch. I always watch, never just listen. I get impatient with a static image, but for those who just listen, that wouldn't matter. You should think about formula of the channel that can keep me (or other consumers of your content) occupied in long period Yeah, a lot of content creators do get repeti… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 11:18 AM |
| 2 | What book are you reading right now?I'll throw out a few suggestions. I recently finished The Story of Edgar Sawtelle, by David Wroblewski. Very good. Takes a while to get rolling, but it really stayed with me. Beautiful writing and interesting characters. Cormac McCarthy is often mentioned as a male-friendly author. He's the fellow who wrote Blood Meridian, The Road, and No Country for Old Men (among many other books). I've only read Child of God so far, so I can't vouch for his whole catalog, but that book (a novella) was quite … | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 10:25 AM |
| 3 | What book are you reading right now?Thanks for the rec. I've put one of his novella collections (Brown Dog) in my amazon cart. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 10:18 AM |
| 10 | Are we being invaded?I read the sub pretty regularly, and honestly I haven't noticed "more and more females commenting." I see a woman commenting occasionally, but there doesn't seem to be any big influx of women. Then again, it can be hard to know sometimes whether a poster is male or female. I can't remember reading anything posted by a woman that has annoyed me. If I broke my annoyances down by gender, most of it comes from men. Of course, that's what you'd expect, since most of the people here are men. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/05/21 10:10 AM |
| 1 | RPW LiberationYeah, I watch a fair amount of his stuff, too. He's a little on the negative side, but that's pretty common across the board, so no big deal. I appreciate that he keeps his videos short. Joker has taken to doing 40 minute videos, and Coach does 2 hour live streams. Ain't nobody got time for that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/05/21 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Isn’t even worth trying with women if they don’t come to you easilyThat's the first time I've seen someone use "jester" as part of a beta role. That's a good way to put it. Very common. There's nothing wrong with having a sense of humor, but a lot of men seem to feel compelled to be a jokester around women, to keep everything light and humorous. It might be more an American thing, I'm not sure. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/05/21 11:02 AM |
| 1 | Reminder that the great ancient Greek philosophers valued intellectual pursuit over trivialities of womenYeah, reading through "The Daily Stoic" right now. Good stuff. Lots of reminders of basic fundamental truths about life, which are easy to forget. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/05/21 10:56 AM |
| 1 | Another label for 'MGTOW' if MGTOW is banned?Haha, yeah that's true. I'll be on drums. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/05/21 12:24 AM |
| 1 | New Sub free from Gender WarsSeems confusing to me. The title says "no women," but the description says "without dating or PUA." Ok, but what about the hundreds of other subjects related to women and relationships with women? Are those allowed? Which ones? Where is the line? What does "no women" mean? There isn't any clear, specific description in the sidebar -- just a short phrase that doesn't say much. So, it's very hard for a potential member to know what the sub is about. I'd suggest thinking through clearly what subjec… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/05/21 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Remember: falsely accusing others of gaslighting is ITSELF a form a gaslightingWhat if you falsely accuse someone of falsely accusing someone of gaslighting? Is that gaslighting, too? What if you... oh never mind. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/05/21 06:00 PM |
| 1 | My fellow mgtow men: What do you like to do for fun + Do quality women exist?What do you like to do for fun Read, bike, game, write, hang out with my dog, talk on discussion forums, enjoy the outdoors, eat good food, try to learn something, take naps, ponder. Do quality women exist Yes, but the problem is 1) most are already taken, and 2) just because they're "quality" doesn't mean they are a good fit for you, or that they will be attracted to you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/05/21 05:59 PM |
| 2 | Another label for 'MGTOW' if MGTOW is banned?"Bachelor Band" is what they called themselves in the early 1900's. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/05/21 05:51 PM |
| 4 | How can I completely erase my want for female validation ?As far as seeking validation goes, I'd say two things. First, part of it is natural. For millions of years, we survived in small groups. Evolution shaped us to care about what others thought, because what others thought could sometimes mean the difference between life and death. So you don't (or shouldn't even want to) "completely erase" a concern for what others think of you. In fact, we have a name for people who have zero concern for what others think of them: sociopaths. Don't aim for sociop… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/05/21 12:53 PM |
| 5 | Shocking truth when watching through red pill lensesYeah, she sounds like an employee, sticking around in a job she hates, waiting to get vested in her pension before she pulls the plug. It's all about the money. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/05/21 12:39 PM |
| 2 | MGTOW shouldn't be synonymous with woman hate. At least to me, that isn't what it's about.I can see why your user name is "Life is Depressing." | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/05/21 09:57 AM |
| 1 | Boys, I’m 27 and have my life in order and am financially in order to retire by the time I’m 40.It's easy to say you're ready to go at 75 when you're 27. Sorry to hear that everyone you know above 70 is miserable and wants to die. That's not inevitable, you know. I know people in their 70s who are happy and doing well. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/05/21 06:57 PM |
| 54 | MGTOW shouldn't be synonymous with woman hate. At least to me, that isn't what it's about.I agree. Hate degrades the soul. Besides, it's dumb. It's on the same level as SJW nutjobbery that sees people only in terms of superficial characteristics like skin color. Women are people; they're individuals. Some are great, plenty are middling, and some are downright awful. Judge people based on the content of their characters, not on what is in their underwear. I feel the same as you. I don't have a desire for a romantic-sexual relationship with a woman. It has its charms, but there are too… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/05/21 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Some concernsI’m thinking when I’m alone and say age 50-60 won’t I be very depressed. I'm 59, have been monk for 13 years, and I've never been happier in my life. I am very satisfied with my life. My life is full and meaningful. I'm in good physical shape, my finances are excellent, I have friends and family I am connected to, I have a wide variety of interests, I retired early. Life is good. It's different for everybody, though. Some people need to be married or at least in a romantic-sexual relationship in… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/05/21 12:00 PM |
| 1 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of Divorce20% to 30% are the stats I've seen. 70 to 80% of long-term marrieds say they are dissatisfied, to one degree or another. Only 20% to 30% say they are satisfied. About a quarter. So that would mean 25% of the remaining 30% = 7.5% of people who get married end up in a marriage they describe as satisfying. The rest either divorce or remain in marriages that are, to some degree, dissatisfying. It's notoriously hard to get reliable stats on marital satisfaction, so those numbers are just an approxima… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/05/21 11:38 AM |
| 1 | Sub recommendations that are less women focused?Mgtow8 doesn't allow any discussion of women. You can check that out, if you like. Trouble is, it's a ghost town. The last post is half a year old. That's a good illustration of what happens when you disallow discussion of women in a MGTOW space. Doesn't work. Don Melbourne has a site, too -- MGTOW Lifestyle, I think it's called. He allows some discussion of women, but the focus is on self-improvement. It's not very active, though, and last I heard, Don had sort of let it go. Personally, I think… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/05/21 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Look bro I don't hate womenIf we are are all descendants of alphas Not all. But evolution works on a large scale, so small differences accumulate over time -- and the procreative differences between alphas and betas are not small, but rather large. I mean, that's what being an alpha is all about -- passing down your seed. Betas still got laid, too, of course. And by definition, there are more betas, so their seeds got passed down, too. And that's good. The world needs betas, too. You can't have too many chiefs and not eno… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/05/21 12:14 AM |
| 1 | I took some nice girls on a date.Ohhh... Otay. I get it now. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/05/21 06:56 PM |
| 5 | I took some nice girls on a date.I don't get it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/05/21 03:03 PM |
| 11 | MGTOW TIPS: FinancesYup. Here are my tips. Maintain a simple lifestyle. Keep your spending low. Distinguish wants from needs. Make sure that what you spend money on is worth the life energy (time) you are trading for it. Stay out of debt. If you have a credit card, pay it off every month in full, without fail. If you get a mortgage, work to pay it off as soon as you can. Avoid student loan debt as much as possible. Find a career that is both interesting/engaging, plays on your strengths, and offers a decent salary.… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/05/21 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Look bro I don't hate womenIt's hypergamy. Yes, it's gender-related. It's not about degeneracy. It's simply the way evolution has shaped women. The women who paired up with the strong and socially well-connected men were able to reproduce more successfully. The women who exist today are the descendants of the women who behaved hypergamically -- just as the men who exist today are the descendants of the alphas who more successful in procreating. Just as our instincts are shaped by those alphas, so women's instincts are sha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/05/21 02:44 PM |
| 2 | Bill Gates is single again, and,now, an undisputed loser.what fuels your love for meat? Health. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/05/21 02:41 PM |
| 2 | About lonelinessIt's a little too early, at 19 years old, to come to the conclusion that you won't find a good partner. You've got a long road ahead. You're just getting started. It wasn't until I was around 28 or 30 that I started to click with women and vice-versa. It takes a while for some of us. I was a late bloomer. Maybe you are, too. What I'm saying is, don't throw in the towel at 19. You've seen Tomassi's SMV graph, I assume. You're aware that your own SMV right now, compared to women's, is very low? An… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/05/21 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Bill Gates is single again, and,now, an undisputed loser.Yeah, that's why I said "pseudo" philanthropy. I agree that there are huge financial incentives involved. I don't think it's better for the environment. Monocrop agriculture and processed food (upon which all this fake meat is based) are a massive disaster for the environment. Fake processed plant-based meat is cheaper to mass produce -- or at least, they hope it will be eventually. The demonization of meat is incredibly foolish. I don't even want to get into that, because there are so many thin… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/05/21 11:49 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW TIPS: Healthdon't be exposed to the sun. It ages and gives you cancer. Not true. It is sun-burn that is associated with cancer, not sun exposure. Most people who believe this myth (it is widespread) have been scared into Vitamin D deficiency. Sun exposure is healthy. Why do you think you need to supplement Vitamin D in the first place? Because being in the sun is necessary, and you're cutting off your natural supply. It makes no sense from an evolutionary perspective to say that sun exposure causes cancer. … | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 10:47 PM |
| 1 | MGTOW TIPS: HealthLot of good advice there! Nice. Just one nit pick. Our ancestors walked the whole day looking for sustenance They've studied modern day primitive tribes, and they've found they only spend about 3 hours a day hunting and gathering. The rest of the time, they are resting, sitting around doing their little hobbies or crafts, playing, socializing, etc. Granted, they aren't sitting on the couch watching TV -- they're active. But they're not spending the whole day walking around hunting and gathering.… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 10:39 PM |
| 3 | Don't be afraid to burn bridges with women.Yeah, some women are just nuts, and it's better to break ties with them entirely. I did that with someone recently. Her response has been childish, but I'm sticking to my guns. I don't want a crazy person in my life. I've had my quota already. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 10:30 PM |
| 2 | Just want to express my appreciation for the moderating of this sub.Yup. I was a mod for a while, too (elsewhere). At first, it was fun to have the additional responsibilities, but I got tired of it. It degraded my enjoyment of participating on the forum. You have to deal with the worst elements, and there is rarely any gratitude, only friction. You feel like part of the "mod team," rather than just a member of the group. I guess I contributed to it, because I can be overly argumentative and confrontational at times. But I also felt that the moderator role was a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 10:28 PM |
| 57 | Bill Gates is single again, and,now, an undisputed loser.Wow. She's cashing in her chips, isn't she? Damn. 60 billion dollars? Yow! Hopefully that will slow down some of his fake-meat pseudo-philanthropy. Send the checks to Melinda, it'll do more good. Otoh, he still has 80 billion left, so I guess he's not hurting too bad. I wonder what the trigger was. Bill just couldn't sexually satisfy her anymore, probably. His little micro got soft. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 10:20 PM |
| 2 | A nice gluttonous birthday treat.Ooh, that's a big T-bone (or Porterhouse). Must've felt like a nap after that. Looks great. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 10:09 PM |
| 2 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of DivorceHow happy is the average marriage? I say if 50% of marriages end in divorce, 50% of those that remain are miserable. You have a 3 in 4 chance of being divorced or wishing you were. Yes, and actually, I think the numbers are worse than that. I've seen stats* indicating that around 80% of married people -- and these are long-term marrieds, not the ones who divorced -- say they are dissatisfied with their marriages. They might be "somewhat dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied," but whatever level,… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 07:58 PM |
| 1 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of DivorceWell, let's see your junk, then. That didn't come out right. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of DivorceAnd what about the other 30%? Are they happy, or is it a cheaper to keep her situation? Are they staying together because they would be homeless if they split the house? Or they don't want to disturb the kids, or they're afraid of living alone, etc. It's hard to get reliable figures on how many people are really happily married (because it depends on them reporting accurately, openly and honestly), but I've seen figures suggesting that around 80% of long-term married people are dissatisfied with… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 03:39 PM |
| 2 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of DivorceI think the longer you're married, the more likely you are to stay married. But that's mostly supposition. That's true. There are stats to back that up. I don't know the exact numbers, but the risk of divorce is higher for people who've been married, say, less than 10 years, compared to people who've been married for 20 years or longer. I only made it three and a half years myself, heh. Marriage was not for me. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 02:14 PM |
| 2 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of DivorceYeah, we'll have to rebake our pie graphs that were based on 50% divorce rates. I'll bake a quick pie. 30% of (recent) marriages survive. Of people who are long-term married, about 20% of them say they are well-satisfied with their marriage. The other 80% express some level of dissatisfaction (some mild, some severe). Chances of a ending up in a happy, satisfying marriage: 20% of 30% or 6%. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 02:12 PM |
| 6 | What do you guys think?True. There's a lot of financial incentives for keeping these institutions afloat. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 02:05 PM |
| 3 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of DivorceAll the couples that haven't divorced yet probably aren't going to at this point. I don't know, man. I know many people who have gotten divorced in their 50s and 60s, 70s even. "Grey divorce," they call it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 02:02 PM |
| 3 | Divorce Rate vs. Risk of DivorceYour understanding of the stats is definitely wrong.... 50% of all marriages are definitely not ending every year. Well of course not. That would be absurd. It would mean that within 3 or 4 years, nearly everyone would get divorced. I see where the misunderstanding might have come from, though. Pearsall's footnote, where he says divorce rate = "total number of divorces in a year." That's not accurate. I'll add a note to the OP. What maybe is happening is the total risk of divorce for new marri… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 01:04 PM |
| 2 | I don't love myself enough to work on myself. Not begging for help but would appreciate any you're willing to give.For my brain to be able to do something, I have to be absolutely 100% good at it to the point where I don't fail. That's perfectionism. Look the term up, look for resources to help overcome it. It is an extremely common problem, so there is plenty of help out there. I'd start working on the perfectionism first, since you need to get that handled, or else you can't move forward (as you say yourself). The reality is that I don't love myself enough to want something better for me and me alone. Th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 01:12 AM |
| 3 | A women is your friend because she needs your validation and attention, it doesn't mean she wants you. Let's be friends is a trap.It's hard to know what people mean when they say "friends," because people use that word to mean a whole range of different relationships. Some people use the term to just mean deep, close friendship; others use it more loosely. I've got a hundred Facebook "friends" who I couldn't tell you a thing about and whose names I can't even remember. Anyhow, yeah, if we're talking about a deep, close, intimate, and platonic friendship with a woman, that's pretty rare. I've had some of those relationships… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 12:47 AM |
| 2 | A good introduction to stoicismYeah, Seneca is my favorite. His Letters to a Stoic is great. I also think highly of Epictetus and often return to him for reminders of the basics (e.g., don't worry about stuff that is outside of your control). | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 12:27 AM |
| 3 | How can I find purpose and meaning in my life after becoming aware of the rat race and simplifying my life?Yeah, it can be hard for a while, after you've been disillusioned. I've been through that process several times. I've had things I thought were the ultimate value turn out to be shams. I've had worldviews upended. I've had dreams die. For a while afterward, I felt empty and low. But these were always good things, in the end. Because they forced me to look at the question, "What really matters?" What kind of life should I really be living? What should I really be pursuing? How should I really be … | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/05/21 12:21 AM |
| 5 | A women is your friend because she needs your validation and attention, it doesn't mean she wants you. Let's be friends is a trap.Sometimes. It depends on the person and how we fit. And just to clarify, I'm talking about friendly, casual relationships. I'm not talking about deep, close friendships. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 06:07 PM |
| 1 | How Should I Handle This Issue?This letter was sent to me a year ago when I honestly did not care about my life and I was letting my parents do my "adult things" like knowing my finance, cooking food, etc. Ok, well his concern is (was) understandable, then. Do you happen to know any websites or apps that can give easy-to-follow meal plan prepping? Not really. I eat a paleo or real food type diet, so it doesn't require a lot of meal prep -- just knowing how to cook steak, fish, bacon, etc., and throw together a simple salad.… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 06:02 PM |
| 1 | How Should I Handle This Issue?Yeah, cooking, cleaning, and laundry take about 10 hours a week. You don't need another person to handle it. Most of the time is spent cooking, but that can be a pleasure, not a chore. The actual chores only take a couple hours a week, max. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Are people aware of the coming death of everything or are they just that fucking naive?Yeah, things are looking grim. I do think we're in decline. It's been going on for several decades, and it really seems to have been ramping up (or down) lately. I'm 59, and part of me is glad I'll be dead soon, lol. I am not quite as pessimistic as you about it, though. I don't think all hope is lost. I think there is a lot of good in the world, a lot of strong and smart people. I think there are positive signs amidst the gloom. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 02:16 PM |
| 4 | What is the new back-page?Our Time. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 02:09 PM |
| 58 | A women is your friend because she needs your validation and attention, it doesn't mean she wants you. Let's be friends is a trap.I have some friendly relationships with women, but I never get into these "let's just be friends" relationships. I never give them any signals that I'm interested in them sexually, so they just never get that vibe from me. And it's genuine -- I really have no desire to be sexually involved with them. I just enjoy the occasional friendly chats. If they drift off, no big deal. I'm not invested in the relationship. I think these types of friendly relationships with women are quite easy and possible… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 02:06 PM |
| 2 | How Should I Handle This Issue?Your dad sounds like a nice fellow. A lot of guys don't have dads, so that's the first thing I'd say -- be grateful for a dad that cares and expresses love for you. That's pretty cool. Having said, that, though, I don't like that paragraph. He is pressuring you to live your life based on what will make them happy. That's not love. It's pressuring or guilting you into doing something that you would rather not do. "Manipulation" is kind of a harsh sounding word, but that's what this is. He's not r… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 02:01 PM |
| 2 | I absolutely love hearing about how Robert Deniro's Ex-wife is dragging him into financial ruin and all the hardache she is causing him. He was the biggest blue pill mangina and he is reaping what he sowed.I think it's a number of factors. Here are two off the top of my head: The "in love" state can make you delusional. It can really distort your thinking. Jonathan Haidt talks about how reason often follows emotion. That is, your reasoning builds a case for whatever feels good. If the relationship feels good, your mind is very talented at emphasizing all the positives and ignoring the negatives. If you hang around the manosphere everyday, it's easy to forget that the majority of men are very blue … | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 11:16 AM |
| 2 | Broken.Good doggie. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 11:01 AM |
| 2 | If you had to chooseWell, how about getting married, and then quickly getting a divorce, before she can claim 50% of your assets? Is that possible? If so, I choose that option. Otherwise, I guess I'll have to pick virginity. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 10:57 AM |
| 3 | I absolutely love hearing about how Robert Deniro's Ex-wife is dragging him into financial ruin and all the hardache she is causing him. He was the biggest blue pill mangina and he is reaping what he sowed.Phil Collins did pretty much the same thing, then got screwed over as well. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 12:15 AM |
| 6 | Broken.Sorry you're going through this. Sounds like you're in a lot of pain. You want my advice? Probably not. But what the hell, here it is anyhow. Priority 1 is to stay the hell out of relationships, and just focus on taking care of yourself. Build a good relationship with yourself, so that you're not drowning in feelings of worthlessness and unlovability. Priority 2 is to understand that your brain is looking for an external solution to an internal problem. You think getting back together with her w… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/05/21 12:12 AM |
| 4 | Any former MGTOW here that changed their mind and got married? What's your story?Nope. You are confused about MGTOW. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/05/21 02:33 PM |
| 2 | do you have moments when you feel alone? ... the feeling of someone caring and being there for you to support and advise you when things go south. It's a nice feeling; I know what you're talking about, and I get that wish sometimes, too. But one of the hard lessons I've had to learn is that seeking someone to "care and be there for you to support you" when you're down or having trouble turns a lot of women's romantic-sexual desire off like a switch. They can be nice and sweet on the outside, but on the inside, they are drying up an… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/05/21 01:31 PM |
| 11 | Any former MGTOW here that changed their mind and got married? What's your story?Right. You can be red pilled and married. You can't be MGTOW and married. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/05/21 01:11 PM |
| 9 | Any former MGTOW here that changed their mind and got married? What's your story?MGTOW does mean you don't get married. That's one of the few basic, widely agreed upon principles of MGTOW: no marriage. If you are MGTOW and you get married, you have to turn in your MGTOW card. You can't be married and "go your own way." Contradiction in terms. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/05/21 01:11 PM |
| 10 | Is it wrong to have hope? I'm giving up...Everyone follows his own path, so I'm not sure if "giving up hope" is the right direction for you. I don't think my advice on the matter would mean diddly squat anyway. I haven't been through what you have, and I'm not 28; I'm 59. And bottom line, I'm not you, and it's your decision. I will suggest checking into Rollo Tomassi's work on the nature of female love. He writes about it in The Rational Male. The bottom line is that women's love is opportunistic, whereas man's love tends to be idealist… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/05/21 01:06 PM |
| 1 | Gonna get set to the gulags for wrongthinkI didn't realize you could get your hand slapped for upvoting content they deem unacceptable. That's pretty dictatorial. Not good. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/04/21 11:45 AM |
| 2 | Women are responsible for the high divorce rate, not menThanks for the stats and links. I've been looking for those. I agree with your analysis. The usual spin (by women) when they hear the 80% stat is that men are lousy husbands, but the gay male vs. female stats refute that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/04/21 11:41 AM |
| 2 | Sex contractYeah, you'd have to get the signature notarized. "Come on, honey, let's go down to the notary public, and after that, we can have fun." Kind of spoils the mood. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/04/21 10:38 AM |
| 1 | An idea to prevent this sub from turning into another incel sub: Ban all discussion about women.You can't outlaw discussion of women in a MGTOW sub. It doesn't work. There is a simple reason. MGTOW is fundamentally about things such as: liberation from the need for female validation, understanding female nature, escaping from gynocracy, negotiating or avoiding relationships with women, getting out of self-defeating male roles, recovering from damaging relationships with women, and how to live happily without women. Notice the theme? "Women" are a part of nearly every topic that brings MGTO… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 10:27 PM |
| 1 | Richard Sennett, The Craftsman - how we can evolve this spaceI like the idea, but I am just pessimistic about it working. Trying to change the direction of the subreddit is sort of like standing in the middle of a deep, fast-moving river and trying to redirect the flow with a spoon. The subreddit is composed of 38,000 members. Not all are active, to be sure, but many are. They will take it in whatever direction they choose. A few people will read your post, and they will nod their heads, and nothing will change. This is one of those stoic lessons. People … | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Would you rather be neet?Sometimes I would rather be unemployed and mooch off the system like they do knowing that its one less dollar going to single moms and their kids. Nah, living off the system is a shitty way of life. You are trapped, because if you try to make progress, the government penalizes you by taking away benefits. So you're incentivized to stay at a low level and trapped in a dependency relationship. You also have the knowledge, somewhere in the back of your mind, that you aren't carrying your fair share… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 10:07 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of this theory? "Why YOU Should NEVER BE YOURSELF"Why YOU Should NEVER BE YOURSELF" This video has an explanation of the theory which is essentially that being who you are leads to stagnation [And from the video description:] We need to ... strive to express and actualize our true selves. Let's discover how to be genuine. Those are contradictory statements. The first two say don't be yourself; the third says be yourself. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Story: Census: US population growth 2nd lowest in historyI'm not so concerned about birth rates as who's giving birth. The people popping out the babies are not exactly the best and the brightest. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 12:11 PM |
| 1 | As a man it's hard for us to open up our heart and share with others.Yeah, it's true. As a man, you are punished, by both men and women, for opening up about a lot of things, and so you learn to stay guarded and keep things personal. To some degree, I suppose that's adaptive in this society. I'll tell you one thing, though. Since going MGTOW and monk, I find that I'm more able to be open with women, simply because I'm not trying to "game" them for sexual interest. I don't care if they like me "that way" or not. I feel free to share my foibles, frustrations, and i… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 12:07 PM |
| 1 | Extreme social exhaustionI think it's a matter of finding the level of socialization that is right for you, individually. Many people -- myself included -- are very introverted, and they are drained by a lot of socializing, even when it is pleasant. We introverts just need a lot of quiet alone time to thrive. We can still benefit from socializing, but it has to be one-on-one and meaningful, not a bunch of noise and chit-chat. But everyone has to find the level that works for them. Personally, if I can get a couple of de… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 12:01 PM |
| 1 | I feel so empty, how do you guys do it?I have friends that I have fun with, but no meaningful relationships. I have disposable income but materials dont fill the void in my head. It feels like everything is pointless. Like my own existence is too insignificant and like I live for nothing/no-one and nobody lives for my sake either. I'm sorry you're feeling that way about your life. I've felt that way at times, too. I do think that feeling connected (meaningful relationships) is part of a good life. Money and things won't ever satisfy … | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 11:53 AM |
| 1 | A thoughtful quote to help us all think about why we are hereThe only thing worse than not existing or existing and not knowing why is existing and having no one to share it with. I don't think that's true of everyone. It's true for very social people, but for big introverts like me, many of the best experiences of my life have been alone. I don't need someone to be there with me, to make an experience enjoyable, worthwhile, or meaningful. In fact, having someone else along often dampens it or makes it more superficial (not always). I'm also a little leer… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/04/21 10:37 PM |
| 1 | Even if somehow laws changed, love lives improved, girls started talking to you, would you still remain a MGTOW?Yeah, because my reasons for being single have very little to do with those factors. It's more a simple cost/benefit analysis. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/04/21 10:30 PM |
| 1 | For the guys who had a shitty MondayYup. Check out minimalism or simplicity literature for philosophical or practical suggestions for keeping expenses low, which enables both a lower target and savings towards that target. Mr. Money Moustache has a forum where a lot of people with the 500K goal swap stories and strategies. There is another forum where people with lower financial retirement targets (e.g., 300K) talk. I think it's called Early Retirement Extreme. When I was young, I read Your Money or Your Life, which talked about h… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/04/21 12:24 PM |
| 1 | society conditions us to be counter dependentIn the literature I'm familiar with, "counter-dependent" means that a denial of the need for other people. It's a pseudo-independence. The person is afraid of their need for other people. Maybe they feel like the need is a weakness, or maybe they fear being hurt or losing their identity if they get close to others. Whatever the reason, they deny the need or desire to be close. They keep distance from other people. They tell themselves they don't them. It's all a defense. It's not healthy or genu… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/04/21 12:09 PM |
| 3 | Money, women, and anti-fragilityMore generally, this concept is called anti-fragility: how well can something handle stress without breaking? No no, "anti-fragility" refers to something that gets stronger when it is broken down. Like the immune system when it's exposed to viruses. Like muscles when you lift weights. That's anti-fragile. What you are talking about is resilience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egUL0R7r5LY https://smile.amazon.com/Antifragile-Things-That-Disorder-Incerto/dp/0812979680/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keyword… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/04/21 01:35 AM |
| 2 | society conditions us to be counter dependentJust posting a single sentence isn't going to elicit much. If you want discussion around a topic, you have to put a little effort in. What do you mean by counter-dependent (I know what the term means, but many people don't)? How does society condition us to be counter-dependent. Why do you think feminism and MGTOW are counter-dependent? | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/04/21 01:30 AM |
| 1 | Are You Really The Prize?You are right that a man can't just become "the prize" by telling himself that. He has to earn it. However, there is a problem with the whole concept of "I am the prize." The prize to who? Well, to women, of course. It's a reversal of the idea that women are the prize to be won by men. When we flip it, men are the prize to be won by women -- assuming men make themselves worthy of being prized. But think about the reference point. It's a woman. The woman is doing the evaluation. It is to the woma… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 10:47 PM |
| 1 | WGTOW...That's cool, glad to hear there are some reasonable women over there. My only experience with a similar forum has not been good. I'm referring to a Facebook group dedicated to people who are happy in their singlehood and have no interest in dating. It's founded by Bella DePaulo, whose research you'll see cited around here sometimes, because she publishes a lot of good stuff overturning myths about marriage. Unfortunately, that forum is 90% women, and 50% of them are feminists who constantly fram… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 01:49 PM |
| 1 | Sex is not enough anymoreYeah, I don't enjoy sex with condoms, either. Sometimes I go without, but then I always regret it afterwards, because I've opened myself up for STDs or, worse, pregnancy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 01:40 PM |
| 3 | Game Plan HelpAw, I'm sorry you're going through this. I feel for you and your daughter. I've never have a kid, but I can imagine the love you feel for her. I don't have any brilliant advice, but I wish you well. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 01:07 AM |
| 1 | How to find purpose - The hard way.close this page, in fact close the internet. Ok, bye. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 01:06 AM |
| 2 | "TOXIC MASCULINITY" IS A FEMINIST SHAMING TACTIC.Yeah, it would be nice if we could talk about aspects of the male role that are truly toxic -- to men. There are many. You mentioned the responsibility men feel to put their lives at risk to protect others. That's right. That's a big one. Or the competitive drive men feel to argue and joust with each other, always try to one-up each other -- this has upsides but plenty of downsides, too (e.g., stress, isolation, dependence on women for warmth). Not being allowed to have a whole range of feelings… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Sex is not enough anymoreLosing my virginity was the nail in the coffin for me to go full MGTOW. How's that? You mean the experience was so underwhelming, you thought, "Is this what all the fuss was over? Big deal, I can do without this"? | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 12:56 AM |
| 2 | Sex is not enough anymoreIt's funny how easy we slip into those simping patterns, isn't it? I have swallowed barrels of red pills and still find myself doing it occasionally. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/04/21 12:54 AM |
| 2 | Diana DavisonYeah, I like Diana Davison. Used to watch her, a couple years ago. She had this one video I remember, in which she described how women manipulate men. It was really interesting for me to listen to her describe how simply getting physically close to men can be a very powerful way to manipulate them. She's pretty funny at times, in a dark, sardonic sort of way. I appreciate her anti-feminist position. However, a couple years ago, I got tired of the anti-feminist videos -- there are so many out the… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/04/21 01:12 PM |
| 3 | Sex is not enough anymoreAgree. It's also because men don't get educated on common manipulative tactics. Once you get a little education, most of the manipulation isn't that hard to spot. It's pretty basic stuff. A lot of it is childish, really. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/04/21 12:33 PM |
| 2 | Sex is not enough anymoreHm, that's interesting. I still find myself sexually attracted to some women. I just don't feel enough motivation to pursue a relationship. "Juice isn't worth the squeeze," as they say. It's too much trouble and sacrifice. I might have a lower sex drive than other men, I'm not sure. I like sex, but I've never found it to be all that powerful a motivator. It was certainly more powerful in my 20's, but I'm in my 50's now. If you had me rank my Top 20 priorities, sex wouldn't even make the list. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/04/21 12:31 PM |
| 1 | A relationship with a woman is the optimal solution to... nothing. There's always a better alternative.Well, TFM fell in love with his sex doll. So there's that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/04/21 01:19 AM |
| 1 | A relationship with a woman is the optimal solution to... nothing. There's always a better alternative.See any mistakes? Let me know. Not a mistake, really, just another angle. In my opinion, one of the main things men seek from women is attachment -- that is, a significant emotional bond. There is literature establishing that this is an important human need. Without it as children, we will die. Without it as adults, we won't be as satisfied or fulfilled as we might be. You can get attachment needs met in many ways, not just through women, although men have traditionally sought to fill that nee… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/04/21 01:18 AM |
| 4 | Why are women allowed to post here exactly?I don't see much of what you're describing -- women posting from fds or mgtowban, or even women posting much in general. Maybe I'm missing it, but I just don't see them. If we were being over-run, that would be one thing, but I can't remember more than a handful of posts by women in the past few months. I actually like it when women come into the sub and ask questions, at least if they do it in a respectful way. They usually get roasted, but I generally try to answer their questions in a reasona… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/04/21 05:03 PM |
| 3 | Any of you guys ever used to think having a family was a necessary part of growing up before?Well, that's the programming, isn't it? "In order to grow up and be a man, you should get a good job, find a nice girl and get married, and have children. Then support your family, be a good provider and protector." That was the script that was laid out for all of us. But if you look at it objectively, no, of course that isn't a necessary part of growing up or becoming a mature adult. In fact, it can be the opposite -- an escape from thinking things through for yourself, by just conforming and g… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/04/21 04:53 PM |
| 8 | Does anyone else have zero interest in going on dates anymore?Yeah, I've lost interest in dating. After my divorce 15 years ago, I dated furiously. I went on dates every week. Went through probably a dozen women, many one-date wonders, some one-night stands, and a few short-term relationships. After about 18 months of that, in the middle of a relationship that was sexually satisfying, I called it quits. I wanted my time back. I was tired of spending my Fridays and Saturdays doing this. I wanted to spend more time on my own. I wanted my leisure time back. I… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/04/21 04:36 PM |
| 3 | Okay some guys here f*cking need to be reminded of something importantI haven't really thought it through. If I were to come up with a model (and thanks for the encouragement, I may try to do that sometime), I think it would be more like "stages of enlightenment" or "stages of awakening," rather than modeled on a "stages of grief" model. That's because, to me, learning about red pill ideas has primarily been a good thing, a positive thing. To compare it to a grief process, with all the loss and sadness that entails, just seems to miss the mark, to me. I know there… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/04/21 01:40 PM |
| 1 | For the first time in my life, I have a credit score.That's great. You may know already, but it's important to pay your balance off in full every month. Otherwise, credit cards charge ridiculous interest rates. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/04/21 12:29 PM |
| 3 | Okay some guys here f*cking need to be reminded of something importantWhile I think some anger is understandable after you discover that you've been screwed over by a woman, chronic anger/resentment is not healthy, nor is anger that is generalized to all women. I see this "red pill rage phase" idea being applied a lot, and I don't think it's always legitimate. Yes, some guys will go through a period when they're angry at a particular woman. Then, they'll work on the issue, and they'll get past it. That's great. But often, I don't think that's what is going on. I t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/04/21 12:27 PM |
| 1 | Brother asked when I’m getting a girlfriendYeah, he didn't sound too convinced. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/04/21 11:49 AM |
| 7 | Brother asked when I’m getting a girlfriendHe'll probably go a different direction than you. It seems to be built into brothers to do that. I have two brothers, and we all have radically different lives. One is an alcoholic. The second is a traditional Christian who married a Christian woman with multiple kids (adopted, though). And then there's me, MGTOWing it up. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 05:43 PM |
| 10 | Brother asked when I’m getting a girlfriendThe closest I've ever heard was when a married guy was asked if he was happy. His reply: "I guess." | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 05:40 PM |
| 1 | Is it a good ide to date 20 year old woman as a 40 year old man?If you want to find a woman who wants to have kids and settle down, looking for someone in her 20's sounds reasonable to me. Maybe not 20, that's pretty young, but maybe mid-20s. Of course, you're looking at some problems/challenges: Likely she will be attracted by your success, wealth, and status, as well as your looks. Just know that is the bargain you're setting up: sexual-romantic access to her, in exchange for your money and status or social position. It is a transaction. The transactional … | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 12:54 PM |
| 1 | Advice neededYou can shut down your emotions in various ways -- intense distraction, alcohol or drugs, some antidepressant medication, suppression, intellectualization, etc. However, you'll run into problems: - None of these strategies work long-term. They all backfire in one way or another - You can't shut down feelings selectively. You can only do it globally. That means that when you shut down your ability to feel negative feelings, you shut down your ability to feel positive ones as well. So, you're less… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 12:44 PM |
| 2 | Need some Advice.I made a long list of pros and cons of getting sexually-romantically involved. I'm an analytical guy, so that approach helps me. It doesn't work for a lot of people, but it does for me. It took me a long time to create the list. I really thought about it. I revised it many times, adding things, subtracting, rewriting, organizing. I didn't just look at the cons; I looked at the pros, too (the reasons to get involved, that is). I tried to be fair and objective, because I know that if I try to make… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 12:34 PM |
| 2 | Has any of you read Tim Patten's books?Yeah, I've read one of his books. It was called MGTOW is Forever: Being Your Best Possible Self. I would say it's "okay." It covered some of the essentials of MGTOW, but it didn't tell me anything I didn't know already. I'd say it was pretty basic, sticking mostly to the obvious points (e.g., marriage is a bad deal). He also included some general life advice (about finances or physical health), which I thought was sort of pointless, but I guess it might be helpful for a teenager who's just start… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 12:20 PM |
| 5 | Society Has Programmed You To Be A Beta Buxx From A Young Age.That's good. I agree with what you're saying. You don't need to kill yourself working 60-80 hours a week to build massive wealth, in order to attract external validation from society and women. Throw away these boring, banal scripts for life. Figure out what YOU value, what makes YOU satisfied with your life. Pursue that. Don't let other people throw doubt in. When you aren't channeling your life energy into "success" designed to attract hypergamous women, then you have all that energy freed up … | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 12:13 PM |
| 2 | My Understandings After 2 Years of Being Red PillSounds good. You've absorbed a lot. I'll quibble with some of it. We're all bound to be alone, and die alone. That's a little grim. Just because you're MGTOW doesn't mean you're destined to be alone and die alone. You can have friends. You can have loving relationships, even deeper and more profound than ones you find in an average marriage. You can have friendly connections with a lot of people and animals. Humans are selfish by nature. True, but one-sided. Yes, humans tend to be selfish. But t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/03/21 12:21 AM |
| 4 | What should us young guys do right now?It's more important what you DON'T do. MGTOW is more about what NOT to do. Don't get married. Don't cohabitate. Don't get a woman pregnant, and don't allow her to fool you into an "accidental" pregnancy. Don't put yourself in a situation where a woman can make a false accusation. Beyond that, it's just about getting your life together in all the usual ways -- a purpose, a clear sense of values, physical health, mental health, social support, etc. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 06:11 PM |
| 1 | Aside from giving up on relationships with women, what else is the average MGTOW-er willing to give up or feels that he may have to?Thank you, that was very illuminating. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 02:58 PM |
| 1 | A question for the guys hereOr maybe people didn't know what you meant by descriptive vs. prescriptive. I wasn't clear myself. Based on what you're saying here, none of the content creators I watch would qualify as descriptive, since they do say things like "society is going down the drain" and discuss how to navigate that, although they also spend the majority of their time describing things rather than prescribing courses of action. I think the terms are a bit vague. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 02:57 PM |
| 2 | A question for the guys hereI voted "both," since the channels I watch (BB, CGA, Replicant Phish) are both descriptive and prescriptive. The word "activism" in your description turns me off. I think of the channels that get into politics, spend a lot of time bashing feminism, or stray into MRA territory. I'm not interested in that. I appreciate content creators who do not approach the subject dourly or with a lot of aggression. I like the laid-back, cordial, humorous style. I am looking for support in living a happily cont… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 11:22 AM |
| 1 | I'm about to do the hardest thing that I've ever done in my whole life over the next 2 months.Good luck, man. Med school is rough, and I can't imagine trying to do the work while suffering from depression. Depression makes everything so much harder. One piece of advice, if you don't mind. Don't be too hard on yourself if you "fail" and things don't work out. It may be a blessing in disguise. After all, med school doesn't get easier, and it's a long road ahead, then a long grueling residency training. Maybe it's not a good fit for you. Not saying it isn't. I don't know you. But I've known… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 11:14 AM |
| 1 | How many of you guys find purpose in your work?I'm retired now, but when I was working, yes, I found purpose in my work. I felt that I was improving myself psychologically/interpersonally and also making the world a little better. I was doing good work -- nothing earth-shattering, but worthwhile. I grew up in an upper middle class home, which was quite dysfunctional. I learned early on that money and career success weren't the route to happiness. I remember lying on my back one day, wrestling with two different life options, both of which in… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 11:03 AM |
| 1 | What can you do on a public meadow in the summer?When I'm in a park or a natural place, what I like to do is just enjoy the nature. You know -- look at the trees, say hi to the birds and squirrels, toss them some peanuts, enjoy the sun and the movement, my dog's company. However, the parks around here are relatively empty, when I walk. It sounds like you may be in a large metro area, and the parks are pretty crowded. I'm an introvert, so I can understand how that would be more off-putting than enjoyable. I would look for a place that has natur… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 10:53 AM |
| 3 | Yearnings needs and red pill?Is it sex or love/validation that you're craving? A lot of men get them confused. You say you're dying for sexual fulfillment, but you also ask how can you deal with the realization that your wife doesn't really love you. It's important to figure out what you really feel like you're missing, so you can use that to motivate your action, rather than going in two different directions. I'm guessing (just guessing) that lack of love/connection is more the issue than sex per se. If that's the case, yo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 10:35 AM |
| 1 | Aside from giving up on relationships with women, what else is the average MGTOW-er willing to give up or feels that he may have to?You have to give up "blue pill" thinking and scripting for your life. That's the main thing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/03/21 10:27 AM |
| 4 | Do married men live longer then single men? Is this real or a myth?Yes, but with two huge caveats: 1) it's based on classifying all divorced people (who obviously were married) as single, and only considering the 50% of people who remain married as "married", and 2) it's correlation, not causation. I'll explain those quickly. The first one Bella DePaulo calls "the cheater technique." It exists in all the research on the subject. It classifies people who got married but then divorced as "single people." This means that all the men who got divorce raped and desce… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/03/21 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Eventually, Every Red Pilled Man Will Go MGTOW.My understandig of MGTOW is that there is are no future relationships with women. Its escorts or blow up dolls No, that's a subset of MGTOW, called Monk. In general, MGTOW is just defined by two things: Red pill awareness concerning women, relationships, etc. Avoidance of marriage, cohabitation, getting a woman pregnant, and other forms of serious, committed romantic-sexual relationships with women. That's all. There are plenty of options outside that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/03/21 08:32 PM |
| 0 | Eventually, Every Red Pilled Man Will Go MGTOW.I disagree. I think the majority of men, even red pilled men, will continue to pursue women. Because it's so hard-wired, so culturally reinforced, and because the desire to pair-bond is so common. I think MGTOW men, especially the monk variety, will always be a small minority. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/03/21 08:29 PM |
| 1 | 🤡🤡🌎🤡🤡I'd pay $80/hr. for some good, professional cuddling. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/03/21 08:26 PM |
| 6 | Why Nikola Tesla Never MarriedWow, I'm surprised that was written in 1924. It could've been written in 1970 or 1980. It's certainly applicable today. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/03/21 12:50 PM |
| 5 | I find it kind of ironic that some people try to ban MGTOW from RedditThanks for passing on the link. Wasn't aware of that forum. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/03/21 12:47 PM |
| 6 | Do you regret not living the life script?A few thoughts... "...a blank spot in my memory where everyone has the greatest times of their lives." College, for me anyway, was a time of confusion and struggle. Yeah, I had a lot of good times, but I also spent a lot of time feeling very lost, worried, and low. People have a tendency (especially when talking to others) to share the funny, crazy, "wild" moments of college, because those are the stories that engage. No one shares the hard parts. My point is that if you listen to the stories, a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/03/21 12:09 PM |
| 3 | Women Simply Have Too Many Options These Days and The Bar For Men Will Only Be Raised Higher.Yes, this is true, although the constant flood of attention/validation slows down as she gets older. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/03/21 11:55 AM |
| 2 | I retired early thanks to this communityGood for you, man. Congratulations. That takes a lot of discipline and focus, over a long period of time. It is certainly true that one of the best financial investments you can make is avoiding relationships with women. I heard something the other day -- that we often measure wealth by what we see on the outside: nice houses, watches, clothes. But wealth is more often what we don't see -- the cars we don't buy, the big fancy houses we don't purchase. Because all of that means wealth stays in ou… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/03/21 11:44 PM |
| 2 | 19M, needing advice on what to doYour ex-girlfriend sounds like a real piece of work. Made you fly to another country, just to tell you she wasn't attracted to you and had met someone else? Nice. Real classy. Ever consider that the problem here is her, not you? You're feeling like shit because you keep thinking of yourself as "a kissless virgin." And in your mind (I'm guessing), "guys who don't get sex" = "losers," and that means "I'll be alone and unhappy forever and a failure in life." That's a lot of weight to put on one stu… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/03/21 11:37 PM |
| 1 | Primal Rage To Destroy Pussy declining at 35.Oh cool, okay, I misunderstood. It sounded to me like you thought something was wrong. Enjoy the cool big head and the cooled-off little head. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/03/21 10:06 PM |
| 5 | Agree or Disagree? Do you think MGTOW philosophy contains a false consciousness narrative?Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. I notice a tendency to speak only from a "red pill" perspective and not consider others. It almost seems like certain things are dogma sometimes, not to be questioned. For instance, I was in a thread a while back where a guy asked why a woman asked him what was troubling him. Everyone said the woman had an evil motive -- she wanted to get personal information, so she could use it to punish or manipulate him later. Everyone agreed about this, and everyone… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/03/21 09:14 PM |
| 2 | How to cope with being ugly?I am ugly, short and I have psychological problems. Cool, me too. Well, I don't know about the "ugly" part. I'm more just plain, rather than ugly. I'd probably give myself a 4 on the 10-scale. But I'm short and have psychological problems. Two out of three. I decided that I'm destined to be alone I know that feeling. It sucks, to say the least. I battled with that feeling a lot, earlier in my life. I'll tell you what helped me. Working on internalized shame. Learning about how to connect w… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/03/21 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Primal Rage To Destroy Pussy declining at 35.I am not as horny or crazy in rage needing some P sleeve. I feel alot more calm and think clearly. Isn't that a good thing? You seem to be framing it as a cause for concern. Do you really want to be "horny and crazy in rage needing some p-sleeve"? That sounds out of control. It's like you're driven rather than in charge. I think this is one of the best things about getting older. You stop being a puppet of your genes. I'm 59 now. I barely care about having sex at all. Most of the time, it does… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/03/21 08:57 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about religion?Are you religious? No, but I'm not an atheist/agnostic either (although I was for several decades). I don't like labels. If you back me in a corner, I'll resort to "spiritual but not religious." Can it help to build up a satisfying life? Sure. For some people, religion adds a lot to their lives -- a community they belong to and fit in with, a ready-made support system, a belief system, a sense of meaning and purpose, clear definitions of right and wrong, and structured roles to play in society… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/03/21 08:45 PM |
| 5 | At a ripe old ageThanks for sharing your story, man. I'm approaching 60 myself, and I've been happily single for about 13 years now. Glad to hear you're enjoying the ride. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/03/21 10:59 PM |
| 2 | Off My Chest....As if this was just to see if she still had access to me in lieu of checking on me as stated. Am I right to assume this? That's too hard to tell, without the full text and context of the relationship. You say you've been trying to "tolerate" her for a year. Not sure what's going on there or what the backstory is. You seem to be saying she was chasing you, and you pulled away. Just know that someone is thinking of you." with a heart emoji I don't see anything wrong with that on the face of it. … | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/03/21 11:42 AM |
| 2 | I crave the Gym now not women. Keep chasing excellence brothers.Good job getting through the anger phase. Enjoy your life. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/03/21 11:37 AM |
| 6 | Jordan Peterson And His Blue Pill Bulls***The only thing that struck me as blue pill was his use of the word "intimidated" to describe men's reaction to a smart, attractive woman. You'll hear smart, successful single women say that all the time: "Men don't approach us, because they are intimidated by our intelligence and success." Well, no. Men just aren't sexually-romantically attracted to intelligence per se, or more especially to the traits that usually accompany it -- strong dedication to a career, competitive drive, a bit of aggres… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/03/21 11:32 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: That problem's on me, it's not on her You've made me rethink my attitude towards "red-pill knowledge". I used to think of it as covering all aspects of life, but I've seen it used with respect to economics and politics, where it only covers economics and politics respectively. So it is reasonable to see it in terms of MGTOW only. Thus I'm thinking through the ramifications of your earlier comment, which I think I now agree with: Yeah. An easy way to understand the distinction is this: try to imagine a MGTOW man who is also "blue p… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/03/21 10:44 AM |
| 2 | Relaxing mgtow playlist?Relaxing? I listen to ambient and space music. Sometimes, nature sounds, like rain for instance. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/03/21 05:36 PM |
| 3 | The children questionwhy is MGTOW so neutral about children, especially when the reason for suicide after relationships / marriages is as far as I can tell mostly the lack of access to the children, so if MGTOW tries to save lives by warning man for partnerships but the existence of children is in reality what kills them not the alimony to the women, why is there no warning to not get the women pregnent? When I define MGTOW or lay out the basics, I will always include "don't get a woman pregnant." That's more import… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/03/21 05:33 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: That problem's on me, it's not on herThanks. I think you're on to something with the "foundational principles" idea. I was just critiquing that one formulation, not the whole idea. I think the general idea is a good one. We can surely identify some basic principles of MGTOW. Some principles would be related to the red pill knowledge of women, marriage, etc. For example: - MGTOW avoid relationships with women that might get them entangled with the court system (so, marriage, cohabitation, pregnancy, for starters). - MGTOW step out o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/03/21 12:27 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: That problem's on me, it's not on herBut is "red-pill knowledge" clearly defined? I'd define it as "seeing the world as it is rather than as we're told it is", but then that leads to 'what does it mean to "see the world as it is"? I didn't mean "red pill" in a broad, global sense ("seeing the world as it is"). I mean it specifically as it relates to topics such as "female nature," gynocentrism, intergender dynamics, men's role as utilities, marriage contracts, etc. Red pill as in Rollo Tomassi et al. I think I'm confusing things … | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/03/21 12:29 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: That problem's on me, it's not on herTo go back to our old disagreement on the scope of MGTOW: should that pdf, or something like it, be an actual part of MGTOW? That is, "a 'man going his own way' tries to remove cognitive dissonance such as these". The idea is that to get to the decision of "no marriage/no cohabitation" as a cost/benefit analysis, we need to be able to make effective cost/benefit analyses in the first place. And that requires introspection and education. [....] Introspection is difficult, but a man without intros… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/03/21 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Back to the roots of MGTOWNot to mention, MGTOW is formed specifically around a thought about women. How can you not think about something as a MGTOW, if you wouldn't be MGTOW without thinking about it? | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/03/21 10:02 PM |
| 15 | Sexual exploitsUh, I think they're pathetic little boys who lack self-esteem. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/03/21 04:06 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: That problem's on me, it's not on herYour posts are always thoughtful and thought-provoking. I was thinking along the same lines recently. It can be interesting to go down the list of cognitive distortions and see how many we fall into. Here is a list of the top 10 cognitive distortions, first developed by David Burns back in the 70s and since reprinted probably a million times. These are distortions that cognitive therapists have found to be associated with depression, anxiety, anger, and interpersonal problems: https://arfamilies… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/03/21 03:59 PM |
| 2 | Why Every Man Must Read "The Richest Man of Babylon" by George S Clason?Lots of solid advice there. I would dispute a couple points. I don't mean to just single out the stuff I disagree on, but my post would be tedious if all I did was quote stuff I agree with. So here's the parts where I differ: ... and then, when you are making more from you're investments than you're wage job, quit that job. The value of your portfolio will fluctuate a lot. If you use that criterion (making more from investments than your salary) to figure out when to quit your job, you'll put … | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/03/21 03:47 PM |
| 1 | Back to the roots of MGTOWDepends how far you go with it. I've seen two MGTOW reddits set up that put something in their charters to the effect of "no talk about women here, we only focus on the positive." Both of them stalled, with very little participation. They both made the mistake taking a diametrically opposed position to the "women bad" stuff that overruns a lot of MGTOW discussions -- minimizing or outlawing talk of women, focusing only on what comes after a decision to walk away (stories of progress, etc.). Ther… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 12:48 PM |
| 6 | Can a really unattractive man really be part of MGTOW?if MGTOW means a choice to go your own way and not focus on chasing women, can a person who never actually had a chance to get women even be part of that? Imo, MGTOW is a free choice, and if the choice isn't being made freely -- if it is forced upon you, because it's the only option -- then it's not really MGTOW. It's not really going your own way; it's being sent your own way. I don't necessarily think that is the case for you (that you are being "sent your own way"). I'll say more about that i… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 12:33 PM |
| 2 | How do you stop caring about women? (Serious advice only)When did your "addiction" dwindle? It started to get more manageable around age 28 to 30. Part of that was biology, my hormones calming down a little. The other part was that I started learning about addiction, codependency, love addiction, and relationship addiction -- all of which I suffered from. I started to hone in on the underlying problems that were driving all of that. It took a while beyond that, because those are thorny issues, but that was the start. You're at an advantage, because yo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 11:02 PM |
| 2 | Women are overratedMakes sense. Also, antagonizing them just feeds into their oppression complex. In their minds, you're proving them right (about how they're always treated unfairly, men are pigs, etc.). | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 08:12 PM |
| 6 | Back to the roots of MGTOWI agree with most of what you're saying, and the spirit you're saying it in. I get tired of hearing the same complaints about women and feminism, over and over. It gets tedious. I wouldn't go this far, though: Women are not supposed to be a subject to even think about as a MGTOW. Do not give them power over your inner self. It's natural and fine to think and talk about women as MGTOW. The problem is when your thinking turns dark, sour, and distorted. Or when you focus excessively on the subject … | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 08:09 PM |
| 2 | Sometimes, I just can't take it.Yeah, there's a lot of negativity everywhere, especially on social media. Hard to get away from it, unless you unplug. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 01:07 PM |
| 4 | What are you doing when you retire?For now i can only conclude that my purpose and journey in life is to find the real purpose of life, not just material things but to find the bigger picture That's a great purpose. I hope you find answers that work for you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 01:03 PM |
| 7 | What are you doing when you retire?I retired a couple years ago, at 57. Like you, I'm not someone who can just sit around, relax, play golf, and feel fulfilled. I need what I call "meaningful work." For me, that takes several forms: writing a blog, working on writing a book, reading various books that help me improve various aspects of my life, self-care, and taking care of animals. None of that is paid work. I still consider it "work," though, because it requires sustained attention, discipline, thought, and effort. I don't need… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 01:01 PM |
| 5 | I'm finally making progressNice to hear some positive stories about making progress on here. Thanks for sharing. I'm glad things are going well for you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 12:53 PM |
| 2 | What's everybody eating tonight? I had meat and potatoesLooks good. Steak, fish, avocado and cucumber for me. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 12:52 PM |
| 3 | I just deleted TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. No more toxic girls for me.Anyone here that deleted social media apps because of toxic women or toxic people in general? I haven't ever quit a social media app because of women, but then, I have never joined sites like TikTok or Instagram. Just too much noise/junk for me. I'm more a reading/writing guy anyhow. I prefer text discussion to looking at photos. So my exposure to the female-dominated sites is minimal. I cancelled my twitter, because I found it too negative. That wasn't related to women, just about the general n… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 12:48 PM |
| 6 | Women are overratedWomen definitely get a ton of support in the culture -- all the "you go girl" stuff. And there are all kinds of unwritten rules that say you shouldn't disrespect women -- which are fine on the surface. The problem is that the boundaries for "disrespect" are drawn so wide, you get slapped for criticizing women at all. Make any little negative remark about women in general, and you're risking a backlash -- "what a sexist!" That's feminism + simpery + white knights + identity politics. I don't like… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 01:06 AM |
| 2 | I really don't know why I'm posting this tbhI hear you, and there's nothing more persuasive than personal experience, so you've got to listen to that. I guess as an overall statement, "AWALT" just seems like too big and broad a generalizations. Doesn't it depend on what characteristic we're talking about? I mean, when we say "all women are like that," what are we talking about, specifically? For instance: "All women have hypergamous instincts." I agree with that. It doesn't mean all women act on those instincts -- any more than men always… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/03/21 12:43 AM |
| 2 | I really don't know why I'm posting this tbhPerhaps your heart is not following your mind because your mind really isn't all that convinced of the idea that "all women are the same." Perhaps there is some part of you that recognizes, "Hey wait a minute, that might not actually be true." That's a good thing. Listen to that doubt. Women are not all the same (unless we're talking only about immutable biological characteristics). That's an overgeneralization. Don't buy into simplistic, reductionistic thinking about half the population on Eart… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/03/21 11:11 PM |
| 19 | How do you stop caring about women? (Serious advice only)It's tough, because at 19, it's so chemically driven, so hormonal. A lot of the feeling itself is beyond your control, at this point. It's called limerence. It's very much a chemical and biological thing, a mixture of lust + attachment + wishes/hopes. Maybe treat it like an addiction? Because in a lot of ways, it kind of is -- that same false promise of euphoria, the same obsession, the same hunt for the substance. The first step: acknowledge that you're addicted. 'Might as well face it, you're … | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/03/21 10:57 PM |
| 3 | Avoid women over 60 years oldI generally like older women better than younger women (not sexually, but just in terms of casual interactions), for a few reasons. One is that they're around my age (59). Two is that old coots can sometimes be refreshingly honest and open, because they're past the point where they care much about what others think. Third, because they're older, and I'm older too, there's no possible way they're going to think I'm romantically interested in them, so we both know the conversation is just a friend… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/03/21 03:30 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to have RedPill courses for men and women?Depends on what you mean by that. Do you mean something that's mandatory, or optional? If optional, sure, sounds like a good idea. If mandatory and paid for by tax payers, no. Do you mean a brick-and-mortar school, like a boarding school? I don't think that would fly. Or do you mean just courses that are available for anyone who's interested to take? That would be good, and I think those courses are popping up. I see it as similar to any other type of self-improvement training courses. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/03/21 04:48 PM |
| 0 | Just want to say hi, banned on MGTOWI'm more likely to walk away than get banned. It's getting a little too negative and "women bad" for me lately. I don't see anything very thoughtful or interesting being posted, just the same old complaints. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/03/21 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Just want to say hi, banned on MGTOWYep, I was banned from MGTOW for unknown reasons You too? There was a big thread here a while back, filled with many people in the same situation -- booted from the original subreddit for no reason. I'm one of them. The common denominator was that people said something that fell outside the "women bad" narrative -- they took a more nuanced approach, they questioned the level of hostility or negativity, or in some way challenged the groupthink. It's not a healthy place. what is the key difference… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/03/21 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Divorced Fathers Any Different that A Single Divorced Mom?One aspect of MGTOW is that divorced or single women are to be avoided at all costs, but how is a man who is paying court ordered child support (whether his child or not) any more desirable to a woman? I don't see any difference really You may be right that single fathers are no more desirable to women than single mothers are to men. I don't have any idea, because I'm not in that situation. I think there is a difference, though. If a man and woman get together, the man is generally in the role o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/03/21 10:47 PM |
| 2 | Is it possible to have RedPill courses for men and women?Yeah, there are red pill courses out there for men. Gregory at RPMH has some, for instance. None for women, afaik, but of course, the audience is mostly male. These are paid courses that people sign up for though, not an entire school devoted to it, that you could send people to. That would be cool. I could get a PhD in redpillology. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/03/21 10:43 PM |
| 1 | How do you deal with all the negativity and societal pressures when being mgtow?Society expects you to be crazy about your wife's pussy like it's food or oxygen. Otherwise, you're labeled as a loser or gay What now? I've felt a lot of expectations from society, but never that I should be "crazy about my wife's pussy or otherwise I'm a loser." | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/03/21 10:42 PM |
| 1 | Are there any good sources to read up on about men and women?That's really too big of a question to answer. If you could narrow it down, we might be able to help. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/03/21 10:38 PM |
| -6 | Why do women want men to open up to them so bad?I think the interpretations getting upvoted are of the "women bad" variety and sound rather paranoid to me (e.g. she's just trying to get information to use against you later). Could it be that she's just curious about what's going on with you? Women like to hear this stuff; they live on it. It's not necessarily because they are squirreling away data about you to punish you with later. Women are more interested in emotional and interpersonal life than men are, including drama, conflict, trouble.… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/03/21 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Sure, it's rude. It's not something I'd endorse myself, but I know a lot of guys here feel that way. Or, I shouldn't say "a lot." I think the percentage is actually pretty low, like about 10%. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/03/21 03:31 PM |
| 2 | What Type of MGTOW Content is Needed for the community?I agree about the repetitive content, but from what I understand, it's very hard to generate unique content on a daily basis, so they fall back on stories and news articles. Personally, I'd like to see more thoughtful pieces like the ones HuMAN produces. Things that approach the subject more philosophically, and with a humanistic tilt (I'm thinking of his interest in authenticity and integrity). I'd also like more idea-based pieces. We seem to recirculate the same ideas over and over. Part of th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 11:17 PM |
| 5 | Should every Man on Earth become MGTOW?.If every man on Earth went MGTOW, there would be no more men on Earth. MGTOW is a niche. It's always going to be a niche. It should always be a niche. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 11:10 PM |
| 18 | Are all dating relationships fundamentally transactional / out of convenience? or, The narratives we use to keep the charade goingI think most men are pretty good at adjusting to reality. We know what type of woman is within our grasp, and what type is outside our reach. Most of us understand that, and we make peace with it. Just because a woman is, say, a 5 or a 6 doesn't mean you can't get very romantically, emotionally attached to her. Most relationships are like this -- bondings between people of roughly equal attractiveness. Yes, I know there are exceptions, but that's the rule. Just because there's something better o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 11:04 PM |
| 2 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Yes, or "the juice isn't worth the squeeze," as they say. I could've made a poll option that captured this better. I have one that references the risks, but it would've been better had it been phrased something like, "Rationally speaking, the amount of work involved, and the risks entailed, just don't seem worth the reward." That is one that definitely fits me as well. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 12:14 PM |
| 3 | Married MGTOW?You are correct. You cannot be MGTOW and married. Being MGTOW requires two things: Red pill knowledge Avoidance of serious relationships with women, especially (but not limited to) marriage. That's the core of MGTOW. Always has been. You can be married and benefit from MGTOW -- by watching videos, reading content, participating on MGTOW forums, and so forth. But you can't actually be MGTOW if you're married. That's a contradiction in terms. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 01:51 AM |
| 2 | I am SO glad I found y'allExcellent. Sounds like you're doing really well and making some great moves. Your life must've gone up a couple of notches. Nice work. Most guys are floundering at your age, so you're ahead of the curve. Good job. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 01:48 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about this post by Paul Elam?He isn't talking about all MGTOW, just a subset who "seek group identity and push litmus tests on others." That's a very broad, vague statement. Hard to know specifically what he's reacting to. I suspect what happened is that he had an online run-in with some MGTOW guys -- maybe they insulted him -- and this is his retaliation. I have had some people "push litmus tests" on me. "You must be MGTOW like me or you're not really MGTOW." "If you don't feel as negatively about women as I do, you're not… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Hit a low (depression) mood today, and how I dug myself outSounds like you're going through a tough period. Birthdays can bring these reflections on. Thanks for sharing. I know a lot of other men suffer in silence. Men are taught not to talk about low moods. I think your example can help other people feel more comfortable with talking; at least I hope it does. There are very few spaces for men to get support. This is one of the few. I think it's great that you're taking advantage of it. Fwiw, I don't think you're having a "pity party." It just sounds li… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 01:26 AM |
| 2 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Yeah, I should've offered an option that had more to do with just making a rational calculus, based on red pill knowledge and seeing what's happening to other men. I didn't think of that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/03/21 12:32 AM |
| 29 | Modern women aren’t fun to be with...Yeah, I just saw this video. I saved it in my favorites, because I think it's one of his best. At least, it's one that really rung some bells for me, made a lot of sense. Most women just aren't any fun to be around. There's this tension about saying what's on your mind. Sidestepping various landmines. Many of them are depressed. They often seem to have an attitude. I'm not saying all women, but a lot of them. They're easily offended, so you have to either watch your step or just accept that they… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 10:18 PM |
| 1 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Some of this might be the social milleu we're all stuck in. HuMAN posted a video today about how women aren't fun anymore. You might want to give it a watch. I thought it was spot-on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NShNR5zGKY | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 10:04 PM |
| 2 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"That's interesting. It sort of matches my experience. Even though I've renounced my official faith in the teachings of Christianity (not all of them, but enough to disqualify me as Christian), I do not feel abandoned by God. I still believe in God, and I still have a strong, clear faith that this is His world, He loves me, and He has arranged things to work out okay in the end. Thanks for sharing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?beep boop | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 04:15 PM |
| 2 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?I would say they (the people you're criticizing) care about equality of outcome, not so much equality of opportunity. I don't think there's anything wrong with equality of opportunity. It's insisting on equality of outcome that is the problem. That's because they infer that unequal outcomes are evidence of sexism/racism/oppression and "something must be done about it" (usually some form of pressure, legislation, or hiring quotas). For example: Equality of opportunity = women can apply for STEM j… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 12:56 PM |
| 2 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Ah, learning from the experiences of others. I forgot to include that as an option. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 12:48 PM |
| 0 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?You're saying that people can rise above the dictates of their biology? Yes, I agree. I don't know what that has to do with the poll, though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 01:04 AM |
| 0 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?I didn't follow that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 12:49 AM |
| 5 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?I see. So it was a combination of red pill knowledge, insight about your own motives, and some bad experience with women. It doesn't sound like you got burned too badly. And ultimately, you decided you were happier alone. Me too. I realized I was happier alone before finding MGTOW, but the red pill knowledge has just cemented that conviction. It also helps to see how many other men feel the same way. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/03/21 12:44 AM |
| 3 | Mastering Stoicism Will Make You The Ultimate MGTOW. Must Read.Seneca is the best. I'd recommend Letters to a Stoic above all other stoic literature. It goes beyond just stoicism to life advice in general. I love how you can feel Seneca's character come through in the letters. That is very different than reading a distilled version of stoic principles, which most people do now. Reading Letters to a Stoic is not only brimming with wisdom, it gives you a palpable feeling for the man himself and the times in which he wrote. Epictetus is good, too, although I f… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 11:52 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Calling MGTOWs 'kings'?I don't mind people using it, but it sounds a little silly and narcissistic to me, at least when it's directed at yourself. I read a book a while back, with the title of "MGTOW Kings" or something like that. It was a lot of back-patting, self-congratulatory, "aren't we the greatest" stuff. It was more annoying than encouraging. I'm thinking, "Who are you trying to convince?" | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 11:45 PM |
| 2 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Makes sense. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 11:20 PM |
| 1 | Aaron Clarey's The Numbers BookI don't remember if he specifically addresses that. I know he talks about the chance of marriage working out in general, and about the average lifespan of a marriage (8 years, as you say). For me, it was the information about happiness within long-term marriages that was the most interesting. Data on that is very hard to come by and prone to all sorts of distortion (as he admits), but he cites some of it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 09:18 PM |
| 1 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Why did you decide to go MGTOW, rather than pursue the dating/PUA path? Sounds like you were aiming to date, but something you learned in that process made you change your mind. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 09:14 PM |
| 5 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?You're not "too young to recover." You're only 20. You're just getting started. Give yourself some time. Some of us are late bloomers (me included). | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 09:11 PM |
| 2 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Never got burned by women. I just realized that getting married or even being in a relationship to avoid loneliness severely limits your freedom and ability to pursue personal growth and self-actualization. Yeah, that's very similar to my own feelings. The only difference is, I did get burned by women occasionally. But it's also fair to say I probably burned them more than they did me. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 09:10 PM |
| 5 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Yeah, living in a temple sounds good. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 04:08 PM |
| 5 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Yup. Same here. I have a very similar story and perspective. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 04:07 PM |
| 9 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?Damn, that's a lot to go through. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 04:06 PM |
| 1 | Poll: Why are you MGTOW?I could've picked 2 or 3, but I went with 2. They're kind of similar. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 02:40 PM |
| 2 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Agreed. Good points. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 02:36 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: What makes a topic 'MGTOW'?I like how you break MGTOW down into an 'intellectual' level and a 'behavioural' level. Yeah, basically, the knowledge and then what you do with it. we might also have 'personal' level and 'society-facing' level, which would touch on self-improvement (e.g. physical fitness) and interactions with others (e.g. being involved in social activities) Hmm... Those would be subcategories of the behavioral ("what you do about it") level. It's a dilemma, since tying MGTOW down too much goes against what M… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 01:10 AM |
| 1 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Is that what "once saved, always saved" means? I've heard that expression, but I always figured it meant that you only needed to say the profession of faith once; you didn't need to keep doing it over and over. But you're saying that, even if you change your mind, lose your faith, and leave the church, that you're still "covered," so to speak? That's interesting. I've never heard that before. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/03/21 12:49 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: What makes a topic 'MGTOW'?Yeah, it was an interesting conversation. I'd sum it up this way. Here's how I define MGTOW: On the intellectual level, you have to have red pill knowledge about women, female psychology, intergender dynamics, the perils of marriage, etc. On the behavioral level, you have to avoid marriage, cohabitation, getting a woman pregnant, and all serious, long-term romantic-sexual relationships with women. Beyond that, there are a lot of different types -- monk, casual short-term relationships, pump and … | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 08:10 PM |
| 1 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Right, I agree. It requires considerable deprogramming. So the focus is necessary, in that respect. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 03:46 PM |
| 1 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Agreed, Don. This is a legitimate critique that some MGTOW men have of other aspects of MGTOW. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:56 PM |
| 1 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Yeah, that's a good point. It makes me think of the concept of "overlearning" in psychology, too. Overlearning helps consolidate learning. An example would be learning about some complicated theory. You can learn it by reading about it once or twice, and that's fine. But if you "overlearn" the subject -- repeatedly studying it, going over it from multiple angles, returning to the subject again and again, reviewing it, etc., then you really consolidate that learning in your head. It really gets i… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:54 PM |
| 1 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"But you're assuming the question always is coming from the same place, with the same motive/intent (shame/belittle). I agree that this is often how the question is put, but that's not the only possibility. You can also hear it posed by MGTOW themselves, who are upset with other MGTOW for focusing too much on women and not enough on themselves. And you can also just pose the question neutrally, objectively, to yourself, just to check your own motives and practices. That's how I'm doing it here. I… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:48 PM |
| 1 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Yeah, that is true. Some guys need to talk about it, especially with other guys who are going to understand their perspective. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:39 PM |
| 2 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Very good points. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:37 PM |
| 2 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Right. It helps to know where the mines and traps are. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:37 PM |
| 2 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Yes, I agree that providing this answer to someone who's aggressively attacking you for being MGTOW is not going to be effective. I didn't mean to suggest that it would be. This is just an answer I'm giving in my own head, to a question I'm posing to myself, neutrally. It's not something I would use to try to defend myself from an attack. If I'm ever attacked for being MGTOW (which is rare), I don't defend or explain myself. I just walk away. Maybe I'll give a parting shot first, but I don't try… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:33 PM |
| 2 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"That's fair and well-stated. Thanks. And I agree - the motive/intent depends on the speaker/questioner. Sure, it can be to shame and belittle. But it can also come from MGTOW men themselves, who are upset by other MGTOW who do focus obsessively on women, to the neglect of themselves and their own progress. And it can also be posed neutrally, just as a question you ask yourself, you take literally, and you give an answer -- which is how I'm using it here. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:27 PM |
| 4 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Thank you. What you said (e.g., "MGTOW needs to be about men .. focus on yourself ... I don't give a fuck (about women)," etc.) shows another side of the coin. The other guys were saying this question is just a shaming/manipulative tactic, but it's not. It's something you hear from MGTOW men themselves. Personally, I think they're reacting to the contingent of MGTOW guys who obsess over women, fixate on "women bad," and can't stop talking about them. I think they're exactly right -- those guys n… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 01:43 AM |
| 1 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Other people seem to hear this as a shaming tactic and a manipulation. I'm just looking at it as an abstract question. I'm in emotional neutral about it, dispassionate. I don't feel shamed or manipulated at all. I'm just analyzing the question from a logical point of view. beep boop. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 01:31 AM |
| 7 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"I guess that makes me an NPC. beep boop No, actually, it is a reasonable question, because saying on the one hand you're walking away from something, and yet on the other hand spending all your time talking about it can appear contradictory. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:59 AM |
| 15 | "If you're MGTOW, why do you still talk about women so much?"Ah, that's a harsh analogy, but I guess it reflects your experience. I don't share that background myself. Sorry to hear you've gone through something like that, though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:58 AM |
| 3 | Celibacy and “The Game”Thanks for the suggestion. In my post above, I probably made myself sound more horny and scared of pregnancy than I really am. Actually, I'm 59, and my sex drive is way down. If I'd gotten a vasectomy earlier in life, that would've been smart -- it would've saved me several anxious periods, hoping one didn't get by the goalie. But at this point, I have very little interest in having sex, so it's not really an issue anymore. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/03/21 12:47 AM |
| 2 | It’s Simplelol | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 11:53 PM |
| 3 | I wish I could accept this lifestyleYeah, I get what you're saying. Choosing MGTOW because you're not able to get a woman reminds me of sour grapes. You know -- you can't reach the grapes, and so you say, "Eh, I never wanted those stupid grapes in the place!" In other words, MGTOW is all about freedom, and because of that, it should be a free choice, not a compelled choice -- not something you choose because you're forced to, as some kind of booby prize. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 11:52 PM |
| 1 | The Karpman Drama Triangle is a model of some personal interactions between people who do not take responsibility for their own feelings. The roles are "Victim", "Persecutor", and "Rescuer".Yes, the Karpman triangle is a good conceptual tool. Just knowing the labels for the characters is helpful -- persecutor, victim, and rescuer. You can see people occupying those roles in many interactions. And you're right, they can shift around, so that a victim can become a persecutor, etc. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 09:27 PM |
| 2 | MGTOW: Do you meditate?Cool. Good luck. No, I don't meditate -- not in any formal, structured way, anyhow. I have tried to, but it always kind of drives me nuts. I get very antsy and restless. I get into an internal struggle where part of me is trying to force myself to sit still and focus, and the other is saying "Don't tell me what to do! Let me be free! Free!" lol. So I end up more tense than when I started. I occasionally will practice an informal type of meditation, where you just try to focus on the present mome… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 09:25 PM |
| 9 | I wish I could accept this lifestyleYou don't have to dislike women or think they are bad to be MGTOW. In fact, if you do, you're off course. To be MGTOW, you have to turn away from the desire for marriage or other forms of serious, committed romantic-sexual relationships with a woman. But you choose MGTOW freely, not because you're compelled to because you have no other choice. You do it because it's not worth the effort, and because you've got other things to do with your life that feel more worthwhile. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 09:22 PM |
| 2 | ShameWell, I'd say it depends... - on what you're expressing and how you're expressing it - on the state of the relationship (how you're getting along, how long you've known each other, how deep it's gotten); - her own comfort with expressing feelings, or hearing feelings from men, or with being open and honest in general It's hard to provide a general answer, because it depends on those factors and probably others as well. For instance, it's entirely possible to express genuine feelings in an awkwar… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 09:07 PM |
| 3 | It’s SimpleThese are the key tenants Not to be a pest, but it's "tenets," not tenants. I agree. I would add Don't get a woman pregnant Avoid long-term, serious relationships with women | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 08:55 PM |
| 7 | Celibacy and “The Game”I feel that one is actually going their own way to the highest level when they don’t seek ejaculation in the absence of procreation. I'd hate to restrict my ejaculations to procreation. That would mean I'd never have an orgasm, ever again. I'm not interested in having kids. Getting a woman pregnant scares me; it's like a nightmare scenario. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 08:49 PM |
| 6 | Financially Well Off MGTOW's, How did You achieve the Financial Independence and Freedom? How did you do it?Well, I achieved it in a few ways, and I didn't do it without help. For context, I'm 59, retired at 57. I had a decent-paying professional career, but it wasn't six figures. The whole financial story is a complex one, but I'll boil it down to these main factors: Being temperamentally frugal and non-materialistic. I've always been this way, as long as I can remember. It doesn't take much, in material terms, to make me happy and content. Reading voluntary simplicity literature ("minimalism" is the… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 12:56 PM |
| 4 | The price of anythingThat's right, and it goes for money, too, not just women. It's a helpful way to think about purchase decisions. Joe and Vicky Dominguez go into this in Your Money or Your Life. Money is something you exchange your life for. For any purchase, you can ask, "Is this item worth the life I'm trading away to pay for it?" For example, let's say you see a nice but expensive watch you'd like to own. If you do the calculations, it means you'll have to work for two months to pay for it. Is that watch worth… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/03/21 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Membership count3/11/21 (two months after original post): In the past two months, we've added 3600 members. Member count now at 35.6K. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/03/21 11:39 PM |
| 2 | I think it's time to go Monk Mode.Sounds good. I like the "give my brothers guidance" part. Monk is definitely simpler in some ways, but it's also more complicated or challenging in other ways. For instance, you don't have the structure, self-esteem, identity supports, and sense of belonging that, for most men, come from the traditional routes (pursuit of women, marriage/family/children, being in a provider and protector role, good husband/boyfriend role, and so forth). You have to come up with all that yourself. Which reminds m… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/03/21 02:37 PM |
| 2 | The weights of life are to heavySorry to hear how you're feeling. You sound depressed and like you feel trapped or hopeless. That must be painful. Can I suggest you pick up a book, Feeling Good, by David Burns? You might find it helpful. I wish you the best. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/03/21 01:40 PM |
| 6 | I think it's time to go Monk Mode.That sounds wise to me. You're taking yourself off the market, because you realize that otherwise, you'd be inflicting yourself on women, hurting them basically. I think that's an indication of your conscience and moral compass, that you don't want to hurt other people. You also talk about growing yourself, which will enable you to contribute better to society. Both of those things are very admirable -- the desire for personal growth and the desire to contribute to society somehow. So it seems t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/03/21 01:37 PM |
| 0 | We should be nicer to incelsYeah, I agree. At first, I wanted to push incels away, because I was tired of being associated with them. After all, it's the go-to slur of MGTOW at the moment. But now I'm coming around to a more understanding point of view. Technically, I would've been an incel myself, up until about the age of 19 or 20, had such a group existed back then. That was 40 years ago. Things have gotten much worse since then, with the internet and dating apps. I have sympathy for young men and the terrible odds they… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/03/21 01:16 PM |
| 1 | Listen to your MGTOW Grandpa! MGTOW is about menSomehow I didn't get notified of this comment. Sorry for the late reply. I agree with your concern. I said the same thing to Perseus, when he presented his level system. It presented the MGTOW levels as if it was a developmental progression, with higher levels meaning you were better (more enlightened, more disciplined, etc.). I don't see it that way, and I don't think you have to see "levels" in that way (higher = better). You can see levels as just points on a continuum, with higher = more emb… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/03/21 01:01 PM |
| 1 | New red pill or MGTOW-related Youtube channelsThanks, I'll take a look. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/03/21 12:25 PM |
| 4 | New red pill or MGTOW-related Youtube channelsI like Think Before You Sleep. Never heard of the other (Easy Switch Sniper?). | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 06:55 PM |
| 1 | New red pill or MGTOW-related Youtube channelsNever heard of True Story. I'll have to check that out. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 06:54 PM |
| 2 | New red pill or MGTOW-related Youtube channelsYes, I could've mentioned him, too. I liked his video on Jordan Peterson; very insightful. I do get a little tired of the reaction format, because it's basically sitting down to watch some BS content, with occasional comments from him. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 02:58 PM |
| 2 | New red pill or MGTOW-related Youtube channelsYeah, Chronic and James von Maxwell have been around for years, though. SSM is relatively new. I like him ok, though I have a hard time listening to someone read articles. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 02:51 PM |
| 2 | New red pill or MGTOW-related Youtube channelsGotcha. Those have been around for a while, though, and are already very popular. I'm trying to focus the thread on new channels that people might not have heard of. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 02:45 PM |
| 12 | Hello! I'm wondering can anyone explain the pills to Me, what they stand for and what pill YOU guys takeLike the other fellow said, it's a metaphor that comes from The Matrix. I'd define them a little differently than he did. Red pill: means waking up, raising your level of awareness regarding such things as women, relationships with them, the state of gender relations, the dangers of marriage, the court biases, etc. "Red pill" is a set of knowledge about the programming that helps you step outside it, free yourself from it. Blue pill: means you have never encountered this knowledge or have dismis… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 01:16 PM |
| 2 | I found this on r/conspiracy and I think it belongs hereI hear those kinds of reports from people who take ayahuasca or DMT, more than with shrooms. I took shrooms twice, decades ago. The first time, I had an anxiety attack. The second time was pleasant and fun. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 12:45 PM |
| 1 | Any other subs on Reddit that are post-red pill rage? MGTOW2 is on borrowed time.I don't get it. But okay, enjoy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 12:42 PM |
| 2 | Grandpa's most important rule! MGTOW Rule 5: Don't look for society's validation. Get validation from going your own wayYes, I agree with all of that. The distinguishing feature of MGTOW is the conclusion "no marriage/no cohabitation". But I think MGTOW should also be about the factors that feed into that conclusion. For example, I see MGTOW as being broader than "don't seek female validation", but rather "don't seek external validation at all", and that then becomes a discussion about those other external validation factors, like the importance of physical fitness and financial independence. But perhaps that mak… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 12:35 PM |
| 3 | I found this on r/conspiracy and I think it belongs hereSounds like he had a good experience and learned a lot. You don't need to take mushrooms to learn what he learned about nutrition -- you just need to dive into the material. I don't know about the "death of the ego" stuff. People mean different things by that word, so I never quite know what they're talking about. If he means he's not full of himself, trying to pump up his public image, and not so defensive, that's good. Again, though, you don't need to take mushrooms to have those effects, and … | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 01:08 AM |
| 4 | Any other subs on Reddit that are post-red pill rage? MGTOW2 is on borrowed time.There is also mgtow8, whose description reads: "All the other MGTOW subreddits focus on women. This subreddit will not allow any kind of talk about them. We men must concentrate on ourselves." I think that's a dumb idea (to disallow any talk about women in a MGTOW forum), and, not surprisingly, the forum is dead. No activity for 5 or 6 months. It only has 5 posts -- and 2 of them have women as a focus. So, whoever is in charge is not paying any attention. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Any other subs on Reddit that are post-red pill rage? MGTOW2 is on borrowed time.But the sub is labelled "A place to make fun of MGTOW." | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 12:39 AM |
| 3 | Any other subs on Reddit that are post-red pill rage? MGTOW2 is on borrowed time.Quarantined, not banned. About a year ago, maybe. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/03/21 12:37 AM |
| 4 | Any other subs on Reddit that are post-red pill rage? MGTOW2 is on borrowed time.Grandpa (formerly Don Melbourne) has a site: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOWL/ It's not very active, but it's one option. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/03/21 08:01 PM |
| 2 | Grandpa's most important rule! MGTOW Rule 5: Don't look for society's validation. Get validation from going your own wayThat [not seeking female validation] is definitely part of it, but I wouldn't call it the core of MGTOW. The core is not seeking validation from any external source. Yes, we have a difference of opinion here. We've talked about it in the past, but at the risk of belaboring the point, I'll take one more stab at it. If we say that the central, defining, and distinguishing feature of MGTOW is an emphasis on psychological autonomy in the broad sense (being independent of all external validation, i.e… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/03/21 01:21 PM |
| 5 | Imagine being a dot on this ever increasing divorce rate graph.These charts are a little confusing. For instance, the one on divorce rates makes it look like divorce rates are falling. And they are, based on how they calculate it -- per 1000 people, not by per 1000 people who are married. Since fewer people are getting married, of course fewer of them are getting divorced. It makes interpreting the data rather confusing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/03/21 12:39 PM |
| 9 | MGTOW worldIf you avoid anything related to women, then you're giving women too much power and actually weakening yourself in the long run. Do you know the concept of anti-fragility? It applies here. Look up Jonathan Haidt on Youtube; he has a talk on the three ideas that are damaging young people. This is one of them. It's not dissimilar from the idea of safe spaces. Metaphorically, your psychological immune system grows stronger by exposing yourself to infectious agents, not by avoiding them. If you try … | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/03/21 12:31 PM |
| 1 | So, I have some friends of mine who are simps and white knightsYou know, my first reaction to your title (without reading the post) was, "Yes, most men are blue pill simps, so you have to accept that among friends, or you'll be alone (unless you prefer that)." However, after reading your post, I changed my mind. Those guys aren't just your normal blue pill simps. Those are raging white knights and male feminists who are too far gone to reason with. Even the women agreed with what you were saying. It was the men who were arguing, supporting a blatantly misan… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/03/21 12:25 PM |
| 5 | Grandpa's most important rule! MGTOW Rule 5: Don't look for society's validation. Get validation from going your own wayThanks for the post, Grandpa. I'm close to your age, so I'm probably not your intended audience, but I appreciate it nonetheless. Your posts are always thoughtful and well-considered. They always help elevate the discussion. I've always been oriented toward independence, non-conformity, autonomy, call it what you will. It's much easier to say than do. It can be a lonely path sometimes. But I wouldn't have it any other way. As for me, I believe that not seeking female validation is at the core of… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 11:18 PM |
| 2 | Fellow MGTOW men: Would you do anything differently if you knew that reincarnation was true?I'm having trouble with the question, because it's framed in terms of "doing" something differently. I know that I would think something different, and some issues would feel different, but I don't know if I would necessarily do anything different. What I mean is, if I knew reincarnation was true, my thoughts and feelings would change. For example, I would not worry much about the end of my life (because my life wouldn't really end). I would not worry about getting everything done in one lifetim… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 11:00 PM |
| 10 | I don't like Female NatureYes, your comment reminds me, this idea/truth depends on your level of self-awareness. Some men are able to convince themselves that they don't have feelings of sadness, anxiety, shame, uncertainty, etc. They are free from these lower states that afflict mere mortals. I've never been able to delude myself like that. Some men are able to, though, and live with this sort of self-concept. If you do, you won't get what I'm saying. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 02:22 PM |
| 9 | I don't like Female NatureThanks, I appreciate it. To clarify, I'm not saying that you can't have any closeness and intimacy with women, or that relationships require you to fake yourself. I think it is very possible to have some degree of closeness and intimacy with women. It just can't be complete, like you might imagine or hope for. There are some things that you cannot disclose -- not habitually anyway (you might be able to get away with it once or twice) -- unless you're willing to lose part of her romantic-sexual a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 01:49 PM |
| 1 | While this sub is great and if the mods do a great job. I'd like to meet some like minded men.I'd be interested in such a thing, if it existed. Let us know if you get something together. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 01:01 PM |
| 4 | Why do I feel like this?I'll make a few guesses. I could be off, of course. These are just guesses, based only on what you wrote. One element might be an overly harsh view of women and their motives. You might be assuming she's out to get you somehow. Or, you could be ventilating some of the anger and hostility that comes from either that harsh view of women or displaced anger/frustration from other sources. You might have some self-esteem issues. Your imagined response, "Of all the guys you can choose from, you pick m… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 12:58 PM |
| 17 | I had a discussion yesterday about Men's Rights and I was shocked by what I was toldI think my retort to her would've been that society already privileges women. This is already a gynocentric society. It's true that, historically, women were oppressed, but the tide turned maybe 50-60 years ago, and since then, things have tilted strongly in favor of women. Women are now excelling men in most areas, have endless governmental support, many laws and courts biased in their favor, etc., whereas men's issues are ignored or ridiculed. There is no class more privileged and protected th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 12:48 PM |
| 63 | I don't like Female NatureI found out for myself that without a sexual intent just as friends a woman can act completely different. But as soon as its sexual its like playing mind games. You can never really show who you really are, show too much emotions, open up and treat her good. Otherwise she loses attraction and respect, but that whole concept is nuts. You always have to act in a certain frame, never show weakness, and be proactive in every way, even as an introvert. I mean, I can do all that but I don't want to do… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/03/21 12:42 PM |
| 3 | Rural locations with low cost of livingThat does sound peaceful. And the natural beauty of such a place can be wonderful. I'm sure the ranch itself, with all its animals and activity, is a rewarding place to live. I don't do well with country living, personally. I prefer to live in a small university town, maybe 50K or so. That's where I live now -- small town, deep red state, but not too "hicky." Cost of living is low and housing costs are way below the national average. People are friendly, which of course is one of the biggest adv… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/03/21 10:14 PM |
| 3 | Rural locations with low cost of livingYeah, if you have the skills and you're willing to buy a fixer-upper, you can save a lot of money on housing. I'm not that way, personally. I can do a moderate amount of fixing up, but I don't want to spend a lot of time and energy on major remodeling. However, for those who do, it's a good way to save. One thing to be aware of, when you're moving to a rural, low-cost area -- sometimes, the cost is low because no one wants to live there, and for good reason (e.g., it's impoverished, no resources… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/03/21 05:11 PM |
| 8 | I don't know anymorePay attention to what you're thinking, about what they're saying. Ok, someone said something mean and cruel about you. But the key is how you are thinking about that. It sounds like you're feeling depressed, which tells me that you're taking the attack as true or well-founded and agreeing with it. You might want to double-check your thinking. For instance... Is what they're saying really true? Or is there some distortion to it? Is the source credible? That is, is the person saying this someone w… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/03/21 01:16 PM |
| 2 | Do you know anyone with a good relationship?Yes, I was, for about three and a half years. I pulled the plug, because I was miserable. It felt like I was living someone else's life, trying to inhabit a role that didn't suit me. I made a mistake in marrying her. She was a single mother with a disturbed child. I was way too overconfident about love carrying the day. I badly underestimated the difficulties and my own vulnerabilities. I was very blue pilled back in those days. That was about 20 years ago now. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/03/21 01:06 PM |
| 2 | New rule being added to the sub. Rule 9: SourcingSounds good. Something needed to be done. I have noticed that in the past, when I've tried to report overly negative posts of the type you're referencing, I am often at a loss as to what specific rule is being violated, so I end up selecting "custom," because it doesn't really fit any of the current categories. Adding this rule might help give us some more options. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/03/21 10:55 PM |
| 3 | Do you know anyone with a good relationship?That reminds me of some claim i have read that men have the natural urge to provide for a woman and i strongly disagree. I can say that I have some urge, some in-built desire, to care for SOMEONE. Not necessarily a woman. But there's something in me that isn't happy unless I'm caring for, helping to nurture, someone else. That wasn't something I felt when I was in my 20s, but it is now, in my 50s. I fulfill that need in a few different ways. I take care of my dog. He's a very needy fellow, so th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/03/21 04:24 PM |
| 2 | Grandpa MGTOW Rule 4: Invest time into your communityFair enough. I would like to be more involved in my community, but this stupid COVID stuff has shut everything down. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/03/21 01:51 PM |
| 5 | Do you know anyone with a good relationship?Do you know any relationship you would like to have? A couple that is truely happy and lives like you would like to if you found the woman for that? Nope. I can only comment on the two marriages I know something about and even come close to being good (others are a mystery, since you only see the outside). I'm older (59), so this pertains to relationships that I've witnessed for a couple of decades. My brother has been married to a nice Christian woman for about 20 years. They get along fine, bu… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/03/21 01:34 PM |
| 1 | I’m leaving the rat raceYeah, I have heard similar stories from many men. They work hard at careers they chose because it was a lucrative field -- i.e., because it paid well. Problem is, they don't enjoy their life along the way. Decades spent at a job they don't really like. Stressing out over all the additional responsibilities and burdens that accompany the higher pay. The work and stress wear down their body and spirit over time, until they are a shell of their former selves, deprived, neglected inside. A wage slav… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/03/21 01:15 PM |
| 2 | Why are men so blue pilledOh, it always takes a long time to escape social conditioning, especially stuff that is this ingrained and hardwired. Most men -- the overwhelming majority -- are blue pill and will continue to remain blue pill for their entire life. That's just the nature of human beings and social conditioning. Most people live out social scripts. It is the rare person who can really see outside/beyond them and break free in any sort of consistent, permanent sense. Even most men calling themselves MGTOW or red… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 02:38 PM |
| 8 | First time posting, usually I lurk in the commentsI'm in the US. We hear about cases similar to that here, too -- harmless little actions, followed by false allegations and big negative consequences for the man. It's a shame, and it's understandable that men are pulling back and being wary of interacting with women. The only thing I'd add is that while it's good to consider these risks, we usually get an exaggerated picture of the actual real-world risk by watching news media. For instance, if you watch the news sometimes, you'd come away think… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 02:33 PM |
| 6 | SIMPS are the reason the society is failing?I don't think it's all due to feminism. Feminism has amplified it, yes, but the roots of simpery can be found in many places that predate feminism. The main factor is biology. Evolution has predisposed men to be the disposable sex, to sacrifice their energies and lives for the sake of family (women and children). Evolutionarily speaking, sperm is cheap, and eggs are precious. Men had to be willing to give their lives for women for us to be here now, complaining about men who simp. Evolution has … | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 02:22 PM |
| 1 | Grandpa MGTOW Rule 3: Maintain good financial health by investing money and resourcesGood, common sense advice from grandpa. Reminds me of Dave Ramsey's slogan, "We give you the advice your grandmother gave you, only we keep our teeth in." | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 12:59 PM |
| 2 | Question about MGTOW I used to consider myself an incel, but now that I was redpilled after a few failed relationships and realized the true nature of the women I was with. I have seen a lot of MGTOW content that talks about high status men being the most effective MGTOW as they’re who the women want most. So where do I stand in this movement. I’m ready to leave women behind but am I actually MGTOW, or just an incel in denial. As I see it, MGTOW means you've decided to stop pursuing serious romantic-sexual relatio… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 12:52 PM |
| 1 | Can't have a girlfriend and be MGTOWI agree it can't be the same as same-sex friendship, but I think friendship with women is possible. It would depend on how you define "friendship," though. Some people use that term to just mean close, intimate friendship, whereas others use it very loosely. I'm thinking of it rather loosely. Btw, I was thinking this morning that maybe "not seeking female validation" is too abstract and vague a concept to clearly define MGTOW. I see a lot of guys having difficulty understanding it, and to be hon… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 12:25 PM |
| 3 | Can't have a girlfriend and be MGTOWseeking female validation is not a MGTOW way. There you go. I think that's the crucial distinction. And this is a term that applies to romantic-sexual relationships, not general, non-sexual relationships. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 02:09 AM |
| 6 | True love existsI like Aquinas' definition of love as "willing the good of the other." When you're doing that, consistently, you're loving them. You can do that to anyone -- man, woman, animal, child, tree. Willing the good, and then doing something about it -- that's love. It's motivated by feeling, but it's not primarily a feeling. Primarily, it's an act of the will: a choice. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 02:04 AM |
| 3 | How do you handle finances as a MGTOW?How's your experience been with people your age? You effectively retired 10 years early. Aaron Clarey has talked about this problem people have who have obtained freedom and retired/working on their own projects on their own schedule early on. Their friends have no time and are busy at work or with family, and even when not, are in poor physical health or lazy. Has freedom been a lonely path? Yeah, sometimes I get lonely. Not often. Maybe once a month? It's not a strong feeling, and it doesn't s… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/03/21 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Can't have a girlfriend and be MGTOWI tend to agree. I'd include short-term relationships under the MGTOW umbrella, at the outer edge (level 1, if you want to think in terms of levels) but I'd exclude long-term relationships. STRs don't usually involve strong emotional attachment, whereas LTRs do. LTRs involve a clear boyfriend-girlfriend relationship, whereas most STRs don't (I guess some might, depends where you draw the line). This goes beyond the usual no marriage/cohab criteria, but it springs from what I think is a more fund… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/03/21 11:00 PM |
| 8 | How do you handle finances as a MGTOW?59, retired since 57. About 25-30 years ago, I adopted a philosophy of voluntary simplicity (now known as minimalism), which served me well and fit my personality and values (I've never been into materialism or achieving along conventional lines, more internally directed). I also live in a low-cost area of the country. I was married and divorced, but I got out in 4 years with minimal damage, no alimony or child support, lost about 25-50K. After I was divorced, I paid off my house and then was ab… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/03/21 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Modernity has unraveled the “true nature of women” as some have said, but it has unraveled men’s nature tooWell, I disagree with your thesis, but I guess I've already made that clear. No sense in beating a dead horse. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/03/21 03:52 PM |
| 5 | Where did all these douchebags come from?Yeah, it's discouraging. Yesterday, I was thinking about just tuning out MGTOW for a while, because it was getting to the point where I felt I was getting into too many arguments -- usually around these issues. I felt like I was sticking up for women's dignity and humanity, which is not really my purpose in being here. But I felt compelled to do it, because so many posts lately have been that tired old "women bad, men good" variety. Some of them have been extremely reductionistic and simplistic.… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/03/21 01:06 PM |
| 1 | Modernity has unraveled the “true nature of women” as some have said, but it has unraveled men’s nature tooWell, I'm using the phrase "women bad" as shorthand, not to be taken literally. I don't mean that you literally said that women are bad. What I'm saying is that your post fits the "women bad" pattern we often see around here (more commonly on the original subreddit). I mean, you're saying women are irredeemably selfish. They are unable to transcend their most base impulses. Men, however, are -- men can do these (what I would say are) basic human tasks involving introspection, self-awareness, and… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/03/21 12:49 PM |
| 1 | In need of guidanceI'll check that out, too. Bibliotherapy is a way of life for me, lol. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/03/21 12:39 PM |
| 1 | Modernity has unraveled the “true nature of women” as some have said, but it has unraveled men’s nature tooI’ve yet to meet a women or even hear about a women who transcends further than caring for themselves. You've never heard of nuns, or female Christian saints, or Mother Teresa, or women who dedicated their lives to helping the poor, or women who served in the armed forces, or women who go on overseas missions to impoverished countries, or women who sacrificed themselves to raise their children? | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/03/21 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Modernity has unraveled the “true nature of women” as some have said, but it has unraveled men’s nature tooI don't buy into the "women bad, men good" routine. I hope I never do. The men I see gravitate to it seem young and badly confused to me. Going MGTOW does not mean you have to believe women are morally deficient and men are superior. If you go there, you've just flipped the feminist script ("men bad, women good") -- but as Einstein said, you can't solve a problem by using the same level of thinking that got you there. "Women bad" is the same level of thinking -- the same simplistic, reductionist… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/03/21 10:33 PM |
| 1 | In need of guidanceHm. Ok, here are my suggestions. Take what you like and leave the rest. If you're feeling like your therapy is a waste of time, that's not a good sign. I would suggest either telling the therapist that ("I'm feeling like this is a waste of time"), which could potentially lead to some rethinking/restrategizing on her part, or else just cut bait and find a new therapist. Research suggests that bibliotherapy can be as helpful as psychotherapy, sometimes moreso. What's bibliotherapy? It's buying a g… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/03/21 10:15 PM |
| 1 | I need some financial advice from older men in this communityI don't know what I can say to help, really. I mean, what you're saying is true -- the government takes a large percentage of what you make, so you're left with 30-40K/yr. I don't know any way around that -- assuming you're taking advantage of all the tax sheltering options you have -- apart from moving to another country, and even then, I have heard the US govt. still shakes ex-pats down for taxes. The main thing is to have a good investment plan and stick to it over the long haul. But you alre… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/03/21 10:01 PM |
| 1 | The Great Sexual Market Crash of 2025First of all, your first assumption is incorrect. Life is great for me without having to worry about the emotions of other people. Hey, if you're living a happy and fulfilling life without any emotional connection to any other living thing, human or animal, more power to you. I haven't known anyone who's like that, personally. I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just hard to believe. Evidence? I'll beg off on that, in part because I'm too lazy, and in part because it's obvious to me that people… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/03/21 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Youtube music is forcing on us "celebrating women's history" playlist recommendationsNo, Youtube counts dislikes as engagement, and engagement is part of the algorithm that determines how a video is promoted. I've heard several Youtubers invite people to downvote: "If you don't like the video, please give it a thumbs-down, because that helps it, too." Now, if a video gets few likes and a ton of dislikes, that may work against it, not sure, but that wouldn't apply to these music videos. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/03/21 06:34 PM |
| 1 | Listen to your MGTOW Grandpa! MGTOW is about menGood to see you back, Don, er, Grandpa. You offer a lot of good thoughts on the history of MGTOW and where the original subreddit stumbled, and where this one does, too, sometimes. I agree with you. I also appreciate your writing, which is clear and to the point. I also like that you're an old coot like me, and that you have some historical knowledge of MGTOW. Then a few months ago, a massively upvoted post about "the rules of MGTOW" -- which was just about the evils of women -- caused me to d… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/03/21 02:29 PM |
| 12 | The Sad Reality of A Beta Buxx Husband. How Women Use Sex as A weapon? I'm Glad it Will Never be Me or any of us here.I think that's part of the issue. Another part is just getting tired of each other, sexually. This happens for women quicker than for men, but it happens for men, too. What's that old saying? "For every beautiful woman, there's a man tired of fucking her"? Sex with any one person gets boring after a while. Yeah, you can do things to 'spice it up,' but most marriages fall into a stale routine after a while. I remember in my own marriage, after about 3 years, sex was enjoyable physically but often… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/03/21 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Youtube music is forcing on us "celebrating women's history" playlist recommendationsIt's how almost all social media operates. The currency is your time and attention. When you give that -- by clicking on a video, watching it, then giving it thumbs up or down -- that predicts more money for them. Therefore, that video gets boosted by the algorithm. Whether your experience was good or bad doesn't matter much to them (although they'll use it to tune your individual recommendations). What matters is that it got your time and attention. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/03/21 01:59 PM |
| 1 | Women want sex more than menI don't think so. I read recently that men have 9 times the sex drive that women do. I think it's true that women have more interest in getting pregnant and having kids than men do. But in sex itself? No, I'm pretty sure men are a lot more interested in that than women (on average). From an evolutionary perspective, that makes sense. Men would need to have a much higher sex drive, because they are the ones who have to put in all the work to chase, pursue, win over, provide for, etc. Women, meanw… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/03/21 03:48 PM |
| 2 | The Great Sexual Market Crash of 2025Uh, I didn't even come close to saying any of that. Don't know why you felt the need to set up a strawman, just to knock it over. Ok? I specifically said that if we don't get our attachment needs met from women, we'll have to get them met through friends, family, or animals. I noticed that you restricted yourself to women ("mother, sister, and girlfriends"). To clarify, attachment refers to any emotional bond, not just with women. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/03/21 03:29 PM |
| 28 | Youtube music is forcing on us "celebrating women's history" playlist recommendationsJust FYI, I think downvoting a video also helps it, because the algorithm counts that as audience engagement. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/03/21 11:50 AM |
| 4 | The Great Sexual Market Crash of 2025I think you're confusing "living alone" with "living without attachment." Living alone is just a domestic arrangement. It's entirely possible to live alone and be happy; many people do this. I'm one. Living without attachment, though, means living without emotional connection to anyone else. No friends. No emotional bond to anyone else in the world, human or animal. Is that the kind of life you're living? With no emotional connection to any other living thing? I doubt it. I don't know about you,… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/03/21 10:56 AM |
| 9 | The Great Sexual Market Crash of 2025Yeah, I agree. I don't see "the huge push for legalized sex work by women" that the OP is talking about. I see some people suggesting we consider it. I don't see any large-scale push for it, by women or anyone else. I don't expect prostitution will be legalized in the US any time soon. Too much baggage around it which makes you a political target, if you take it up as a cause. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/03/21 12:05 AM |
| 18 | The Great Sexual Market Crash of 2025People always simplify human relations to just sex, but it's more than that. It's about attachment needs. Attachment is a basic, primal, biological and psychological need. It is essential to life (e.g., kids who don't get it die). We really need to stop oversimplifying things. Attraction to women isn't just about sex. It's about emotional-psychological attachment. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/03/21 12:02 AM |
| 4 | The Great Sexual Market Crash of 2025I think we'll see a continuing incremental decline, but I don't think it'll be anything catastropic, like falling off a cliff. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 11:57 PM |
| 2 | My closest high-school friend is becoming a finsubCould be. I'm not an expert in sexual masochism. I don't know where it comes from. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 09:08 PM |
| 1 | My closest high-school friend is becoming a finsubShort-term pain/humiliation somehow causes them pleasure. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 08:46 PM |
| 2 | needing help from older people on how to guide my futureThe only thing I know is that I want financial freedom and enjoy my life, I am not a believer in the traditional, university and studies ... I like none of the traditional careers Well, the first goal you mention (financial freedom) means you have to get a job/career that earns plenty of money. The second goal (enjoy life) means it can't be a job/career that you're doing just for money; it has to be at least somewhat interesting or enjoyable to you. The third statement indicates you've crossed o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 08:20 PM |
| 5 | My closest high-school friend is becoming a finsubThat's not just being a simp; that's sexual masochism. Some guys get off on being dominated and treated like shit. They like the humiliation and the subservience. Go figure. I can't relate to it. But some guys are wired that way. He's not even getting any sexual action, though. Not directly, anyhow. He probably beats off to fantasies of her doing stuff to him. Yeah, it's pretty twisted, I agree. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 08:08 PM |
| 5 | Reverse seared a steak on the suggestion of a poster hereHm. I'll have to try that some time. I have a steak once a day, so I could stand to experiment a little with my cooking methods. I like things simple (thus my user name), so all I do is salt + pepper, then skillet fry. Most of the time, I can get it just how I like it -- rare with a nice sear. About a third of the time, I over- or under-do it. I don't use a thermometer, just a timer, and sometimes not that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Science, statistics and spirituality support redpillTrue, but he specifically cited "various religions" as the source of his statement, so that's what I was responding to. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 06:58 PM |
| 4 | The Lady Gaga dog walker saga. The dogs mattered more than the walkerSo if we put those two together, we get: dogs > people. Sounds about right. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 06:56 PM |
| 2 | Good evening gentsI was reading. I've gotten into trying to read Literature lately -- you know, the serious stuff, rather than just general fiction. Trying to deepen myself a bit. I was into literature in college, but that was decades ago. It's been hit and miss. I don't get into a lot of the stories and just wonder what other people see in them. But some of them have really stuck with me. "The Ledge," for example, by Lawrence Sargent Hall, is a great one, about a man and his sons out hunting. Very disturbing. If… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 03:58 PM |
| 30 | The Lady Gaga dog walker saga. The dogs mattered more than the walkerWell, to be fair, I like dogs more than women, so it evens out. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Science, statistics and spirituality support redpillI agree about the red pill spreading. I'm not so sure about the religious element. You said that a lot of religions talk about women getting desperate for men, but I haven't heard that. My general impression of religion is that it props up the traditional roles for men and women, as husband and wife. Part of that is reinforcing the male role as self-sacrificial provider and protector of women and children. Most religious teaching is contrary to red pill. Scientifically, it's true that there are … | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 03:49 PM |
| 2 | Have you noticed l...the insecure brag the mostYeah, there are some exceptions to the rule (e.g., someone saying it in a low-key, matter-of-fact way), but when someone says they are X or Y, and they seem to be trying to persuade you of it or sell you on it -- that's a virtual guarantee that they are insecure about it and are compensating by trying to pump up their public image. That goes for the RP guys who talk about how "alpha" they are, too, or the guys who talk about their masculinity. I read it as a sign of the opposite. They are just t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/02/21 03:41 PM |
| 3 | Help me understand why people watch thisYou're probably right -- Deepak Chopra is one of those guys who is Oprah-promoted to fame and fortune, but doesn't really know a whole lot. Most of the time when he speaks, it's just babble to me. Of course, his religious views give him a conception of life that is very different than mine. He's all about nothingness, emptying the self, all that Buddhist or Hindu stuff. I don't see the world that way, so what he says doesn't connect. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 10:36 PM |
| 7 | Is this sub better than the first MGTOW sub?I spent a year on the original sub and about a year here. My impression is that this one is much better. The original sub has two main problems, afaic. First, it is an echo chamber and has far too much of a groupthink dynamic going on. The party line is "women bad, men good," and if you step out of line (if you try to introduce realistic points that don't fit the narrative), then you're permabanned without warning or hesitation. Only a narrow range of opinions are allowed. Anything else is activ… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 10:31 PM |
| 2 | I'm not well likedYeah, I'll just add that getting divorced, even if you know it's for the best, is always a difficult time. I went through a lot of sadness and loss, even though I initiated my divorce and knew it was the right thing to do. I also remember that, following the divorce, I went through a period of furious dating and humping ... almost to quell my hurt and feel some connection. Despite some enjoyable sex, none of that went very well, because I wasn't in a good place, and I wasn't making good decision… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 07:55 PM |
| 1 | What’s the difference between MGTOW and Incels?Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm certainly no stud, but I've been married and had half a dozen girlfriends and a dozen other encounters, so it's easy for me to dismiss the "incel" charge. If you're in a different situation, where you haven't had sex, the charge might touch on a vulnerability, so it'd be harder to shrug off. Sorry you guys get that. I'm glad I didn't have to contend with that when I was younger. I was definitely an "incel" until I was about 19 -- in the sense that I wanted to … | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 07:48 PM |
| 1 | I'm not well likedI'm not clear why you titled your post "I'm not well liked," when the problem seems to be that you're a little too well liked, albeit by the wrong people -- three "scorned" women who are now accusing you of rape, etc. If you want my advice (probably not, but wth), be careful where you stick your dick. It sounds like you are mixing with some "beautiful babes" who are also crazy harpies, probably cluster B. Sooner or later, that will backfire. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 03:10 PM |
| 3 | Some Wise Words. Very Short But Important Reminder.It's a nice ideal, but honestly, no one is (or should strive to be) that way -- "never GAF about what anyone thinks about you." No one can be completely independent of the opinion of other people. Inevitably, there will be some people whose opinion of you matters -- family, friends, reference groups, bosses, colleagues, whatever. We're social animals, who are biologically programmed to care what others think about us -- not only because of mere survival (in the past, peer rejection = death), but… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 03:02 PM |
| 20 | 😑Wow, that's some serious simping. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 02:54 PM |
| 1 | What’s the difference between MGTOW and Incels?"Incel" is the equivalent of weapons grade plutonium as far as derogatory labels used to shame men. Like creep or bitter, it's a negative that you have no power to disprove and only the strongest of wills can shrug off Really? I find it very easy to shrug off, chuckle at it, and I don't have a particularly strong will. I'm just aware of how inaccurate it is. It's a silly, childish attempt to name-call. It's the kind of thing that gets said by someone who no clue what they're talking about. I don… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 12:49 PM |
| 1 | What’s the difference between MGTOW and Incels?To answer your question simply, MGTOW are relatively indifferent to female validation (that is, whether women like them or want to engage in romantic-sexual relations with them), in part because they are not seeking serious, long-term relationships with women. Their desires for love, companionship, connection, purpose, self-worth, and meaning are (ideally, anyhow) met in other ways, rather than through women. If a MGTOW is healthy, he is happy and content. Incels, on the other hand, highly value… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/02/21 12:45 PM |
| 1 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?I'm starting to believe that maybe we should bring back the "levels" of MGTOW. I don't recall why they fell out of use. It was a good idea from the start since it is obvious that MGTOW is like a spectrum [....] Perhaps we should bring back the levels to end this argument. Yes, I agree. I said something similar in my last paragraph, although you might not have made it that far, since our posts are getting pretty long. Quoting myself: There might be some utility in the idea of "levels" of MGTOW. R… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/02/21 12:51 PM |
| 5 | I'm just gonna say it. I think we should organize and mobilize as real men's rights advocates. I'll explainI have no interest in being an MRA. I'm MGTOW, which is very different. I just explained that. I wish MRAs the best, but I have no interest in doing it. You want to revoke women's right to vote? Heh, good luck with that one. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/02/21 01:24 AM |
| 3 | What are your hobbies other than video games?Blogging Reading (non-fiction and fiction) Bicycling (very casual) | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/02/21 10:43 PM |
| 11 | I'm just gonna say it. I think we should organize and mobilize as real men's rights advocates. I'll explainNope. Do you know how MGTOW began? It began when a subset of MRA got sick and tired of being MRAs, and they said fuck this, I'm out. They were done with it -- done with trying change the system, done with trying to "organize and mobilize for men's rights." They turned their backs and walked away. That's MGTOW. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/02/21 10:40 PM |
| 2 | How to stop thinking about "love"?I'd say a couple things. First, it's natural to be stuck on the hope of love. Our biology demands it, our culture reinforces it from every angle. So that's entirely normal/expectable -- to be caught in the grip of hoping for the idealistic version of romantic love. Second, it can help to deprogram yourself about this by reading or viewing Youtube content that focuses specifically on it. Rollo Tomassi's The Rational Male has been mentioned several times, and I'd echo that. The basic idea is that … | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/02/21 12:01 PM |
| 2 | Anyone got any recipes for bachelors they'd love to share?I'll consider that. Does it require anything more than a skillet and a thermometer? | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/02/21 11:44 AM |
| 1 | Aaron Clarey's The Numbers BookYeah, good point. When I've told women that I avoid marriage in part because I don't want to lose half my stuff if we divorce, the response is often that I should just find a woman who makes as much as I do. Even if I did, that's not a guarantee that I still wouldn't end up paying for most of the relationship and get soaked in a divorce. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/02/21 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Ideas to improve this subThat's a good, thoughtful list of topic ideas, thank you. I appreciate people who point to solutions rather than just complain. Of course, doing that stuff requires more effort than just complaining about women, so they will be less popular. Still, I hope it generates some good threads. Here's my favorite on the list: Links to high-effort, useful or interesting mgtow videos, blogs, and other resources. For example, Colttaine's Bitchute channel. Particularly with social media groups censoring MGT… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Gaming news siteIf you don't get answers here, I'd suggest posting your question on GAF. They'll be able to point you to news/reviews sites that aren't woke. They will know. I don't know of any, personally. I'm sure they're out there, but I've lost confidence in games journalism, so I just don't follow news sites anymore. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 11:40 PM |
| 1 | New mgtow channel: The Logical ManWill do. I always appreciate it when people bring new MGTOW channels to our attention. They are not easy to find. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 08:13 PM |
| 5 | What's the biggest bullet you've ever dodged?After I divorced, I had unprotected sex with my ex-wife once, "for old time's sake." Immediately afterwards, I started sweating about the possibility that I got her pregnant. It was a completely stupid move on my part, to have unprotected sex with her. Just dumb. Fortunately, she did not get pregnant. But if she had, and if she had elected to keep the baby, that could've fucked my life up royally for the next 18-21 years. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 08:10 PM |
| 4 | Gaming news siteGAF (or Neogaf) isn't a news site per se, although people discuss gaming news there. I'm a member and enjoy it. It's kind of a free-for-all, similar to how a lot of gaming forums used to be. It heavily values freedom of speech and has very light moderation and good transparency. Politically, it leans conservative and libertarian, although you'll find plenty of liberals and democrats there, too. A surprisingly large percentage of the crowd is red pilled with regard to women. I'd recommend you che… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 08:05 PM |
| 7 | Anyone got any recipes for bachelors they'd love to share?Buy steak Cook steak Eat steak | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 07:57 PM |
| 6 | How do you remove the need for human touch?Get a dog. I don't mean that flippantly. I mean it seriously. The desire for touch does not need to be met by a human. It can be met by animals. As long as you are getting/exchanging warm, affectionate touch, it doesn't matter whether it's a human or an animal. p.s. Oh, sorry, I responded before I noticed this part of your post: I don't have any pets. I don't really want any. I tried ant keeping but I got bored. I grew up with pets and they just seem like a responsibility that I don't want to ha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 07:48 PM |
| 14 | Is being a "player" mgtow?No, I think that's more of a PUA type. MGTOW don't put that much attention on chasing women. While players may be indifferent to women on the individual level, taken as a whole, they spend a lot of their time, energy, and attention pursuing women. That's not MGTOW. You can be a MGTOW and occasionally pump and dump, but if you're a "player" and acting out that lifestyle, you're not MGTOW. You're putting too much of your eggs into the p-sleeve basket. You can be MGTOW and see hookers occasionally.… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 07:44 PM |
| 2 | Personal responsibility differentiates Incels from MGTOW men----> Agree OR DisagreeThis is correct, though I'd rephrase slightly. Incels base their self-esteem (or lack of it) on female validation (or lack of it). They put a high priority and focus on obtaining (or moaning about the lack of) female validation. MGTOW do none of that. Their self-esteem is internally grounded -- or at least, it resides in different externals than female validation (e.g., monetary wealth, success, achievement). They put a low priority or none at all on trying to obtain female validation. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 07:37 PM |
| 1 | Aaron Clarey's The Numbers BookI've read "Curse of the High IQ," which I did not like. He is an economist, and he is good when he sticks to that subject, as he does in "The Book of Numbers." However, in "Curse of the High IQ," he delves into areas like psychology, personality, and interpersonal dynamics, where he doesn't know nearly as much. He's out of his depth, and it shows. He conflates so many ideas and overlooks so many variables, none of what he says in that book is worth a damn (at least in my opinion). Unfortunately,… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Aaron Clarey's The Numbers BookYes, he gives a variety of sources. You'll have to get the book to see how he calculates it. It's a bit too involved for me to try to relate here. Note, these are all just average costs -- average cost of divorce, for an average guy, making an average income, etc. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/02/21 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Paul Gauguin-French MGTOWDidn't he spend the rest of his life painting women, though? Wouldn't that disqualify him for MGTOW status? Such a focus on women? | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/02/21 10:24 PM |
| 5 | Anyone else here never wanted kids?Yeah, I never wanted kids. It was a combination of three things: Experiencing a family and kids. I was one of four kids, and we had two unhappy parents and plenty of dysfunction. My experience of "family and kids" didn't make me feel like that was the way to go. Call it non-conformity? Everyone else was going in the same direction -- getting married and popping out kids. I felt like I was destined for something different. I would even put it in pseudo-religious terms: I felt called to do somethi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/02/21 10:20 PM |
| 1 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?I've read a lot about MGTOW origins, but I've never heard that version -- that it was a bunch of guys who were all monk and celibate. I don't think that's accurate. I've read and listened to half dozen accounts of MGTOW origins from various guys who were there from the beginning, and that just doesn't square. As I understand it, "MGTOW" began as moniker used to loosely describe a bunch of men who'd splintered off from MRA and similar groups, deciding they were done with trying to fight for chang… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/02/21 12:45 PM |
| 4 | Getting sick of seeing men being made the villains of society by women on social media.Yeah, I joined a book club recently -- wanted more social interaction during this lockdown -- and the first book (probably one of many) is a story of a woman who is sexually abused by two men within the first 40 pages. Other men in the story are domineering, distant, or sexist. Meanwhile, all the female characters are wonderful, brave, full of life, sensitive and sympathetic. It's kind of funny to count the bad men vs. the good women in the story. So far, it's about 80% bad men and 80% good wome… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/02/21 08:40 PM |
| 1 | The Modern Ascetic: Reject the Pareto CurveI think it would've been better to start with a description of the Pareto curve and explain how it applies, rather than assume everyone knows what you're talking about. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/02/21 08:30 PM |
| 2 | Girlfriends are not cheapYeah, that's true. The expectations rise. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/02/21 02:09 PM |
| 1 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?This need for female validation is a gynocentric world view in that one's reason for being ultimately revolves around the existence and acknowledgement of women. Yes, I agree with this. Men's purpose in life is supposedly to serve -- to sacrifice himself for the good of society, women, and children. That's built into our biology, but it's also gotten amplified by the gynocentrism of modern society. Man as worker bee and utility, man as provider and wallet. We're on the same page here. When I s… | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/02/21 01:53 PM |
| 9 | This guy priorities is Damn StraightBut not PS5. You can pick up a used PS4 for $250, so that seems about right. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/02/21 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Question about MGTOWMGTOW is just about 1) being "red pilled" with regard to understanding women and relationships, and 2) avoiding marriage, cohabitation, and getting a woman pregnant. It encourages men to understand the risks of relationships and to focus on protecting and serving themselves, rather than (as they've been conditioned) to chase female validation and serve women and society. As far as "partnering up" with a woman who treats you well, that's fine, but be extremely careful about getting married. There… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Girlfriends are not cheapI once tried to estimate the cost of a girlfriend, and I came up with around $6,000/year. That included regular dates, gifts (birthday, V-Day, anniversary, holidays, special), plus the occasional vacation. That's assuming no marriage and no pregnancy, of course. Those are the big-ticket items, as we all know. But even having a girlfriend is a considerable expense. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 10:38 PM |
| 6 | Some advice for the younger men.I'm sorry to hear about the situation with your parents. Fortunately, my parents both were able to take care of themselves and died suddenly, so I was not drawn into trying to support them through a long illness. I know that can be rough. But getting older has been good for me. I grant you that between 35 and 50, I had a lot of rocky days or weeks, plenty of face plants and episodes of high stress. It wasn't all roses, that's for sure. But post-50, things really took a turn for the better. I'm h… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 07:38 PM |
| 2 | "Get Married!" - my mother I need some advice guys, and I'm open minded so if want to harsh about it, feel free Ok. I don't feel any need to be harsh, but I'll give you my advice. For context, I'm 59, retired professional, divorced about 20 years ago after a brief marriage (nothing terrible, just didn't fit), and I've been basically monk for 13 years. This will sound odd, but the first thing I'd suggest is just to try to understand where your mom is coming from, rather than doing battle with her. Why? First, because you… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 05:41 PM |
| 1 | Life as MGTOWI do get scared sometimes thinking about it that life as MGTOW is too good to be true and that I might be missing something .....do you all get the same feeling as well ? Not the first part but the second ("that I might be missing something"), although not "scared," just concerned. Not in the sense of FOMO, but a more general concern about missing some part of the puzzle that is life: Is there something I overlooked? Something that, if I just keep doing what I'm doing, could go badly astray? T… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 05:28 PM |
| 4 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?I see the essential difference between MGTOW and RP as the attitude toward female validation. This is a point Sandman made, so I'll credit him. The thing that distinguishes MGTOW from other groups (MRA, Red Pill, PUA, incels) is that we are the only group that turns away from female validation -- we say, "I'm not interested in seeking that; that doesn't matter to me, I've got other things I'd rather do." Note, that doesn't mean MGTOW men completely "forsake all relations with women," as you put … | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 01:56 PM |
| 12 | Some advice for the younger men.? Why does the clock run out at 30 or 35? Granted, it's not a good plan to sit around watching TV or being on your smartphone all day, when you're in your 20s (or any age). You do need to be making plans and forward progress, not just sitting on your ass. I don't think that's what the OP was advocating, though. I'm guessing you're just talking about the area of career. Personally, I was sort of a late bloomer in that regard. I spent a good portion of my youth bumping around, exploring things tha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 01:43 PM |
| 15 | Some advice for the younger men.Dont be so hard on yourself. Right. I'm 59. I talked to a lot of people in distress, as a part of my career. One of the most common problems was that the people were just too hard on themselves. They loaded themselves down with expectations. They had these idealized images of who they should be and where they should be in life. "The tyranny of the shoulds," they call it. To me, a big part of mental health is identifying and throwing that stuff off, then trying to excavate who you really are and … | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/02/21 01:29 PM |
| 7 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?You have to start with avoiding marriage and cohab, because that's where MGTOW itself started. We can debate what else to add (I'd add "avoid getting a woman pregnant"), but those are the fundamentals every MGTOW should agree on. p.s. I don't think you can dodge all forms of social control. You have to obey traffic laws and wear pants in public, for instance. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?Yup, that is correct, and that is the common understanding across most MGTOW communities/channels. The only thing I'd add is, don't get a woman pregnant. That can screw your life up pretty badly (worse than the risk of cohabitation, often). | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 11:42 PM |
| 4 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?The only commonly agreed upon "rules" for MGTOW are 1) avoid marriage, and 2) avoid cohabitation. Beyond that, each man "goes his own way," quite literally -- meaning they each choose their own path, from a wide variety of options. Some engage in short-term relationships. Some "pump and dump." Some (though not many) engage in long-term relationships. Some are in "monk mode," meaning they avoid romantic-sexual relationships with women. Many men cycle between these modes, so that, for instance, th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 11:41 PM |
| 23 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?Why do you see women as being all the same, acting the same way and thinking the same way? Well, MGTOW isn't a monolithic structure. It's composed of lots of individuals, all of whom have their own ways of thinking. So be careful not to slip into what you are accusing MGTOW of (overgeneralizing about MGTOW, that is). But yes, it's true that many MGTOW men do make harsh, negative generalizations about women. Some of those generalizations are accurate, as generalizations (e.g., re. hypergamy, fa… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 07:47 PM |
| 33 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?To clarify, MGTOW doesn't mean you "live your life without being romantically or physically interacting with women." Even the subset of MGTOW called monk do not go that far. So you're starting off with a mischaracterization of what MGTOW is. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 07:32 PM |
| 8 | Hello, I’m a woman, I’m I allow to post a question here about the MGTOW culture?No, get out! Cooties! j/k. Of course you're allowed to post a question. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 07:30 PM |
| 3 | Gym is my lover and she will never betray me!Well why don't you marry it then? (say it in a Pee Wee Herman voice) | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 05:31 PM |
| 2 | This sub is part of the problem. It activley discourages traditional masculinity.I'm not clear on what you're complaining about. You use a lot of vague generalities in the OP. It would help if you'd be specific and clear. If your point is that MGTOW tends to be critical of traditional masculinity, then it would depend on what you mean by that. Do you mean stoicism, perseverance, hard work, or courage? No, MGTOW aren't critical of those things. Or do you mean men's traditional role as self-sacrificial offering, as plowhorse and wallet? Yeah, MGTOW are critical of those aspect… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Help I think a fellow MGTOW friend of mine has been brainwashedIt's hard to know for sure, but radical changes like that suggest to me he was never deeply red pilled/MGTOW in the first place. I'm guessing that he never really internalized the information, just repeated it because he heard it and it sounded right. He's probably doing the same thing now, with all these new positions. In a year or two, he may have changed again. Some people are like that. They blow with whatever way the wind takes them. They aren't all that rooted in their understanding or con… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 01:06 PM |
| 2 | A short storyBy the way guys, going down on a woman increases your chance of getting throat cancer. I don't have a link, but it was mentioned by Gregory at RPMH. It has something to do with genital warts. Beware, especially in this age of rampant STDs. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 12:45 PM |
| 1 | I think the end is near. We need to be careful.If we can't stand up to feminists, we deserve to get rolled over. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 12:56 AM |
| 1 | I think the end is near. We need to be careful.Right. Or, "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/02/21 12:55 AM |
| 1 | I think the end is near. We need to be careful.Yeah, I completely disagree. ... I still believe fighting for freedom is better then dying. As we say in italy: better one day as a lion, then 100 years as a sheep Yeah, it seemed to be a pessimistic, defeatist position: No one ever resists oppression, don't hope for that. So, might as well give up. Fuck that. Stand up for your freedoms. That's the lesson of history. Stand up for your freedoms or you will lose them. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/02/21 10:01 PM |
| 1 | I think the end is near. We need to be careful.I don't see your point. In all those cases, tyranny and authoritarianism was resisted. "The Americans had grown strong enough"... right, that's why they won. So? And if the North rose up to defeat slavery, so? Why does it matter who rose up? You didn't specifically say that the oppressed themselves had to do the rising up (although that is generally the case, historically). You mentioned WWII in your post but don't recognize the multiple counterexamples in WWII to your point. Those are just the … | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/02/21 09:57 PM |
| 1 | I think the end is near. We need to be careful.I think he's trying to say there's no point hoping for a backlash to this form of authoritarianism (cancel culture), because authoritarianism in general and slavery in particular has never produced a backlash. I'd disagree with that reading of history. History is full of backlash (resistance to) tyranny and oppression. The American Revolution, the French Revolution, the American Civil War (that one specifically about slavery), other civil wars, WWII, Scotland (think Braveheart), etc. The list of… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/02/21 12:36 PM |
| 5 | After 3 painful years i think i'm finally done with womenI think 19 is too young to be done with women. I know you've been battered around a lot by bad experiences. It's good to take a break from women and focus on yourself for a while. Just know that the tables will turn later. If you focus on improving yourself, you'll be able to attract women later in life -- if that's what you want. Just keep your options open, that's all I'm saying. If you're going to really turn away from women for good, it's better to do it from a position of strength than weak… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/02/21 12:23 PM |
| 16 | I don't understand why?Because you're showing signs of a guy who's on the rise, who will make something of himself. It's hypergamy in action. Women are drawn to men who show the qualities of success (or at least potential success). For women, men are "success objects" (Warren Farrell), and you're showing personality markers that are associated with success. That's the main thing. A second factor would be the challenge associated with someone that doesn't seem interested in them. Women like to feel as if they have "won… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/02/21 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Embracing MGTOW gives so much freedomNice! Good job, man. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/02/21 12:10 PM |
| 1 | Scientific Research exposed the immorality of natural feminine hypergamy.. but the fear of getting defunded was clearly an ever-present threat.Your reading comprehension skills aren't very well developed, either. I didn't ask you for a list of grievances. My question was rhetorical, but apparently you missed that. Goodbye and good luck. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Scientific Research exposed the immorality of natural feminine hypergamy.. but the fear of getting defunded was clearly an ever-present threat.Not worth my time. You are too angry and extreme in your views, I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about, and I think the chances of your listening/understanding to what I'm saying are approximately zero. Good luck with your "women are all sociopaths" theory. Women bad! | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 10:13 PM |
| 0 | Scientific Research exposed the immorality of natural feminine hypergamy.. but the fear of getting defunded was clearly an ever-present threat.How many replies have you made to my one post? Seven? Eight? I've lost track. You triggered much? Good lord. Yes, I'm a creeper from a feminist subreddit. lol. Get help. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 08:55 PM |
| 1 | Scientific Research exposed the immorality of natural feminine hypergamy.. but the fear of getting defunded was clearly an ever-present threat.Using a psychological term but not being interested in the definition. Ok. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 08:53 PM |
| 1 | Religious MGTOW?Thank you. I already have one, though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 01:57 PM |
| 4 | Religious MGTOW?I never really thought of Buddhism as a religion. To me, it seems more like a philosophy or even a psychology. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Religious MGTOW?I picked "Other," because while I believe in God and the afterlife, I wouldn't say I believe in the God of the Bible (although there's overlap). My beliefs come more from studying religious and spiritual writings, as well as the afterlife literature (NDEs, etc.) and intelligent design, combined with my own experiences. It's kind of a mish-mash, but I try to make sense of it all. Although I tried to fit myself into Christianity for a long time, ultimately I realized it was a round hole and I was … | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 01:54 PM |
| 1 | Are there any historical accounts from MGTOWs of societies declining due to feminization? Any MGTOW philosophers that wrote about it?There are some accounts of early MGTOW writers/organizers in the book by Paul Elam and Peter Wright called Going Your Own Way. I recall some discussion of 19th century bachelor organizations as well as a piece from a guy in the middle ages. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 01:50 PM |
| 3 | The AI Hive Mind that emasculates menI don't know. Seems like you're assuming this is all because social media has tipped beyond a "saturation point," and now people are behaving like insects. I don't think you can boil it down to an insect model. People are much more complicated than insects, and human society is a lot more complicated than a beehive. What is wrong with society? Why are fewer men having sexual relations with women? Why are men dropping out of society? Why are women becoming heavier and more aggressive? Those are… | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 01:48 PM |
| 2 | Scientific Research exposed the immorality of natural feminine hypergamy.. but the fear of getting defunded was clearly an ever-present threat.I wouldn't be surprised if some of the funding got rerouted for political purposes. However, I don't believe this: because of how it [sociopathy] is defined, it would in general apply to 99% of women. That's a little broad. It's hard to come up with solid estimates of sociopathy, for several reasons -- "sociopath" isn't a diagnostic category used by psychiatrists or psychologists; definitions vary; and it's hard to evaluate -- but if you take Antisocial PD as a close approximate (which is fair, … | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 01:30 PM |
| 2 | considering going non-sugarRight, activity level -- that's another factor I forgot to mention. If you're very active, then you can deal with more carbs without suffering the ill effects. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/02/21 10:36 AM |
| 1 | Trying to plot modern women’s hotness using trading terms. Tips?Yeah, where "the Wall" lies is arguable. For me, I'd say most women hit it between their late 30s and mid-40s. It coincides with the drop in fertility, and it precedes the final countdown to menopause. But other men will have other opinions. I know some guys say the Wall is late 20s. I think partly it depends on the age of the man making the judgment. Younger guys (say, guys in their late teens) will tend to think of women in their mid-30s as pretty damn old (and they are, compared to them). Whe… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/02/21 11:15 PM |
| 2 | considering going non-sugarYeah, orange juice is terrible. It's like confectionary (candy), but people think they're doing something healthy. The food industry has really done a number on people. As for the other point, yeah, I think carbohydrate tolerance varies, depending on a lot of factors. I don't demonize it or say "carbs are evil." I have done really well with a low-carb diet, though, and I trust my experience, and the experience of many others. But certainly, some people seem to do well with higher carb loads. I t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/02/21 11:04 PM |
| 2 | considering going non-sugarYeah, I have a neighbor who struggles with his addiction to Little Debbie treats. Back when I ate crap, I used to like the ... I think they were called "star crunch," the chewy chocolatey cookies with rice crisps. Nummy. I have a relative with diabetes and advanced fibrosis of the liver, who gets herself in trouble because she thinks of fruit as a healthy snack, and not only does fruit dump directly into the liver, but it perpetuates her sweet tooth. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/02/21 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Men over 30 who went MGTOWI'm 59, and I didn't go red pill/MGTOW until 2018, when I was 56. I should add, though, that I was essentially in monk mode, dedicated to happily living a single/unattached life, for at least 10 years before that. what took so long, and what was the final straw? Well, I didn't (couldn't) go red pill/MGTOW until I encountered the information, and I didn't encounter it until early 2018. There wasn't any "final straw" that made me go MGTOW. As I said, I was living a happily contented single life fo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/02/21 04:29 PM |
| 17 | considering going non-sugarGood idea. There are a number of good books on sugar and the damage it causes -- e.g., Gary Taubes, The Case Against Sugar. However, I'd caution you against believing this: The non-sugar thing means you throw out added sugar, that is, white sugar. The sugar that naturally is present in fruit doesn't count. Sugar is present in a wide variety of forms, not just white sugar, and it all has pretty much the same effect on the body, which is not good (if you read about metabolic syndrome, which is lin… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/02/21 04:22 PM |
| 2 | Anyone else experience this?I guess I should thank the quarantine period, because I have turned 180 degrees. That's great, man. I'm curious. If you don't mind sharing, what turned it around for you? I mean, it couldn't have just been the lockdown itself. You must've come across some red pill dispensers or something. What accounts for the 180 turnaround? | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/02/21 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Finally feels like things are going my way.Every since, I just decided to do my own thing. I quit trying to live according to the expectations that I thought I was supposed to live up to. I am now more likely to wear a Star Wars t-shirt than a collared shirt. There you go. That sounds great, man, congratulations on slipping the bonds of social programming and getting on the path of your own life -- the life, I dare say, that God meant you to live. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/02/21 03:44 PM |
| 7 | Why do simps and white knights persist despite the current explosion of backlash they are receiving on social media?It was more a voluntary swallowing. In early 2018, I encountered MGTOW and other manosphere content on Youtube. That was the beginning of the end of my white knighting and simping. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 09:22 PM |
| 3 | Another way of looking at GYOWRight, and even in action-adventure movies, the goal is often to rescue a woman, enact revenge for the death of a woman, or free a girl from the clutches of a bad man. It's an easy plot device, because it taps into male biology + programming and at the same time, reinforces women's sense of love, victimhood, and worth. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 05:01 PM |
| 2 | VHEMT and 5th Wave FeminismIt supports the end of human reproduction and the extinction of the human race. lol, well, that's quite a position. Not sure what to say to that, except, I hope the feminists go first. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 04:57 PM |
| 7 | Why is cohabitation a bad idea?I don't know enough about the legal complications to comment on that, but I'll say a bit about other angles. From a red pill perspective, moving in together reduces her sexual attraction to you, because now you are "captured," under the same roof. Tingles and drama are no longer generated by wondering if she can get and hold you. She knows she has you. Also, you trade away some of your privacy and freedom. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Self-investment problem.Whenever it comes to spending money on myself like for example, buying a new hardware for my PC, or new clothes, or new gym accessories, something blocks me from actually spending money on these things... I will always find an excuse for why I shouldn't buy something that I feel I need... I will always find an explanation and tell myself that I could I live without things I previously wanted... I have a similar "problem." I put "problem" in quotes, because I'm not sure it's a problem, or at leas… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 04:50 PM |
| 22 | Why do simps and white knights persist despite the current explosion of backlash they are receiving on social media?My question is this - what do you suppose motivates these guys? I can’t really accept that the majority them are delusional enough to believe they are scoring points with these women or that it makes them look tough or cool. They’re well aware that most guys will ridicule them, so why do they persist? I was a simp and an occasional white knight in the past. I can only speak for myself, but here is where I think the motivation was coming from: To get female validation -- to at least imagine tha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 04:29 PM |
| 3 | Trying to plot modern women’s hotness using trading terms. Tips?Oh, I see. Like, in the real estate market, if you are continuing to hold out for 300K on your house, when really it's only worth 200K. Thanks. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 01:16 PM |
| 5 | Any love for gay bro's here? I'm GMOWGlad you're learning from the community. I hope it's of help to you. There aren't any standards for admission, really -- gay, trans, whatever. So you're welcome. The focus of MGTOW, though (and you probably already know this) is men's heterosexual relationships with women and all the problems they bring. It's very much focused on female nature, feminism, and the downsides of relationships with women. Being bisexual, you may find that MGTOW only semi-resonates with you. On the other hand, MGTOW a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 01:11 PM |
| 9 | Any love for gay bro's here? I'm GMOWBut a lot of this stems from how man are treated in same sex relationships... You mean opposite sex relationships, not same sex. I assume this just was an oversight, but wanted to point it out. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 01:05 PM |
| 6 | Trying to plot modern women’s hotness using trading terms. Tips?Interesting. The vertical axis is a little confusing. Is it self-perceived hotness or actual hotness as perceived by men? Seems to be a mix of both. A few minor quibbles: 1) I'd shift the "wall" to the late 30s rather than early 30s, 2) I don't think many women reject 9's, and 3) I'd substitute "riding the CC" for "pump and dump," because the latter is more a description of men's behavior. Btw, what does "holding the bag" mean in this context? I've heard the term several times, but I don't under… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 01:01 PM |
| 4 | I hate this narrative that "Good Man don't hit woman"And it depends on having a witness, as you did. A video recording of the event would be even better. But if it's just your word against hers, you're fucked. At least in most Western countries. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 12:50 PM |
| 3 | I hate this narrative that "Good Man don't hit woman"Yeah, it's a no-win situation. If you lash back, you're setting yourself up for jail time. If you don't, you're viewed as weak. Best to just gtfo. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 12:48 PM |
| 3 | Time will tell!Oh, Cruise has had plastic surgery? I didn't know that. I'm not too surprised -- it's Hollywood, after all. But that does make his "lack of aging" less impressive. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 12:46 PM |
| 0 | Time will tell!Haha, holy shit, that is a stark difference. That's really the same woman? Good lord. She looks like his mother. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 12:44 PM |
| 2 | Keep The Knowledge To Yourself. Important Reminder.They'll fire you for offending someone on social media? That's pretty crazy. Otoh, I never interacted with anyone I worked with on social media. That seemed like mixing two worlds that shouldn't go together. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 01:23 AM |
| 1 | A Christian MGTOW :)I don't think you understand MGTOW very well, if you think it's compatible with marriage. You might be able to combine red pill and marriage, but not MGTOW and marriage. That's oil and water. MGTOW is specifically and adamantly against marriage. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Keep The Knowledge To Yourself. Important Reminder.Ok, but but "act like them" and "act like you believe in their ideologies" means to fake yourself. I'm not going to do that. To me, that seems like a betrayal of my own integrity. "Nothing is at last sacred except the integrity of your own mind" (Emerson), so I'm not going to start pretending I believe something I don't, just so I can stay under the radar. I don't care enough about their opinion to do that to myself. I agree with the idea of keeping your mouth shut when you don't see the point o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 01:18 AM |
| 5 | A Christian MGTOW :)"To be honest it feels like people think being religious is “mainstream” so their gonna be atheist." If anything, atheism is mainstream, and it's the genuinely thoughtful religious people who are counter-cultural. I have to add "genuinely thoughtful" because, let's face it, 90% of religious people are just going along with the authorities tell them; they don't exercise critical thinking about their own beliefs. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 12:08 AM |
| 2 | A Christian MGTOW :)Have you heard of Happy Humble Hermit and Red Pill Men's Health? If not, you might check out their Youtube channels. Both are Christian and MGTOW. One man said if he had followed the MGTOW, he would not have gotten married after his first wife cheated on him. However, he clearly did not understand it because, he actually went HIS OWN WAY, just as the MGTOW stands for. I'm not sure about that. MGTOW doesn't have many rules, but one of its main tenets is don't get married. So what the man is s… | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 12:04 AM |
| 2 | The Truth About Being A Girl (Cringe)I've seen that video before, the girl doing that "poem." It was really hard to sit through. I don't want to sit through it a second time. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/02/21 12:00 AM |
| 1 | How is it that so many women somehow end up with abusive guys when most guys are not abusive?I think it's a combination of factors: Women have been trained to view themselves as victims of men. The training has been going on for decades and comes from all angles -- movies, news media, books, talk shows, etc. If you're a victim, then you are absolved from looking at your own role in the problem. It's a way of deflecting responsibility, an easy out. The tendency to blame men, especially in this "men bad" culture, is very strong. The definition of "abuse" has expanded exponentially in the … | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/02/21 11:49 PM |
| 4 | Keep The Knowledge To Yourself. Important Reminder.Act like them. Act like you believe in their ideologies. No, don't do that. Avoid pointless arguments, sure, but don't fake who you are. Don't pretend some role, especially the role of a blue pill conformist. That's just cowering in fear of their disapproval. Don't give them that much power over you. Be yourself. That doesn't mean getting into arguments with everyone -- choose your battles wisely. But sometimes, it's fun and energizing to tell the "rude truth," just as you see it, and let the ch… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/02/21 11:32 PM |
| 2 | Any advice about opening a friend's eyes?Do they want the help ? That's the key question. He doesn't want help. He isn't going to be interested in help. He isn't motivated to receive help. Don't force "help" on someone who isn't asking for it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/02/21 08:42 PM |
| 8 | Any advice about opening a friend's eyes?Try not to be an evangelist about it, just do your thing and be happy doing it. Right. It's like the old AA principle of "attraction rather than promotion." Don't focus on trying to persuade him he's wrong and you're right. That just backfires. I think the best thing you can do is just be an example of a man who is happy, content, and at peace without chasing women. And be there for him when he gets into a mess. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/02/21 08:35 PM |
| 4 | Isn't this the basic principle of MGTOW? TwoX:It's better to be happy by yourself than miserable with someone elseNo, I don't think so. That's just a truism, an obvious statement. Of course it's better to be happy solo than miserable in a couple. Who would argue with that? That's not the "basic principle" of MGTOW, though. If it were, MGTOW wouldn't be controversial at all. People may differ a little on this, but I'd say the basic principles of MGTOW are: - On a behavioral level, avoid marriage, cohabitation, and pregnancy, because those things can entangle you with the court system and ruin your life. - On… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/02/21 08:32 PM |
| 2 | If you want to truly get over women, end the jealousy towards other men who have had 30 partners, perfect 10s, threesomes, and whatever else you wanted. You mustn't care about this and if anything, they wasted their lives chasing tail.Monkey simpanzee, as the Coach calls them... | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/02/21 10:57 PM |
| 1 | ADVICEI didn't read your whole post, so sorry if I missed anything, but what jumped out at me right away is, you're projecting your own standards on to your dad then getting angry and contemptuous that he isn't behaving the way you would. For example, you say you can't imagine dating a single mother or even a woman who'd slept with more than one or two guys. Then you get mad and judgy at your dad, because he chose a woman who wasn't like that (she had a kid from a previous relationship). First, he's f… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/02/21 07:32 PM |
| 5 | Help me out brosTry to extend kindness and understanding to yourself. It's a common observation, but we usually are pretty good at being compassionate to other people (our friends, for example), but we are not so good at extending it to ourselves. It might help to think about what you'd say to a friend of yours who'd made these mistakes. Would you think they were weak and a loser? Or would you help them to understand that it's just a mistake, everyone makes mistakes, as long as you're learning, that's the main … | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/02/21 07:23 PM |
| 4 | Why I don’t care I’m single this valentines.I'm glad I'm single this Valentine's Day (and every day). Trading my peace, quiet, and freedom for the burdens and responsibilities of a relationship? No thanks. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/02/21 07:13 PM |
| 2 | Reading "The Handmaid's Tale"I see. Sounds like you're reading it through a red/black pill lens. It's different than what the author probably intended, but it's legitimate. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/02/21 06:56 PM |
| 4 | Coach Greg AdamsYeah, I've watched Coach Greg for a long time now. Here are the pros and cons, as I see it. Positives: - He has a great ability to just spontaneously talk, without relying on articles or scripts. He could probably be a radio talk show personality, ala Tom Leykis. - Good sense of humor. When he does the "good boy" pat on the head, it always cracks me up. Some of the other stuff he comes up with is pretty funny, too. "Busted Pillsbury biscuit can" and some others. Injecting some laughs into this a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/02/21 03:24 PM |
| 3 | Coach Greg AdamsI think you're doing it right. Dancing around the censors/algorithms is the smart way to succeed, and you've been a great example of how it can be done, without losing the message. I'm surprised that other guys aren't trying to follow your example. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/02/21 02:53 PM |
| 1 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.I never said #1. If that's what you think I think, you're misunderstanding my position and the point of the OP. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 11:29 PM |
| 2 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.be that way, then. ;p | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Reading "The Handmaid's Tale"Are you sure you're interpreting it correctly? This is from the wikipedia entry: "The novel explores themes of subjugated women in a patriarchal society and the various means by which they resist and attempt to gain individuality and independence." Also, " The Handmaid’s Tale is a feminist dystopian novel.. with the feminist utopian ideal which: "sees men or masculine systems as the major cause of social and political problems..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:38 PM |
| 2 | How to deal with the people giving shit to you, just bcoz may be jealous, feeling bad, or judge you to be weak, harmless or innocent.Ignoring them is usually best. Or, if you can manage, make a wry, sarcastic remark. The main thing is to show that they didn't "get to" you, they didn't push your buttons. If you can do that, you've won. "He who cares the least wins," as Joker says. When you insult them, abuse them, or hit them, you're just showing that you've been triggered by their remarks. You've shown that they have "gotten to you," that their insults have hit a nerve. Instead, demonstrate that their insults mean nothing to … | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:34 PM |
| 1 | It's Valentine's day which also corresponds with my birthday, now I'm 27. I'm sad because pandemic has set my wealth growth targets behind the intended targets.Sounds like you're doing the right things, financially. I would counsel you to remember that you're an intern, and intern pay always sucks, because part of what you're getting is non-monetary compensation via training and job experience. That's going to pay off for you later. I'd also suggest not projecting yourself 3 years into the future and predicting what you'll be feeling about yourself then. You can't foretell the future, and you can't read your future self's mind. I'd also suggest not set… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion but...I would probably do the same, if I were in your situation. I would feel guilty, but there's no way I'd want to be strapped to a woman/kid for 18+ years. However, my main feeling would be anxiety -- I'd be worried that the woman would sue for child support. She can, you know. It depends on laws in your state, but in general, child support law is heavily stacked in favor of extracting child support from any man they can get their hands on. You sound new to MGTOW/red pill, so I'd strongly encourage… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:25 PM |
| 17 | What did you do to change?I realized the high cost in self-esteem and self-respect that I was paying, for being such a wimp. That motivated me to stand up for myself. I read some books on assertiveness. That helped a bit, gave me some cheap coaching. I worked on my social anxiety. Turns out, my social anxiety and shame were an underlying factor in a lot of my overly accommodating, people-pleasing behavior. I made sure to do things that I was afraid of, like stand up for myself, speak up, express my feelings, express my o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:10 PM |
| 16 | Every man is "abusive" or "toxic"Back in the day, I used to feel excited to hear this from a woman, because it meant I could prove to her how different I was -- how considerate, how empathic, how respectful and mature. What a simp I was, lol. It took me a while to figure out that women are trained to think of themselves as victims of abusive men, and further, that if anyone presents themselves as a victim, it's a huge red flag. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.The women would probably be dead by the time the men got there. Did you ever see the Think Before You Sleep video on that? I'll see if I can find a link... Here it is. Pretty good, if you haven't seen it. https://youtu.be/NzCO0G8AGLU | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 08:00 PM |
| 2 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.Maybe so. All that romantic-sexual drive has to go somewhere. I mean, look at the romance novel industry, which is, I believe, the most lucrative part of the book industry. It's just novel after novel about how some ordinary woman wins the heart of a rich, handsome stud. It's almost comical how repetitive the themes are. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.Yes, women are attracted to a small minority of men. That's just another of saying that, for the vast majority of pairings, women are much less attracted to men than men are to women. Same idea, just restated. You're just focused on the minority cases, whereas I'm focused on the majority. Also, it goes far beyond "insecure, out-of-shape Trekkies." It applies to the vast majority of men, including those who are well-above average. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 07:54 PM |
| 3 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.Coltaine makes the point that even if you take the "spoiled" out of the equation, that woman would still feel like she was settling. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 01:52 PM |
| 2 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.Thanks, I'll check it out. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 01:51 PM |
| 0 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.Well, we're talking averages or generalizations here -- statements that apply to most men and most women. I agree there is a minority of cases where women's attraction equals men's, but they are outlier cases, not representative of the experience of the vast majority. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 01:50 PM |
| 2 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.I'll rephrase: "Women complain about men far more often, and with less pushback, than men complain about women." | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 01:44 PM |
| 2 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.Yes, I've seen that one. Excellent video. I've used his strategy to analyze the probability of finding a good female match in my area. I think the odds came out to something like 1 in 100,000. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 01:38 PM |
| 1 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.Thanks. I knew many of these facts before, but they were surrounded by questions (is it hypergamy? is it just about looks? is it the result of dating apps? modern society? etc.). Coltaine's video helped congeal it into a simple proposition: women just don't like men (i.e., don't find them as desirable) as much as men like women. It's just biology. It's the way things are and the way they've always been. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 01:36 PM |
| 3 | Women don't like men as much as men like women.lol, that's hilarious. "Some stupid work stuff." | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/02/21 01:22 PM |
| 3 | Even thai girls are horrible in 2021I see. So that must mean all similar "paradises" have been ruined -- since the smartphone has penetrated just about every market. Maybe MGTOW guys will start looking for unspoiled women in the jungle, in primitive tribes, somewhere the smartphone hasn't reached. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Even thai girls are horrible in 2021Very rapid decline. Do you have any ideas why? Is it the sudden incursion of all the Western guys, flooding the market and inflating their egos? What happened? | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Even thai girls are horrible in 2021Good insights, thank you for saying that. It makes perfect sense. They treat the local guys like chumps, and they sucker the tourists by acting "nice" for money. No surprise there. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 07:20 PM |
| 3 | Would any of you buy actual AI lover bots when they become indistinguishable from humans?I don't think so. I imagine the cost for something like that would be quite high, compared to its benefits in my life. Currently, I can take care of my sexual needs with 10 minutes of porn, once a week. I see a sexbot as more trouble than they're worth -- lugging that thing around, stuffing it under the bed after each encounter, cleaning out its vagina and other orifices. Too much trouble. I'll just stick to old fashioned whacking off, thanks. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Even thai girls are horrible in 2021Wow. That was a fast decline. Yeah, Thailand used to be one of those places guys would talk about going to, to escape Western women, feel like Chad for a day, and find a pretty young woman who'd be nice to them. Sounds like things have really taken a nose-dive, fast. | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 12:06 PM |
| 1 | DAE want to be a hermit?Sounds like you've had some bad experiences with people. I can see why you'd want to pull back and just be by yourself for a while. It does have its advantages: You can avoid all the frustration, heartache, and toxicity of other people. You can focus on yourself -- on taking care of yourself, building up your own inner life and internal resources. You can put your time to better use. Rather than spending time and attention on social interactions that just leave you depleted, you can follow your … | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 12:04 PM |
| 1 | How do you deal with stopping yourself from going into a relationship with just “anyone” because you are feeling immensely lonely?Yes, that's true, although I think everyone inherently enjoys a boost to their ego. You don't have to lack self-esteem to enjoy an ego-boost. This sort of thing -- appealing to people's egos -- is present in many other popular-level personality type systems. Meyers-Briggs (MBTI) is a good example. It's one of the most popular and successful personality type systems in the world, used throughout the corporate world and in counseling practices for decades. It has very little scientific support, bu… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 11:41 AM |
| 3 | What do you think about havin' female friends??Yup. I sometimes say it to myself like this: "If you provide no utility for a woman, she will have no use for you." It's a bit cynical, but it seems to hold true. I have trouble with this idea, sometimes, though, because I can easily see it applying to myself as well. I don't enter relationships without concern for what I'm getting in return, either. I'm not selflessly altruistic. If a person (woman or man) isn't providing something to me -- e.g., intellectual stimulation, cameraderie, support, … | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/02/21 11:28 AM |
| 2 | Weekly MGTOW DiscussionYes, I know. I've shared pieces of it in the past. Sharing the whole thing would be too much; it's too damn long, and people wouldn't have the time or inclination to read it all. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Why do men think we are superior to women when we’ve always been out manipulated by women throughout time?Well, that's to your credit. I've talked with you before, and you're a reasonable fellow. I think we just don't see eye-to-eye on this one. No biggie. Take it easy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 02:32 PM |
| 3 | Weekly MGTOW DiscussionNo amount of alcohol is really healthy. Experts used to say that having a glass or two of wine was good for you, but they don't do that anymore. You're asking about "safe," though, not healthy. I'm not sure what your criteria for "safe" are, though, so it's hard to answer. Does "safe" mean "not very dangerous"? Or does it mean "no danger whatsoever"? If the former, then a shot or two is probably not too dangerous. However, I agree with the fellow who said daily drinking is probably not good (bec… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 01:31 PM |
| 3 | Weekly MGTOW DiscussionI re-did my list of pro/con analysis of LTRs a couple days ago. It took me a while, since I had a lot of information to integrate. It's a very long document now. I like to re-read it every now and then, just to remind me of angles I've forgotten. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 01:27 PM |
| 1 | Why do men think we are superior to women when we’ve always been out manipulated by women throughout time?I'll grant you that civilization would be in trouble more quickly/immediately if we removed men. In either case, though, it's doomed, so I don't see the timeline as meaning men are indispensable/superior while women aren't. The end result is still the same in either case. It's even arguable -- although I won't try, since this is so theoretical -- that it's easier to overcome a civilizational collapse (from the loss of men) than it is to "find a solution" to the problem of having no gender who ca… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 01:05 PM |
| 2 | The most terrifying horror film ideaWell, maybe if you played it right, you could become King, with all women competing for your magic sperm. They'd court your favor, rather than rape you. Women aren't really inclined or able to rape -- not the way men are -- and they love the conquest, "winning over" someone, especially the ultimate Chad, which is what you'd be, with an SMV off the charts. I think I remember a Star Trek episode similar to this, where Kirk was on an all-female planet. Naturally, he was trying to get it on with the… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 12:49 PM |
| 2 | The most terrifying horror film ideaNo more hypergamy, though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 05:22 AM |
| 9 | AdviceSure. You can do anything you want. MGTOW just means avoid marriage, cohabitation, and getting a girl pregnant. Other than that, it's choose your own adventure. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Old (civil) interesting discussion with a male feminist and a MGTOWHow do you see the Cock Carusell and do you think to associate yourself with MGTOW philosophy, do you have to like that term or have to think that it's bad for women to be promiscuous? It depends what you're looking for. Even if you take marriage and cohabitation completely off the table (which it is for any MGTOW), you still have the possibility of short or long-term relationships. Remember that some MGTOW still have short or even long-term relationships with women; they just don't marry or coh… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/02/21 12:58 AM |
| 0 | Why do men think we are superior to women when we’ve always been out manipulated by women throughout time?No, women are designed and inclined -- meant, you might say -- to bear and raise children (note, I am not saying merely "procreation," as if an egg and sperm were all that was involved; I am saying bear and raise children). For millions of years, bearing and raising children -- an enterprise that is very time and resource-intensive, and which requires particular skills and temperament -- has been women's biological function and socio-cultural specialty. We shouldn't pretend that men are superior… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/02/21 11:24 PM |
| 1 | Single Moms, my history with them.I think there are a lot of good single moms out there who try their best. Well, maybe not "a lot," but there are some. I'm glad you had such a mother yourself. You're more fortunate than a lot of guys. I can't really speak to the issue of being raised by a single mother. I can say a little about dating and marrying one. That didn't work out well at all for me. She was very kind, respectful, and affectionate before the marriage, but once we were married, she changed. The ol' "bait and switch," th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/02/21 06:04 PM |
| 1 | Why do men think we are superior to women when we’ve always been out manipulated by women throughout time?That's not an accurate analysis. I like Joker, but you can't take procreation and child-rearing out of the equation like that and pretend you're doing a fair, objective analysis. Here's a more accurate version: Remove women: we perish as a species. Women give birth to children and then provide care/nurturance for those children during the unusually long period of human dependency and child development. Without women, our species is done, period. Remove men: we perish as a species, first because … | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/02/21 02:50 PM |
| 3 | How do you deal with stopping yourself from going into a relationship with just “anyone” because you are feeling immensely lonely?You're describing a lot of normal things -- fear of rejection, desire to work on yourself but also have relationships, wanting love and affection, not wanting to just be used, wanting to avoid unhealthy relationships, fomo, etc. All that is pretty normal. I'll tell you what I did (answering the title question). I worked on myself and tried to learn about what a healthy vs. unhealthy relationship was. That is, I tried to prepare myself to spot dysfunction in myself and others, and simply to recog… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/02/21 02:41 PM |
| 8 | How do you deal with stopping yourself from going into a relationship with just “anyone” because you are feeling immensely lonely?Just beware, the descriptions you'll find will be overly flattering. Of course people want to identify as sigma males, because it's very ego-boosting to think of yourself in such admirable terms. Because the descriptions of sigma are so self-flattering, I view it skeptically. No realistic description of a personality type should ever be so one-sided. I've studied human personality for decades. Imo, it's simplistic and reductionistic to try to type men into categories like alpha, beta, sigma, and… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/02/21 02:32 PM |
| 1 | The Pussy was Good: How I ended up dating a woman, her kid, and her ex-husband.Thanks for sharing. "There is no drug more powerful than a beautiful woman," as Warren Farrell says. I'm old now (59), so the hormones and neurochemistry don't dominate my thinking anymore. I hope the moral of the story is clear to the young guys: don't let your dick do your thinking for you. And stay the hell away from any single mother who is still involved with an ex-husband who has this sort of profile (history of abuse, etc.). | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/02/21 02:25 PM |
| 13 | Why do men think we are superior to women when we’ve always been out manipulated by women throughout time?I don't think men are superior to women. I think men are better at some things than women are (on average), and women are better than men at some things (on average). Both genders have strengths and weaknesses. Anyone who tries to claim one gender is inherently "superior" to the other -- not in a specific sense, but overall/generally -- is basically dealing in sexism. That's what feminism is, or rather has become: the doctrine that one gender (female) is superior, and the other (male) is inferio… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/02/21 01:07 AM |
| 1 | Sirach 25:19-26 Wisdom from the bible/ancientsYeah, some of that does sound a bit extreme (e.g., blaming all "sin" and death on women). I did like this however: A talkative wife for a quiet husband is like a sand dune beneath the feet of an elderly person | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/02/21 07:31 PM |
| 4 | can yall give me some reasons to keep going on?Sure. Learning and growth. As long as I'm headed in the right direction, that's what matters. It's not how fast I'm going, or even where I'm at right now, it's just that I'm headed in the right direction and have some sense that I'm making progress, however slow and halting. In my opinion, that's what we're here on Earth for -- to learn and grow and become better/stronger/wiser. As long as we're headed in that direction, we're doing good. Little moments of pleasure. Hanging out with my dog. Look… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/02/21 07:27 PM |
| 11 | What do you think about havin' female friends??I tried, but I found it unworkable. Main reasons: Friendship requires mutual interests, or there's nothing for the friendship to be about. Men and women have very different interests. It's hard to find overlap. Most of the stuff women are interested in, I have no interest in. Likewise, most of the stuff I'm interested in, they have no real interest in. So grounds for friendship is difficult to find. Granted, I'm an odd bird, so finding mutual overlap with men is hard enough, much less with women… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/02/21 07:04 PM |
| 4 | I had a reality check while going down the MGTOW.My opinion, take it fwiw, is that just working harder at a job you don't find meaningful isn't going to produce a sense of meaning. It might make you feel more engaged and interested, but it's not going to produce a sense of living a meaningful life. If you don't find your job meaningful, maybe you should investigate what sort of work you would find meaningful. I know economic insecurity needs to be taken into account -- I don't mean to minimize the risks of career change -- but if you're not fi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/02/21 01:36 PM |
| 3 | Are non materialistic women still a thing? Have they ever been a thing?Well, let's do some probability estimates. I grant you that these are just my estimates, which I tried to keep conservative; feel free to substitute your own, if you think I'm being too generous. Chance of a non-materialistic woman: maybe 1 out of 20. (Note, by "materialistic," I don't mean gold-digger or someone who's only interested in money -- I mean a woman whose thinking aligns with normal consumer culture and/or who judges men based on their ability to be a financial provider.) Chance of a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/02/21 01:26 PM |
| 2 | What happened to r/MGTOW? Why are we in r/MGTOW2?There's a whole thread around here somewhere about the problems at the original subreddit. In a nutshell, it's become a place where the dogma is "Women bad, men good," and no breach of that dogma is allowed. It's a very negative place, with lots of angry incel types. You get banned if you express moderate or even just sensible views that don't go along with the "Women bad" narrative. The thread I mentioned is filled with stories like that. It used to be stickied, although I'm not sure it is anym… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/02/21 07:53 PM |
| 3 | Giving Up On Women Forever An Bad Thing?What would be the consequences of this long term? For example, I'm just worried about the type of impact it may have on me at an early young age and how it'll affect my social development/cognitive development. Yeah, there will be pretty significant negative consequences. It's good you asked, because you need to consider them. The main downside is that you'll lack real-world experience with women and romantic-sexual relationships. As a result: You will have difficulty relating to women general… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/02/21 07:46 PM |
| 4 | Someone please Enlighten me why I am getting downvote!!Because you're dealing with feminists. Because they believe ideas like the ones expressed by the woman below you. She is confused about the research, misinterprets it, but pushes it forth confidently as truth. You can bet these "truths" have been circulated among the group for many years and are accepted as established fact. You are trying to introduce another perspective, which although factual, is highly dissonant to their entrenched beliefs about reality. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/02/21 07:14 PM |
| 2 | Not sure if I’ll ever become a “real man”I was a shy, anxious, nerdy, socially awkward kid at 19 (angry, too). Now, at 59, I'm not shy, rarely anxious (a little anxiety is good), am still nerdy but I like that about me, and am fairly socially skilled, though occasionally still awkward at times in new situations. What I'm trying to say is, hang in there, it gets better (though not perfect), particularly if you persist in working at it. I'd recommend David Burns' work on social anxiety. He has podcasts, including many on social anxiety. … | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/02/21 01:35 PM |
| 54 | Anyone here pursuing monk mode?I've been monk since 2007, 13 years, steadily, apart from some rare, short-lived deviations. So I was essentially monk (though blue pill in many ways) long before encountering MGTOW. I'm 59. There are a lot of factors that go into a relatively happy, contented "monk" life. Everyone is different, of course, so the factors might be different for you than for me. I want to mention one factor that doesn't get much press: having a good relationship with yourself. For me, that's been a cornerstone of … | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/02/21 01:18 PM |
| 4 | Being short gives you perspective.Yeah, Camry's seemed too big for me, as if they were designed for a family. I'm just a guy with a dog. That was my main reason for getting a Corolla vs. Camry, in addition to the price. Camry seemed too big (although I'm sure the actual difference is just inches). But I do notice the ride is a little bumpier than I'd like. Maybe I'll get a Camry next time. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/02/21 12:46 PM |
| 1 | Uhhhhh...the mensrights sub is that wayAgreed. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/02/21 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Uhhhhh...the mensrights sub is that wayI guess my only reservation about the "gatekeeping" thing is that I like dealing with contrary opinions. It keeps me on my toes. I don't want an echo chamber (not saying you do, but that's a danger). We should be strong and clear enough to call out BS and give our reasons for X or Y. It's good to be challenged -- as long as the challenge is respectful and intelligent, that is. I've got no patience for male feminists who screech about how we're incels or whatever. I don't mean that. I mean respec… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 10:22 PM |
| 7 | Uhhhhh...the mensrights sub is that wayPUAs are just assholes who see a group of chill dudes here and so they come over with their chihuahua energy bouncing up and down barking their manhood and how we can be just as manly as they are if only we exert as much needy energy as they do for female validation. lol, love the way you put that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 10:17 PM |
| 2 | Uhhhhh...the mensrights sub is that wayThat's right. As I understand it, MGTOW split off from MRA precisely because MGTOW men were not interested in social activism or being a force for change in the world. They didn't want to try to mend a society that was crapping on them. They wanted to turn their backs and walk away. I think it's fine to want to help men who are struggling, try to educate or support them. That's different. But this guy (the one you're quoting) wanted us to be reaching out to women and trying to help them "see the… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Be cool to new women that want to talk.If there are women here, I rarely notice them. I'm not really invested in trying to educate women. I don't see that as my responsibility. I'm not an agent for social change. I'm just here to support other men and myself, and to share some stories and insights. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Falling for a girlI just saw a decent video from Red Pill Men's Health on this subject -- how interacting via online apps can really be misleading. One of the main dangers is that of projection. We don't know much about the person, but the moment there is a sense of connection, we start projecting all sorts of traits and hopes on to the woman. You might check out the video, just to see if it helps. He posted it today, so it should be easy to find. I'm not going to vote in the poll, because the solution isn't "tal… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 06:25 PM |
| 1 | I mostly draw beautiful idealized exotic women. Is it subconsious weakness\simping?It could be idealization/fantasy on your part, some kind of substitutionary satisfaction. Otoh, women can be objectively beautiful, and there's nothing wrong with depicting or celebrating beauty, particularly for an artist. I can't tell you which one it is. You know yourself better than me. One way to tell might be to gauge the effect your art has on you. Does it leave you artistically stimulated and satisfied, and that's it? Or does it stimulate your lust or desire to chase women? If the latter… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Double bindIt's critical to identify the "shoulds" that drive us and then ask the all-important follow-up question, "Who says?" Or "why?" For any "should," ask: "Is this realistic?" and "Is it in my best interest?" All of the "shoulds" listed here fail those criteria. Just because someone else sets up a "should" doesn't mean you have to believe it. You have the power to reject it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 06:04 PM |
| 17 | Being short gives you perspective.Yup, I'm 5' 7" and I've had those same thoughts. Being short does give you insight into the superficiality of female attraction. I know it's evolutionarily determined, but it's still superficial. Women talk about true love and romance, but so much is just evolutionarily determined buttons getting pushed. Took me a while to get past insecurity about being short. And it took me even longer before I could see the upside. I see it now very clearly. It forces you to build your internal resources -- s… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 05:58 PM |
| 3 | Some people get very lucky and don't need it, but for the rest of us, MGTOW is by far the safest choiceWhen I realized how dangerous the world is for guys, how many life-ruining scenarios we can stumble into while literally doing everything by the rules... that's when I was done. I feel awful for men who don't figure this shit out in time. I'm reading through Bob Knight's "The Power of Negative Thinking" right now, and this is a point he makes over and over -- the key to success is to avoid mistakes. The key to winning is to prepare thoroughly and eliminate mistakes. It's a lesson that MGTOW teac… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/02/21 12:38 PM |
| 2 | Podcasts Similar to Tom LeykisI ordered my copy from amazon. I saw the chapter title, "Expendable Beings, Disposable Lives," read a bit of it, and that was enough for me. I wish more people would talk about that. Other chapter titles caught my eye, too, like the one on "earning manhood." I noticed that, in the Acknowledgments, he says many people advised him not to write it, because saying anything positive about men "could seriously damage my career. I hope they are wrong." You can hear the trepidation in that. He wants to … | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 07:05 PM |
| 2 | Why MGTOW & BITCOIN is men's only EXIT from crisis.I think it's a mistake to put all your financial eggs in one basket (e.g., bitcoin). Diversification is a much smarter approach. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Where have we seen it before?Alexandria Ocasio Cortez ("AOC" for short). She's a radical left-wing ideologue in the US Democratic party with something like 14 million followers on Twitter. Unfortunately, she is very popular, charismatic, admired, and influential. She's also batshit crazy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 03:23 PM |
| 1 | How should i go about controlling my anger?Some anger is okay, if it motivates you to do something constructive. Other anger is not. It's more like a temper tantrum, because the world isn't the way you think it should be. It's basically narcissism. King baby is stamping his feet, having a tantrum, because the world isn't doing what he wants it to do. Reminds me of the William Blake quote about being "a feverish little clod of grievances and ailments, complaining that the world isn't devoting itself to making you happy." It can help to se… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Inability to understand how people can be satisfied working bad jobs and dead end careersWell, that's a good motivator for you to find another career path. I imagine that a lot of these guys feel differently. They don't necessarily think of it as working a "bad job and a dead-end career." That's just your view. They have probably made adjustments by now and feel okay with it. Some of them might even enjoy their work and find it satisfying. It's hard to really know someone's insides, looking from the outside. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 03:09 PM |
| 3 | Wish I Could Still TeleportWait, what now? Women are preventing you from teleporting? | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 03:06 PM |
| 1 | How should i go about controlling my anger?I found "The Anger Fallacy" a pretty good read. At least the first half. You might check it out; it might help somewhat. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 11:45 AM |
| 2 | Podcasts Similar to Tom LeykisIs There Anything Good About Men? Thanks for mentioning that. Wasn't aware of it. I've got it in my list of "to read" now. I know Baumeister from some of his other work (on, for instance, self-esteem). I respect him. He is a solid researcher. I'm surprised he wrote a book like this. I thought he was a fairly traditional academic psychologist. This is treading into risky territory, particularly for a psychologist. But good for him. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/02/21 11:43 AM |
| 2 | How do you deal with being single?Thank you for that really nice comment. I appreciate it. It's very gratifying to know that what I say helps someone else, even a little. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/02/21 01:50 PM |
| 1 | Feeling Kind Of LonelyI don't mean for this to sound flippant, but if you have no social skills, why not work on developing them? That way, you wouldn't feel dependent on just these two friends. Also, and again I don't mean this to sound flip, but you could get a dog. They are wonderful companions. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/21 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Where should I seek help if I was raised with an emotionally absent father?Sounds like you're having a rough time. I will offer a little advice, but I won't pretend it's any sort of "cure." I don't even think there is such a thing as a "cure," in this situation. You can't make up for not having a good father after the fact. You can do some things to help compensate a bit, though. So, here are a few ideas. Look for good but realistic role models. James Bond is not a realistic role model. Stay away from idealized versions of "masculinity." Although inspiring in a way, th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/21 10:02 PM |
| 21 | How do you deal with being single?I'm very rarely lonely. I used to be, when I was younger, but for the past 15-20 years or so (I'm 59 now), it's just not a problem. I have a dog, and that's enough live-in companionship for me. I've actually found my relationships with dogs to be deeper and more profound than those with women. I'm not sure how I arrived here, exactly (comfortable being single, that is). I'll make this short, but here are some of the factors that contributed: Overcoming the neuroses and insecurities that fueled m… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/21 01:42 PM |
| 4 | They hate questions..Oh sure, that's very common. Women are used to being able to bash men without any repercussions or push-back. It's only lately that men (some men) have started to call them out on the hypocrisy, attempts to control, degrading language, etc. The "women good, men bad" culture has shamed and attacked men who do this -- misogynist! -- so it kept a lot of men quiet, for a long time. It's good to see them pushing back. Women aren't prepared for it, because they are used to being protected from critici… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/21 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Someone help me understand. Why is this whole movement accused of being "misogynistic" and all the other lies across the internet?Because you live in a culture that prizes the feminine and disrespects the masculine. Anything critical of women is shut down. One of the ways you shut things down is by labelling them "misogyny" or "hate speech." It's a tactic used to silence. Because by labeling something misogyny, you don't have to listen to those opinions, take them seriously, or even think about them. It eliminates cognitive dissonance and the need to consider other perspectives. Because some guys in this space do express i… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/21 01:24 PM |
| 6 | This Is Really How Women View And " Test " Men. It's Disgraceful!Good catch. I didn't notice he was posting a screenshot from a prostitutes' subreddit. What do you expect? Of course they're interested in money. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/21 01:20 PM |
| 11 | Just like one of the girlslol, that's what I was thinking, too. Should've called her a misogynist. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/02/21 11:58 PM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever considered starting an in person element to MGTOW?I mean like having actual meetings dedicated to discussing MGTOW and men’s issues. Maybe have like MGTOW chapters in major cities. That could potentially garner more interest in our community. I think it'd be great to have something like that available. I'd go. You say "it could garner more interest in our community," but that wouldn't be my motive. In fact, I'd want to fly under the radar. But to me, one of the challenges of going your own way is the potential isolation that can set in, difficu… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/02/21 11:44 AM |
| 1 | Become indifferent to societal norms?You could look for the benefits in your schizophrenia and life situation. There may be some. That's what a lot of positive thinking gurus would suggest. Look at it as a "gift." Try to see the good in it (e.g., how it makes you unique, creative, or independent). Personally, I think there is a downside to the "put a positive spin on it" stuff. It can lead to denying real emotional pain (frustration, disappointment, fear, shame, whatever), which you're entitled to feel. Having schizophrenia is toug… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/02/21 11:26 AM |
| 2 | Simps can be worse than womenYeah, you're not a member of the Married Men club. It's a very elite club. Only blue pill simps allowed. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/02/21 10:39 PM |
| 12 | Simps can be worse than womenThat's interesting. I wonder why they feel the need to belittle you or make sarcastic cracks about your singlehood? My guess is that they feel insecure for some reason. I won't attempt to read their mind, because I don't know what's going on for them, but there are a few possibilities that occur to me: - Maybe they are worried that, if you don't join them in the married lifestyle, you will have less and less in common as the years go by, and you will drift apart. - Maybe they have adopted the ty… | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/02/21 12:37 PM |
| 2 | What are your thoughts on therapy? Why is it or why is it not effective?Most suicide (for men) is actually post retirement age Not accurate. Suicide rates for people 25 to 44 and 45 to 64 both exceed the rate for people 65+. The only group that has a lower suicide rate than 65+ are people 15 to 24 -- and that rate is rising rapidly. https://www.sprc.org/scope/age Research also shows people generally get happier as they get older. The picture of retirement as a miserable condition is a badly outdated image. Sure it can turn out to be miserable, if you have health pro… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/01/21 10:22 PM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on therapy? Why is it or why is it not effective?I say this as a former therapist (now retired). Most therapists are not particularly effective. Like most anti-depressants, they are marginally better than placebo, but not by much. This has been well-established in the research literature, although neither profession (MDs dispensing antidepressants and therapists dispensing therapy) like to admit it. You can often get as good, or better, assistance from self-help literature. This has also been established in the research literature. Depends on … | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/01/21 10:09 PM |
| 1 | I don’t know why these radical feminists say that a guy is a mysogynist. When in actually he doesn’t hate women at all."Misogynist" is a knee-jerk, reflective reaction on the part of feminists to anything that is remotely critical of a woman. It's really astounding how quickly and unthinkingly it comes out. It should not be taken seriously. The word has lost all meaning because of over-use. It's a way of avoiding discussion by resorting to character attack. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/01/21 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Why does everyone assume that I can't get a women or a girlfriend when I said I plan to be single and not get married at all?People around me: you sure you don't want a girlfriend? Me: positive. I just want to live a single life. I don't see any benefit from being in a relationship besides intimacy which I don't really care for. People around me: yeah you only said that cause you couldn't get a girlfriend in the first place! I'm in disbelief. .... How would you guys counter argue if someone said something like what I experienced? I just want to tell them in a nice and subtle manner that not all things have to be about… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/01/21 12:52 PM |
| 2 | Anyone have successful or unsuccessful stories of dealing with a loved one with substance abuse problems?Hi. I'm a psychologist who worked with lots of addicts in his career. I've struggled with alcohol issues myself. And my family is rife with alcohol problems -- brother, mother, father, etc. I say that in the hopes that you'll perceive me as someone speaking from experience. Motivation is the main issue. If a person doesn't really want to get over their alcohol issues, it's no use. Any attempt you make to help them, or to persuade them they need help, is going to do the opposite of what you inten… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/01/21 02:53 PM |
| 1 | Is there anyone who lives in central/eastern Pennsylvania that knows about any male-only support groups or mens groupsI'd never heard of the Mankind Project before. Thanks for mentioning it. I looked it up, and it seems like a worthwhile organization. I live in a small city in the deep south, so I doubt they have any groups in my area, but I notice they have online support groups as well. Pretty cool. I don't know if I'll sign up for one, but it's nice to know it's out there as a resource option. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/01/21 02:30 PM |
| 1 | A story for purple pill MGTOW or red pill who need a reminder of why they choose freedom.A woman who blames men for her problems? Shocking. Good luck, man. At least it sounds like you know the game, and you aren't buying into her blame. Blame is very destructive for relationships. I don't need to tell you that. It's probably the #1 offender. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 01:09 PM |
| 3 | This question is for those who do not want to get marriedHow do you deal with the probability of never receiving affection from a loved woman I have received affection from a loved woman. Several of them. So I know what that's like. It's harder to go without, if you have never experienced it. Then there's FOMO and idealization. But if you've experienced it, then it's not such a big deal. The idealization goes away. You learn how conditional it is. You learn that it comes and goes. You see how much of your thinking gets shaped by chemistry (hormones, n… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 01:07 PM |
| 2 | Been doing MGTOW for a few years without knowing this exists.Sounds like you're making a good life for yourself. Congratulations. I know alcoholism is tough to work through (it's rampant in my family), so good on you for tackling it and staying with it. Say hi to your dogs for me -- I find that they go a long way to filling the need for companionship, touch, interaction, fun, someone to care for, etc. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for the post. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and thanks for saying it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 12:53 PM |
| 2 | What's the reasoning behind the whole "other guys put their dick in her so I don't want her" thing?Yeah, there's data showing that if a woman has had more than about a dozen partners, she's going to be less successful in pair-bonding. The more partners she's had, the less successful she's likely to be in sustaining a good, stable relationship. If you're just hitting & quitting, it's not an issue (for you). If you're looking for a stable, healthy relationship, it is an issue. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 12:48 PM |
| 1 | Can somebody help me with defining the simpThis is true. Nice to see a little historical context. Peter Wright's book on Gynocentrism is a good one, for anyone who wants to read more about the connection between the development of the idea of "courtly (romantic) love" and our modern simpery. A couple of very influential women of the time developed and inculcated the idea that the job of men was to jump through hoops, in order to prove they were "worthy" of her graces (sex). The knight would do all sorts of deeds for "m' lady" and her hon… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 12:45 PM |
| 0 | Gents, do you think MGTOW, and in a broader sense , the manosphere is a kind of fad for old men to live their fantasies ? What are your predictions, if any, for the state of the MGTOW2 subreddit by the end of the year 2021?Do you think MGTOW ... is a fad for old men to live their fantasies? Speaking as a representative old man (59), I'll say three things. The question is phrased pejoratively (calling it a "fad" for "old men" to live out their "fantasies"). But to answer the question -- Yes, absolutely: MGTOW has helped me to live out my fantasy of the good life -- a life of freedom, financial independence, early retirement, peace of mind, and personal growth. It's very satisfying. I was already on the path many ye… | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 12:34 PM |
| 5 | Would you consider the “Free Agent Lifestyle” going MGTOW?Yeah. For those who don't know, this is Coach Greg Adam's phrase. He has explained that he developed it because he knew the Youtube algorithms' torpedoed "MGTOW." He realized he needed a different label and came up with "free agent lifestyle." So it's another phrase to describe the same thing, while flying under the suppressive Youtube algorithms. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 12:09 PM |
| 5 | Hour of PowerGood idea. It helps to get the day off on a good footing. I've been doing it for a few months now, and it's made a big difference. It sets a good tone for the day. Usually, it's an hour, but sometimes, I only go a half hour. A lot of people find it hard to dedicate a whole hour to this every day. If so, I think a half hour can provide a lot of benefit, too. Just one caveat. Be careful about combining some of those ideas. For instance, don't strip down to your underwear and then take a walk. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/01/21 12:05 PM |
| 1 | Reminder: if you post here, prepare to be doxed if you post somewhere elseYeah, I figured that was a risk. I don't really care, though. If someone takes their time and energy to search my post history, that is evidence of 1) how much my opinion has affected them, which is kind of funny, and 2) that they have no life, because they're searching through people's post history (who does that?). That immediately discredits their opinion. Most likely it's just some deranged, crabby kid. Who cares. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/01/21 11:35 PM |
| 2 | Reminder: if you post here, prepare to be doxed if you post somewhere elseYeah, someone who takes the time to dig through someone else's post history -- especially for something trivial like not liking a TV show -- is truly the pathetic one. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/01/21 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Reminder: if you post here, prepare to be doxed if you post somewhere elseYup, yup, yup. Well said. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/01/21 11:27 PM |
| 2 | Unfair post removalI prefer hard copies, so I can underline important passages (makes a second reading much more efficient, or reviewing the main ideas) and make notes to myself in the margins. My books usually have a lot of writing in them (by me, that is). | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/01/21 02:43 PM |
| 10 | NAWALT doesn't existI think whether NAWALT exists depends on what you mean by Like That? Right. There are a million ways that "NAWALT" can be used. Some of them are accurate; some are not. | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/01/21 02:39 PM |
| 4 | NAWALT doesn't existDepends on the statement you're responding to. Some statements are generalizations which are basically true and accurate. For example, "All women are hypergamous by nature." That's true. It doesn't mean all women act on their hypergamy at every opportunity, but they all have that instinct, by nature. So, if you say "NAWALT" to that, you're mistaken. Other statements, though, are overgeneralizations. In those cases, it's reasonable to make a qualifier that not all women are like that. For example… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/01/21 12:51 PM |
| 3 | I envy those of you who got away from a corporate job so muchSounds great, man. Congrats on getting to that point in your life. I'm sure it wasn't easy. I thought about being a physician once, too. I ended up going in a different direction (psychologist), but I worked with and knew a lot of doctors. They would often talk about how demanding the career of a physician was -- how much time, effort, and energy it required, and how much they had to sacrifice to become physicians. Many of them would also say they'd never recommend their son or daughter go into … | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 10:32 PM |
| 21 | Don't want a girlfriend or wife, I'm on my purpose ... but I'd like some cuddlesMy dog meets my needs for touch. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 10:21 PM |
| 2 | I envy those of you who got away from a corporate job so muchHe recently got divorced, fwiw. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 06:15 PM |
| 3 | I envy those of you who got away from a corporate job so muchI recommend Bob Clyatt's book, "Work Less, Live More." Lots of good advice in there about arranging your life so you can downshift the work stress. It might not have any breakthrough ideas for you, but it might provide some support and a sense of light at the end of the tunnel. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 06:13 PM |
| 0 | I really want to go my own way, but I hate this natural feeling of wanting a significant other. Guys here, pls help So your advice sadly doesn't help, and I guess that's why someone downvoted you. They didn't downvote because his advice wasn't helpful. They downvoted because he mentioned God, in a traditional way. That triggers some people. A lot of MGTOW are young guys who are still atheists or more accurately anti-theists. Any mention of God triggers them. Downvote! p.s. And I see my comment is getting downvoted, lol. Oh noes. | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 12:21 PM |
| 2 | I really want to go my own way, but I hate this natural feeling of wanting a significant other. Guys here, pls helpGregory at Red Pill Men's Health has a course called "Purging the Thirst." You might check that out. I haven't taken it myself, so I can't vouch for the content, but it's relevant to what you're asking. The ED sounds very psychogenic and is probably related to performance anxiety. You can get over that. Try searching sexual performance anxiety or similar terms. I think you'll be able to find helpful resources, if you search. 25 is a tough age to be a guy. As you've probably heard, 90% of the wom… | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 12:16 PM |
| 8 | How do I know MGTOW isn't an echo-chamber?Social media discussion groups different dramatically on their level of tolerance for differences of opinion. Pay attention to how much freedom of speech is valued and how opinions that go against the grain are handled. MGTOW is defined by "going your own way" -- which means placing a high value on individuality and freedom of thought/speech/behavior. Compare that to the "woke" crowd on social media, and I think you'll see, there is no comparison. The woke stuff is the true echo chamber, because… | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 12:10 PM |
| 2 | Married, kids, and stuck.I felt the same when I was married. I felt like my spirit was dying. I remember one point where I distinctly remember thinking, "I am trying to live someone else's life." Not my own. I felt like a wallet. I felt like a source of financial and emotional security, but I did not feel loved beyond that. I remember feeling very lonely and hurting -- lonelier than I've ever felt alone. I don't want to paint myself as a victim, though. I chose this woman. I chose to get married. I signed up for it. I c… | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/01/21 11:56 AM |
| 5 | Just told my spouse I want to divorceI think your dog is better off with a friend or family member, if you can arrange it. Several reasons: 125-pound dog who needs "vigorous exercise" ever day + wife with a bad knee who has trouble taking him on walks = bad situation. There are many stories of ex-wives doing bad things to dogs, up to and including killing them, in order to inflict punishment on their ex-husbands. I'm not saying your wife would do that. I don't know her. But it's a possibility that she'll hurt him, in order to get b… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 10:59 PM |
| 5 | Asking for some advice.I'm similar -- introverted, enjoy being alone, rarely feel lonely, not interested in taking on the responsibility of a wife and children. I'm 59, I've been that way my whole life. Maybe it's something you'll grow out of, but I never did. I think it's just how I was made or how I am. I did get married at one point (I was in luv), but it felt like I was living someone else's life, not my own. I've wrestled with the issue of "selfishness," too. It's a good question. I don't think there are simple a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 10:49 PM |
| 24 | Advice for going MGTOWThere are two main parts. The first is detaching yourself from the need for female validation (feeling you're only complete with a woman, only a success if you have a girlfriend/wife, only a real man if women and like you, getting approval from being of service to women, etc.). That is important, because otherwise, you'll just drift back into the normal patterns. The second part is figuring out where to invest all that energy, time, and attention, now that it isn't focused on women. I'd suggest … | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 06:38 PM |
| 0 | Posted on a sex worker Sub Reddit for advice on dating an escort and got bombarded with replies from woman feeling disrespected to trolls replies and hate from the jealous beta males just because I didn’t pay her LMAOI honestly feel like an alpha male and never want to see an escort again If you're an alpha, you shouldn't need to see an escort. You should be able to log on to any dating app and have girls lined up. Not sure why you're paying for it. That's a weird situation, to have a hooker want you to be her boyfriend. You must fit the "bad boy" template for her. Be careful. Most hookers are screwed up. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 01:49 AM |
| 1 | Red Pill YouTube ChannelWill watch later, thanks. Good luck with your channel. That's a good topic -- the idea that showing emotion is good for a relationship, or that this is what women want. I fell for that one, and I'm an (otherwise) smart guy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 01:40 AM |
| 2 | Need adviceDon't get a woman pregnant (unless you intend to, of course). One slipped sperm can change your life for 18 years or more. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 01:38 AM |
| 8 | Study: MGTOW lifestyle is better for your financesYup, me too. I was scraping by when I was married. It was so hard to get her to be disciplined with her spending. It just didn't come naturally to her at all, like it does to me. I was able to keep up with house payments and bills, but not able to save much. Once I was divorced, I bought a smaller home, and I paid it off in 3 years. I was then able to save nearly 50% of my paycheck, which, over time, grew into quite a nice bundle. I was eventually able to retire early. I would've never been able… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 01:35 AM |
| 14 | Study: MGTOW lifestyle is better for your financesI was reading a book on early retirement earlier today. In it, the author discusses all of the different ways to keep your expenses low. You know the usual list -- stay out of debt, don't try to keep up with the Joneses, buy more modest houses, live in cheaper locales.... However, he left out a huge category: women. I wasn't surprised he failed to mention it. He's married, and it's not politically correct to talk about. But avoiding women -- or rather, serious romantic relationships with them --… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/01/21 01:31 AM |
| 1 | What is a Man?A man is someone of the male gender. There are genetic qualities that make men more like men, and women more like women (go figure), and there are also sociological/cultural factors that shape what we think of as a man or woman. It's too complicated to parse out in a brief post, so I'll leave it there. As for what GYOW means, it means no marriage/cohab/pregnancy, and it means unhooking from the need for (and pursuit of) female validation. Beyond that, there are millions of options. It is called … | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/01/21 12:56 PM |
| 6 | It is ok to fail and start again.Right. As long as you're learning from your mistakes and you're making progress, you're doing good. Sometimes life is very hard, and you just have to keep plugging away. Try to have faith in yourself. You'll overcome these obstacles eventually. And then, looking back, you'll see how much you've grown and learned, because of the struggle. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/01/21 12:53 PM |
| 3 | Why no relationships?Well said. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/01/21 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Why no relationships?When I do a pro/con analysis of getting into an LTR with a woman, the cons heavily outweigh the pros. There are just too many downsides and disadvantages, and there's too little of an upside to motivate me to go through the time, trouble, expense, and work of pursuing, finding, and maintaining it. I've got nothing against women and generally like them. I am just happier single (unattached, that is). | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/01/21 10:47 PM |
| 8 | Am I welcome?Sure, you're welcome. MGTOW = no marriage, no cohabition, and don't get anyone pregnant. It also means detaching yourself from the need for female validation and turning most of that attention elsewhere. Some MGTOW date and have STRs, though, and there's no rule that says you have to "swear off relationships." The main idea is just to be smart about it -- educate yourself, know what the risks are, pay attention to red flags, understand "female nature," etc. And of course, avoid marriage, cohabit… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/01/21 10:33 PM |
| 5 | Why separating from my mother is important for my MGTOW journey and a thank you to the modsInteresting, thanks for sharing. Your story reminds me of Robert Bly's "Iron John," in which part of the struggle he lays out for men is breaking away from the mother. He approaches it from a mythological angle. It's been years since I read it, but I remember an image of the boy having to steal a golden ball from his mother, who had it under lock and key. The golden ball represented his spirit, which his mother possessed. In order to become a man, the boy had to steal his spirit back from his mo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/01/21 10:18 PM |
| 1 | Who of you are going through adulthood male emotional independence, including separation from women and mother? (MGTOW monk mode?)That's what I was thinking earlier today -- "hermit mode" would be a better label for what's being described here. Monk mode = no sexual/romantic relations with women; that's all. | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/01/21 10:03 PM |
| 3 | Who of you are going through adulthood male emotional independence, including separation from women and mother? (MGTOW monk mode?)Well, I'm monk mode, but I see that as different than you do. You say you are "completely separating" from your family and society. To me, that's not monk mode; it's something beyond just monk mode. In my view (and others may have different understandings), "monk mode" just means you aren't having sexual-romantic relationships with women. That's all. It doesn't mean you are cutting off completely from family or society -- or even from women in general, for that matter. It just means you aren't s… | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/01/21 12:17 PM |
| 11 | This hindu monk is taught me about UNWAVERING FOCUS and it's already changing my life. FOCUS alone is going to save me years of pointless activities. I only wish I had known about this 10-20 years earlier.Yeah, focus is very important. Especially in today's society, where attention is so fractured. Very useful ability. After all, attention is what shapes our experience -- what you pay attention to becomes your reality. So learning to guide and control that is an important skill. It has wide applicability, not just at the individual but the broader level (e.g., companies that focus do better than companies that don't). | /r/MGTOW2 | 15/01/21 12:10 PM |
| 2 | Weekly MGTOW DiscussionEven Jesus got that one wrong ("this generation shall not pass away..."). Woops! | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/01/21 05:31 PM |
| 1 | Goodbye “Friend” LettersYeah, I hear you. I've tried to be friends with women, too, and it hasn't worked out well for me, either. It sounds like you had a wish to be sexual-romantic with them, and so if you're friends with them, then you are in the "just friends" category, the "friend zone," as they say, which is an uncomfortable place to be. In my experience (I'm 59, fwiw), it's pretty difficult -- damn near impossible -- to be clear, legitimate friends with a single woman, if you're a single guy, without getting the … | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/01/21 02:29 PM |
| 3 | Kevin Samuels vs Coach Greg AdamsI've watched a lot of Coach Greg. I like him. He's got a good patter. He can talk off the cuff in a way other MGTOW guys can't. He can be pretty funny at times, too. He does get repetitive, but that's true of all the content creators. I haven't watched much of Kevin Samuels. I've seen some of his clips, particularly the recent one about "you're average at best," which got a lot of circulation. I also remember seeing a clip of him roasting another lady, a few months back. However, I don't watch h… | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/01/21 02:15 PM |
| 1 | Help NeededI don't think there's anything you can do. In general, it's pointless arguing with feminists, especially young ones. They'll have to figure things out for themselves. Hopefully they do, eventually. Trying to convince them of the dangers of feminism will only make you look (more) like the enemy and drive them deeper into it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/01/21 02:07 PM |
| 3 | Poor guy! Hopefully things turn out well for him! Let’s hope he finds this community! Love you guys ❤️Ouch. Wow, I feel for that guy. I especially feel bad for his upcoming separation from his two daughters, 9 and 11. Sounds like he's been a really great dad to them. Mom will probably get custody and child support, despite her being at fault and the shitty person in this story (which I admit is just from his angle, so there may be things we don't know). | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/01/21 02:04 PM |
| 1 | Women - Juice ain't worth the squeezeI didn't know that the general populous referred to MGTOW as incels. Once again showing the ignorance of the majority of the population of the earth, as they are all sheep. Yeah, it's a "go-to" insult for a lot of people who dislike MGTOW and want to denigrate it. We've been hearing it since the inception of MGTOW. Originally, it was just "Haha, you're MGTOW because you can't get laid, haha, loser." Now people use the word "incel," but it's the same meaning, the same shame tactic. ... they're … | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/01/21 11:56 AM |
| 3 | BBC DOCUMENTARY: Feminist criticism of MGTOW, has to be the biggest projection of they own behaviour I have ever seen!! F***ing hell, check this BBC documentary out!!Thanks for clarifying. I was thinking it was a documentary about feminist critiques of MGTOW. Sounds like it's just feminists patting themselves on the back for how awesome they are. I can do without that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Women - Juice ain't worth the squeezeNow the problem with incels where I think MGTOW can help, is that even though incel's know women are the root of the problem, they're still blaming themselves and looking for ways to improve so that they can still attract a woman. [....] MGTOW's really need to start embracing more guys who are incel, and try to encourage them that they shouldn't improve for women, nor should they be blaming themselves because they're not tall enough, or are bald, or just not good looking enough because of their … | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Women - Juice ain't worth the squeezeHm. That's sad. I wonder if things have changed dramatically in the last 15 to 20 years, because of the dating apps. I'm an average-looking guy, maybe even below-average if you take my height into account (I'm 5' 7"), but I was able to find dates, girlfriends, and a wife. That was 15 - 20 years ago, though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Women - Juice ain't worth the squeeze72? That's not good, lol. | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 03:09 PM |
| 6 | this subreddit is way too fixated on womenRight. I said as much in my own post -- discussion of women and relationships is central to what MGTOW is all about. If you toss that out, you lose what all MGTOW have in common, and you reduce the forum to generic discussions of self-improvement strategies, which can be found anywhere else. MGTOW was born from an understanding of the dangers and downsides of relationships with women, and in the decision to walk away. You can't get away from those roots, or you lose the essence of what MGTOW is … | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 12:41 PM |
| 1 | this subreddit is way too fixated on womenWe've had this conversation a lot. I understand the annoyance. However, talking about women and relationships is the common thread that binds all MGTOW men together. It's the thing we all have in common. And it's difficult to break away from -- social, cultural, biological, religious, peer group, media influences all push us towards it (overvaluing relationships with women, I mean). So, it makes a lot of sense to talk about the downsides of that. It's a way to sustain motivation and keep yoursel… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 12:28 PM |
| 3 | MGTOW Gatekeeping?Agree, Rollo has made tremendous contributions. As I said in my post, I admire him. I've got the whole Rational Male series on my shelf. He does distance himself from MGTOW and tends to frame us as "extreme" at times. I heard him do this recently in an interview with a female talk show host. I am not surprised or offended by this. Rollo is a married guy and has spent a large chunk of his life thinking about how to seduce, attract, and keep women. He's not going to see eye-to-eye with MGTOW, who … | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 12:08 AM |
| 2 | MGTOW Gatekeeping?Yeah, although not in the conspiratorial sense. It's not that well thought out. It's really more the result lazy thinking combined with a dislike of MGTOW. It's a more general process that you can see happening in politics and the culture war all the time. If you dislike soemthing, and you haven't bothered to actually learn about that thing, then it's very easy to portray that thing in a very distorted way. You can make it sound stupid and evil. Once you've made that thing sound stupid and evil,… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/21 12:00 AM |
| 21 | Women - Juice ain't worth the squeezeGood. Welcome to the dark side, ha. I've been going my own way (confirmed bachelor) for 13 years now, after my marriage ended and then I got tired of dating. At first I flip flopped a lot and would occasionally pine for a "special someone," but over time, I've reallized several things: There are a lot of upsides of being single (MGTOW, confirmed bachelor, whatever). There's a whole list, and it begins with freeeeedom. The freedom to live your life just exactly as you want, without having to cate… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/01/21 11:47 PM |
| 7 | MGTOW Gatekeeping?It may be because there is so much intentional distortion about MGTOW in the media. I can't even recognize MGTOW in some of the descriptions of MGTOW. For instance, I was watching a reaction video this morning from Casual Bachelor, and the woman in the video said that MGTOW men want men to be more like women, submissive to women, and financially supported by women. I was like, "WTF, where did you get that idea?" There's a lot of screwy ideas about MGTOW out there. A lot of it is spread by people… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/01/21 10:30 PM |
| 13 | MGTOW Gatekeeping?Rollo Tomassi is married and Rich Cooper (Entrepenuers In Cars) is either married or in an ltr. With all due respect, I don't think any of you guys would "gatekeep" them and tell them that they're not really MGTOW. I would, and so would most knowledgeable MGTOW. Rich Cooper and Rolli Tomassi are not MGTOW. They are red pill. That's different. Red pill is a broader category. Rich Cooper is critical of MGTOW and would feel insulted if you called him MGTOW. He's in the business of trying to coach m… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/01/21 10:10 PM |
| 2 | Stoicism is not the only one useful philosophy out thereYes, I agree with you that philosophy back then was practical -- at least more of it was than now -- and that psychology is an extension of that practical or pragmatic philosophy, joined with some occasional scientific underpinnings. I agree that psychology has a lot of BS as well. Like I said, Sturgeon's rule applies to all of this. One of the advantages of reading widely (rather than just immersing yourself in stoicism, for instance) is that you develop a better ability to distinguish what's t… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/01/21 04:26 PM |
| 3 | Do you guys still date as mgtow or is it just straight monk modeI've been basically monk for 13 years. I've thought about dating, but every time I've checked dating sites, I've come away feeling that there's no one out there who I'm attracted to. Pursuing women just doesn't seem worth the effort. The longer I've been single, the more satisfying my single life is, and the less willing I am to part with my freedom or time, for the sake of dating/relationships. I should add, I'm 59, and this has gotten much easier with time. In my earlier years, I held on to th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/01/21 01:09 PM |
| 1 | Do you guys still date as mgtow or is it just straight monk modeI disagree. MGTOW means avoiding marriage and cohabitation, and avoiding getting some pregnant. It means detaching from female validation. But beyond that, the options are open. You can be total monk. You can do hook ups and one-night stands. You can date and get into short-term relationships. You can even be in a long-term relationship, if you set it up right (although I don't know many MGTOW who do that). Let's not narrowly define MGTOW to be equivalent to monk mode. Monk is just a subset of M… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/01/21 12:58 PM |
| 16 | What’s the opinion here on gay men?MGTOW is about the conscious decision to avoid marriage and LTRs with women, and to detach from female validation more generally. Technically speaking, gay men will avoid those things, too, but they haven't done it by conscious choice, and it hasn't been uphill, so to speak, against their own nature. They've done it because of their nature. They just aren't attracted to women. I think these are very different scenarios. You can't really compare a heterosexual man who, despite his biological urge… | /r/MGTOW2 | 12/01/21 12:44 PM |
| 1 | The OfficeFair warning, they're socialists, or were at the time anyhow. Not sure if that bothers you, but I'll mention it. I was into them during my punk phase, ages ago. They did have some good songs. "Hateful" and "Rudie Can't Fail" still run through my head now and then. But I can't listen to most of their songs anymore. They're too intense and angry. Good stuff for an angry young rebel, but not for a sedate old geezer like me. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 09:59 PM |
| 12 | I'm trying really hard to quit politics but it's difficultScience says people who talk about politics once a month are less angry than people who talk about politics once a week, who in turn are less angry than people who talk about politics once a day. Immersion in politics, especially today's politics, will make you angry. You sound angry. Being angry is no fun. It can provide a little ego boost (feeling superior to all the "syphillitic pustules"), but it just depletes you long-term. Best to consider it like an addiction (which it is, in a way) and c… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 08:43 PM |
| 2 | You don't have to be concerned about the way you lookYeah, I think that's part of it. It feels much better to be free to be yourself in a conversation -- to be honest and open -- rather than being preoccupied with how you're coming across or the effect you're having. There's so much more latitude and flexibility to it, and you can just be spontaneous in a way you couldn't, if you were concerned about her opinion/validation. I should clarify, I still pay attention to how I'm coming across and how I'm impacting people, and I try to be tactful. Howev… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 05:37 PM |
| 5 | Anyone else think that sex is overrated?Yeah, same here. I can't even imagine ginning up that much passion and excitement. It would just be an act. That's one of the downsides (for women) of the hookup culture. It makes it much less likely that a man will have that sort of excitement and passion for them. It was different back when women guarded sex carefully. Back then, you felt like you were being let into the secret kingdom. Now, it's just another intercourse. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 05:24 PM |
| 2 | The OfficeI don't listen to them. I don't listen to the radio, and so I just don't get exposed to them anymore -- unless I'm in the supermarket and have to listen to the music they pipe in. I'll hear old love songs there sometimes. I usually think, "what a simpy song." The last one I remember was something by Phil Collins. I thought about the recent stories about Phil and his wife -- what a trainwreck that is. I assume you've heard about it; if not, it's worth looking up for a good object lesson. When I g… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 01:52 PM |
| 2 | Any Asian guy here(esp. South Asian)? How you guys deal with social pressure?Yeah, that can be difficult. From what I've heard, the family pressures can be pretty intense sometimes, in those countries. I'm not sure what to advise, really. I'll just say that sometimes, you need to bear up under the realization that family members do not understand or support your life choices. That's sad and frustrating. But it is your life. Make your own choices. Walk your own path. Don't let anyone, even parents, tell you how you should be or live. You know yourself better than anyone d… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 01:45 PM |
| 4 | You don't have to be concerned about the way you lookRight. That's one of the joys of going your own way. I don't have to take efforts to dress well or be well-groomed. I'm retired now, so there's no need to dress up for anyone. I dress in t-shirts and jeans every day. I found a brand of t-shirt I like, and that's all I wear. I have a few pairs of pants that fit me, and a couple pair of shoes, and I'm good. I still have some "dress-up" clothes in my closet in case I need them, but they're gathering dust. It really extends beyond just clothes and h… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 01:39 PM |
| 3 | How do you feel about women waiting for men to apologize, but he doesn't know what he did wrong because she didn't tell him because he should know what he did wrong because it's so obvious in her eyes?Well, I feel like that is a power position that the woman is occupying, a "one-up" position that she is enjoying because it makes her feel superior or in control. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 01:36 PM |
| 1 | Anyone else think that sex is overrated?Yeah, in my experience, sex itself is usually enjoyable, but it's overrated, especially by younger men. At its core, sex is a dopamine surge. After the chemicals, which are designed to get you to procreate, wash through you, then it's done, and you're left with post-nut clarity. Ok, time to clean up and get on with life... For context, I'm 59, been married and divorced, had about half a dozen girlfriends and a few more one-night stands. I think my sex drive has always been a bit lower than other… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 01:32 PM |
| 1 | Anyone else think that sex is overrated?And those things (good book, travel) often leave you with experiences or understandings that change your life for the better, whereas a good sexual experience is ... well, once it's over, it's over, and it really doesn't leave you with much. Maybe some hot memory you'll revisit in a future wack off session, but otherwise, not much. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 01:10 PM |
| 2 | Anyone else think that sex is overrated?Yeah, I like the way you said that -- going MGTOW not because of gynocentrism or feminism, but because you aren't interested in the drama and sacrifices that go along with a relationship. Same here. Gynocentrism and feminism are things that have reinforced my choice, but the choice was made long before I learned about those things. My main motive is that I just simply enjoy my life more when I'm solo. Relationships can be fun little diversions here and there, but I always want to get back to my … | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 01:03 PM |
| 7 | Anyone else think that sex is overrated?It's because for women, a lot of the "charge" they get from sex is about how much you want them. They are sexually excited by an attractive guy who is extremely attracted to (bursting at the seams to have sex with) them. This is coming from women themselves, btw (more specifically, a female psychologist explaining female sexual arousal), not me. So the excitement of sex, for them, has a lot to do with how excited and passionate you are to have sex with them. It's not so much about the sex act it… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/21 12:58 PM |
| 2 | Stoicism is not the only one useful philosophy out thereYeah, very true. Stoicism does have value, but it's almost like the teacher's pet of MGTOW. It gets all the attention, as if it's the only possible route to wisdom. I say, in addition to studying other philosophies like the ones you mentioned, I'd also suggest studying psychology. The problem with philosophy is that it can get very abstract and academic, to the point where it's basically a waste of time. I mean, I can study Wittgenstein until my head hurts, but it doesn't help me enjoy my life. … | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 11:09 PM |
| 2 | My ex was abusive...Someone posted a few days ago that of the 10 women he dated, 7 of them said they were victims of abuse or had recently gotten out of an abusive relationship. It's a big red flag to me. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 11:02 PM |
| 5 | What can you do in life as a MGTOW that you could not otherwise?Fart whenever I want to, and not take showers for a week at a time. j/k. It's the freedom to do WHATEVER I want, whenever I want, for as long as I want, and then when I feel like it, to switch to something else that I want to do. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 11:01 PM |
| 3 | A gamer who is always around and down to hangThat's not a bad idea, to have MGTOW gamer get-togethers. I can't join you, because I'm not a member of the master race, but I hope you get some people to game with. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 10:59 PM |
| 3 | I just want to thank you all for everything you’ve taught meYou're welcome, and good luck to you. I've never hated anyone in this group, so I'm pretty sure I don't hate or even dislike you. I'm glad you were able to glean some useful bits from MGTOW. Take what you like and leave the rest. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 10:58 PM |
| 1 | The OfficeI see what you're saying, yeah. I watched (and enjoyed) The Office many years ago, before I got red pilled. I thought it was really funny back then, but I might have a different reaction now. Most TV shows are pretty traditional in how they view things. I'll bet you could see similar dynamics in many other shows. For instance, I liked Parks & Rec, but that one, too, often revolved around romances, happy endings of "love," and so forth. It's like pop music. Most of the songs are about love, lust,… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 10:55 PM |
| 2 | My GF of 5 years and I have broken up. Her mother just helped her move all of her stuff out today.Edit3: She is on my 401k and Life insurance, how do I remove her? Depends what you mean by "on" them. Do you mean as a beneficiary? I assume that's what you mean for the Life Insurance and possibly the 401K, too. That's an easy fix. You just contact the company that runs the accounts and ask them what the procedure is for changing your beneficiaries. Or you can look on their website, if they have one -- you can often change beneficiaries there very easily. If by "on" your 401K, though, you mean … | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 01:36 PM |
| 1 | What do thye Next Four Years Mean for MGTOW Men?Yeah, no shit. If I were a guy going to college now, I'd just avoid women entirely. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/21 01:27 PM |
| 1 | What do thye Next Four Years Mean for MGTOW Men?Oh, I see. Yeah, we're saying two different things. I was referring to Biden's stated intention of rolling back the changes Trump and Betsy Voss made to the way campus "sexual assault" allegations are handled. As you may know, Trump and Voss gave men some legal rights back in the situation. Biden is going to roll those rights back and revert things to how they were under Obama. The men will have no right to confront their accuser and no right to legal representation. I feel bad for men in colleg… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/21 11:10 PM |
| 2 | Pay attention. She will tell you all you need to know.I just want to urge you to be careful. I can't tell you the number of highly intelligent, successful men I know (doctors, lawyers, etc.) who've been brought low by borderlines. Just be careful. I'm a psychologist (retired now), I've worked with lots of borderlines and know them pretty well. They can be very sexually and emotionally attractive. They are very good at bonding and the "passion" you describe and can be very attractive to guys like you (or me), who are kind of "timid," as you say and … | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/21 02:02 PM |
| 2 | Pay attention. She will tell you all you need to know.She sounds borderline. That dramatic switch between hot and cold is a giveaway. Sometimes this can be a function of age (like, if she's 14 or 15). But if we're talking about an adult woman, that's a massive red flag. I'd say it sounds very much like the way someone with borderline personality disorder acts. If you're curious, you might look that up and see if there are other borderline criteria that she matches. By the way, borderline women can be very seductive, exciting, and alluring. They can… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/21 01:40 PM |
| 1 | What do thye Next Four Years Mean for MGTOW Men?Sorry, how is reversing what Trump did with colleges going to cost feminists billions of dollars? I don't understand. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/21 01:35 PM |
| 4 | Virgin with no rage?Yeah, I was one of those shy guys myself. I had a lot of social anxiety. In the end, dealing with those issues made me a stronger person, with lots of understanding and coping skills I wouldn't have otherwise. But man, it was a hard road. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/21 01:34 PM |
| 6 | Virgin with no rage?Yes, I think you are fortunate that you don't suffer from the insecurities that a lot of guys your age do, when they're virgins. That's good. There must be something in you that recognizes your value doesn't depend on whether you get laid or not. Good for you, man. p.s. As someone else pointed out, I'm sure it helps that you know you CAN get laid, if you want to. It's not a situation where you badly want it but can't get it. That's a tougher situation to be in, because then it feels more like yo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/21 12:00 AM |
| 3 | Pay attention. She will tell you all you need to know.Yup. It's a huge red flag. It means: 1) she attracts abusive people because of her own issues, or else she imagines abuse where there is none (so any criticism or conflict will be enough for her to label you abusive) 2 she has no insight into her own role in the problems; she cannot take responsibility for herself and instead externalizes everything 3) she is prone to blaming others and indulging in self-pity, both really primitive and destructive characteristics. Walk off the lot. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 11:57 PM |
| 3 | Pay attention. She will tell you all you need to know.Ha, thanks for adding your stats to the pile. Sounds like you've done some research. I have to say, though, I like most dogs more than most people, too, so I'm not holding their love of dogs against them (although you said "obsessed with," which may go a little beyond what I'm imagining). | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 11:48 PM |
| 3 | Pay attention. She will tell you all you need to know.I saved your post, because I that's valuable data from a guy near the top of the sex chain. All the stats are interesting, but I'll just comment on these two: Claimed to be abused or come out of an abusive relationship (some even sending pics of bruises for sympathy within the first week.) 10/10. Wow -- 100% of the women presented themselves as victims of abuse. All of the women played the victim card. On mental health meds: 7/10. Yikes, that's a very high percentage. And that's just the ones wh… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 11:38 PM |
| 2 | On finding something that enriches my lifeHow do YOU of all people want to give me advice?! Because you posted a thread asking for advice? You sound very offended and upset. Sorry to hear you've taken my input that way, but I guess I'm not too surprised. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 05:05 PM |
| 4 | My Braveheart mommentAh, the light at the end of the tunnel has finally arrived. Very nice. Congratulations on pushing that boulder up the hill for the past decade. Must've been very difficult at times. Enjoy your financial freedom. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 01:16 PM |
| 5 | On finding something that enriches my lifeOther people set a goal and work towards it. I am not even aware of the existence of many goals one could have. I have my information from the internet, the well-known bubble I am in. I sometimes go to wikipedia and click on random article to get out of this, but all I find are unimportant people. I want to know something new that enriches my life. Which is understandable, but I want to ask you, are you being passive about this and asking us to solve your problem for you, or are you taking res… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 01:13 PM |
| 3 | What do thye Next Four Years Mean for MGTOW Men?You really think a politician is going to keep his promise? lol Re. this promise, yes, you bet. Your second paragraph explains why: it's what his puppeteers want. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 01:01 PM |
| 12 | What do thye Next Four Years Mean for MGTOW Men?He's already set to reverse the college stuff. It'll be one of his first acts as Prez. I feel sorry for men in colleges. Not a good situation for them at all. My main concern is the economy. It's currently riding high, but a lot of that is repeated artificial stimulus on borrowed money (on top of trillions of debt) and optimism about the virus/lockdown improving. I am no better at predicting the markets than anyone else, but that can't go on forever, and it's built on sand. I would not be surpri… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/01/21 07:57 PM |
| 1 | When did you first hear of MGTOW? What was your reaction compared to now?About 3 years ago, via Youtube. My first reaction was to pull back. My impression was that they were too cynical and made a lot of overly negative generalizations about women. But I was also curious, because I'd never heard this sort of talk before. So I continued to watch, with this mix of curiosity and judgment. Eventually, I started to hear things that made sense to me. Then I started to hear things that made a LOT of sense to me -- things I'd never heard before, and things that upended my lo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/01/21 01:20 PM |
| 2 | So I went on a tinder date last night after a long couple of years of MGTOWHere you go. This is Joker's video on the subject. The actual stat was 91%, not 85. https://youtu.be/zEhdL4msL98?t=597 | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/01/21 01:13 PM |
| 2 | Girl told me that if I dont marry I cant baptize my child!Thoughts on civil partnership!That's good. Personally, I still wouldn't enter into a legal contract where I could lose half my assets, but it's up to you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/01/21 04:22 PM |
| 1 | I’m 34m, Should I move out from parents?Strawman plus false assumptions. He talks about his parents being "generous" and himself paying "a small amount of rent." Put two and two together. At age 34, he is at least partly a financial dependent on his parents. Time for the middle-aged birdy to fly the nest. Fly and be free, middle-aged birdy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/01/21 01:03 PM |
| 1 | How to utilize my 20s?Be careful about taking life advice from random strangers on the internet. If you want to know how to improve yourself, how to "get a fruitful life and retirement," then dig in and study those subjects. There are plenty of resources out there for curious minds. Nothing can take the place of your own work, introspection, and study. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 12:21 PM |
| 8 | How to utilize my 20s?I think that (#3) is too extreme and sets you up for personal dysfunction in the workplace and in life generally. You can't go about your life avoiding interaction with half the population. That's silly and unnecessary, and it harms you. Don't avoid women; just learn how to deal with them. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 12:17 PM |
| 1 | Are most MGTOWs incels in denial?Nope. Whoever said that doesn't comprehend MGTOW and is just using slurs to attack and denigrate it. Having said that, though, there are forums (like the original reddit mgtow forum) that could lead one to that conclusion, because there is so much negativity toward women there ("women bad!"). We make fun of that here. But people who only see the original reddit mgtow forum, and make judgements based only on that, will come away with a negative and distorted view of MGTOW. MGTOW is basically abou… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 12:14 PM |
| 1 | How much Self-Improvement is too much?As for the question of when "self-improvement" goes awry, I'd suggest two barometers: First, when "self-improvement" makes you increasingly dissatisfied and discontent with your self or life, that's a sign that it might be unhelpful. Granted, sometimes dissatisfaction is a good motivator (e.g., maybe there's a bad habit you need to kick). But there are a lot of self-improvement gurus who push for ever-greater heights of "excellence" or "success" or whatever they're trying to sell you on. While… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 12:00 PM |
| 2 | Are there any good ways to help lonely men out?I think contributing to MGTOW forums is one way to do that. You support your fellow men, your "brothers in arms," so to speak, and you help them to bear their burdens. I know you asked about "irl," but I just want to point us back to our fellow men in these forums. They're often asking for help, and so trying to support and advise them is worthwhile, both for you and them. p.s. If you really want to help lonely men irl, you could do volunteer work for, or otherwise support, an organization that … | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 11:39 AM |
| 4 | Who watches coach greg adams?Yeah, I watch Coach Greg quite a bit. He's got a talent for talking off the cuff. Most other content providers use articles as a launching point, but he just talks/preaches. He is repetitive, but so are all content providers in this area, and it's very intentional on his part. He's good enough on the mike that he could host a radio show if he wanted to. I've grown to like Replicant Phish a lot lately, too, so I want to give him a mention. His videos used to be more somber and introspective, but … | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 11:36 AM |
| 6 | A thoughtful question.You're asking if it's worthwhile to pursue an LTR with a woman who isn't after your resources? Sure, it can be for some men. Not for me, personally. I'm 59. Over the past 13 years, I've checked into dating sites periodically, just to see what's out there. I've always come to the conclusion that there's no one out there who I am interested in pursuing. I have a lot of reasons for this, which I won't bore you with, since the situation is different for every man. But the pattern has always been 1) … | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 11:18 AM |
| 2 | I’m 34m, Should I move out from parents?I’m 34 and should really be living on my own Yeah, afraid so. Living independently is the responsible thing to do. You are right to feel your conscience nibbling at you. It's not right to be a (partial) dependent on your parents at this age, in your mid-30s. Moving out, and living on your own is the responsible thing to do. Yes, it will be a bit more expensive, but you owe it to yourself and to your parents to fly the coop already. I think you will respect yourself more, once you do it. You'll a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/01/21 11:06 AM |
| 9 | Motivation for all the men out thereWell, depends on your goal. If my goal is to be an NBA star, there's more standing in the way than my story. For starters, there's the fact that I'm 59 years old, not very athletic, and 5' 7". | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 06:51 PM |
| 6 | SleepYeah, that's called rumination. I'm prone to it, too, sometimes. It does interfere with sleep. I don't have any magic solutions, but exercise helps; so does studying a little bit about the subject. There are various self-help strategies out there (e.g., cognitive-behavioral, meditation, etc.), some of which might work for you. p.s. Re. does MGTOW help with sleep, yes. I get much better sleep alone. When I was with a partner, I could never get good sleep. They were always touching me, throwing th… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 12:17 PM |
| 3 | MGTOW Discipline and ObservationGood, man. Thanks for writing that out. I agree with all of it, although I don't think I feel the responsibility to "fight for a just society" that you do. That's more of an MRA thing. I'm more motivated by self-protection and self-improvement, rather than a desire to change society or external conditions. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Went on 2 Dates This Week...Right, it does make things a lot easier. You're not all wrapped up in getting validation from a woman. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 12:10 PM |
| 8 | All men should do the following - checklist for the future? help me outI'd add invest in personal growth and self-development. You've got that partially covered under stoicism, but that's just one example. There are hundreds of other possibilities. I'd disagree a little with #6, "avoid western women, full stop." Never have any sort of relationship, even a short-term one, with any woman in a western country, ever? I think that's going to set the man up for lack of real-world experience and consequent lack of confidence in going his own way, potential FOMO, and even … | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 12:06 PM |
| 1 | Girl told me that if I dont marry I cant baptize my child!Thoughts on civil partnership!If the assets are split in half, how does that differ from marriage? Is there reduced risk of alimony or something like that? | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 11:51 AM |
| 2 | Do Men generally live better in Solitude than Women?Yeah. I think it's always good to remember that when we're making generalizations, we're usually dealing in averages that obscure large variations in individual differences. Think of the typical bell curve, for instance. Generalizations look at the average tendency, but they tend to ignore the huge spread of variation. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 11:50 AM |
| 1 | Can any MGTOW man explain the idea behind this thought ?You're welcome. I agree that his statements about therapy can seem pretty one-sided and harsh, even foolish at first glance, especially if you just hear the brief version. There is some nuance to his thinking, though, and it's based on years of experience in the mental health field. Re. his phrasing, I remember Elam saying once that he used to say things in a tactful and nuanced way, but no one paid any attention. So he shifted to this more direct, harsh style (which I think comes naturally to h… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 11:39 AM |
| 5 | the key mental pillars necessary for self-improvementYes, that's the Serenity Prayer, by Reinhold Neibuhr. It was popularized by the 12-step communities (AA, etc.) and has made its way into the popular culture. It's very helpful. The wording is a little different, though. It goes like this: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference." | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/21 11:22 AM |
| 1 | Girl told me that if I dont marry I cant baptize my child!Thoughts on civil partnership!You'd have to check with your individual church. They all have different rules about baptism. Some are more liberal than others. No, MGTOW wouldn't form civic partnerships. At least if I understand it correctly, that refers to some type of legal arrangement. MGTOW want to keep the government out of their relationships. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 11:26 PM |
| 11 | Can any MGTOW man explain the idea behind this thought ?That was Paul Elam (and the woman's name is Cassie Jaye). Paul Elam is big in MRA. He's a therapist himself. He's written several articles on this topic. His basic stance is that almost all therapy is gynocentric in nature, and almost all therapists (especially couples therapists) take a gynocentric view of things and end up blaming the man. He is quite vicious in his descriptions of how crappy a lot of therapists are. He does not mean men shouldn't go to any therapist, ever. Elam has a bombasti… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 11:14 PM |
| 2 | Advice on getting the best out of yourself?You're describing a lot of negative thoughts, self-perceptions, and social awkwardness as the problem, but when you describe your solutions, it's exercise, eating well, and getting sleep. You've got an internal problem, but you're using external solutions. I don't mean that eating right and getting exercise won't help you feel better in general; they will. BUt if you've got a pattern of negative thinking about yourself and self-defeating interpersonal behaviors, you have to find solutions that a… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 11:05 PM |
| 10 | Do Men generally live better in Solitude than Women?Yes, I think men -- on average -- are better at living alone than women. That's because, by nature, men are more inclined toward independence than women. However, these are generalizations and not true of everyone. I know many men who are very dependent and could not tolerate aloneness, and I know plenty of women who are independent and live happily alone. So as a generalization it's true, but not in every individual case. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 10:55 PM |
| 9 | the key mental pillars necessary for self-improvementI'm sure that's a helpful assist to a lot of younger guys. I'd add a couple things: The idea of acceptance. This has been very pivotal for me, and it's a concept I came back to over and over. There are plenty of things that it's best not to fight or try to overcome, but just accept. Like other people's behavior, for instance, or the way the world is. It's not just external stuff, but some of the internals you mention, too -- emotions and even thoughts. Many of our thoughts are not as easily cont… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 10:50 PM |
| 9 | Do i have to be single to follow MGTOW?Is this within the MGTOW ideology’s parameters? It's not really an ideology, but sure. The general rules for most MGTOW are avoid marriage and cohabitation, and don't get someone pregnant. As long as you're doing that, you're under the broad MGTOW umbrella. Most MGTOW avoid long-term relationships, though, so you might get flak for that occasionally, or you might find things you read dissonant (e.g., some of the things that are said about women or relationships may seem unfair or overly negative… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 12:38 PM |
| 2 | A lost soul is starting to see things and need counselingPart of what he's saying is wait until you're 30+, the tables will turn. In the meantime, don't put too much energy into trying to get women to like or approve of you. Put your efforts into self-improvement, bettering your own situation. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 12:25 PM |
| 1 | A lost soul is starting to see things and need counselingI don't have an answer to your questions, but I wanted to thank you for your post. That's an interesting and disturbing look into how much validation and attention young women get, and how it leads directly to disrespect for men. I'm glad I'm not a part of it. It would be hard to sustain your self-esteem, in a system like that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 12:23 PM |
| 12 | A guy told me that MGTOW is not the real deal.What are your views? He is confused and mistaken on nearly everything he says. I'll take it apart briefly. His logic was that women don’t need to make an effort to get laid or even be in a relationship so they can’t be bothered and are hence not marrying. He's projecting male motives for marriage on to females, meaning he doesn't understand the difference between why men and women get married. That's a big gap in knowledge. He's assuming that women seek marriage for sex. That's silly. Women seek… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 12:12 PM |
| 4 | Advice for young dudes, this pickup artist (PUA) stuff is a waste of time.I've learned some basics about human/female nature from some PUAs, so I don't think it's all bad or useless. For some guys, it can help them develop skills they didn't have or overcome fears of rejection. However, I completely agree with this statement. For me, it sums up the whole issue: Being a PUA is all about revolving your life around female validation. Such a thing is a fruitless pursuit because women are frivolous. Sex is good. But when you spend so much of your life around frivolous thin… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 11:44 AM |
| 15 | Confession Of A Father Of One Of the Very Women That Have Caused Men To Go Their Own WayHis daughter. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 11:39 AM |
| 6 | Confession Of A Father Of One Of the Very Women That Have Caused Men To Go Their Own WayProbably is on disability (i.e., supported by the government). If not now, she will be soon. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 11:37 AM |
| 6 | Confession Of A Father Of One Of the Very Women That Have Caused Men To Go Their Own WayIf she's got diabetes in her 30s, is obese, drinks heavily, and eats junk food, she's headed for an early grave. She sounds like a selfish and sick person. Bummer for her. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/21 11:35 AM |
| 5 | “I don’t mean to offend you, but are you gay?”Yeah, that's been my experience. Whenever I've been asked the "Why are you single?" question, the woman has always been upset, hurt, or offended by my answer -- despite the fact that my reasons have nothing to do with her personally, at all. I was just saying it's a hypothetical possibility that someone might ask the question out of genuine curiosity, almost clumsily. But I agree, in my experience, it's always either 1) trying to figure you out as a potential mate; i.e., fishing, or 2) some kind… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:50 PM |
| 4 | Easy MGTOW financial advice (for even low income dudes)Yeah, this is a really important principle, financially. It leads to financial independence, later in life. Keeps you out of wage slavery, gives you latitude and freedom. In addition to the tips above, I'd also add: Unplug from the materialistic and consumeristic society around you. That's very important. Documentaries like Affluenza (a bit outdated) can help, along with reading in the area of simplicity or minimalism. Free yourself of the need to "keep up with the Joneses" or to advertise your … | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:40 PM |
| 5 | “I don’t mean to offend you, but are you gay?”That's a weird question to ask, and it does have a hint of insult in it, albeit a lame insult. However, I can also imagine it being asked out of pure curiosity, without malice, from a person who is socially clumsy or insensitive. I'd have to sniff out the intent. If I felt the intent was insulting/shaming, I'd probably smirk and scoff at them. If I believed they were basically curious but clumsy and tactless, I'd just answer honestly, "No. Why?" | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:30 PM |
| 4 | So I went on a tinder date last night after a long couple of years of MGTOWI don't know if you saw the recent videos about the guy who went on 100 dates. Iirc, he said that 85% of the women "couldn't get off their phones." | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:22 PM |
| 1 | What does it feel like to be MGTOW?Yeah, I hear you. If you express that you have standards, women (or male feminists) get upset. I've had that happen a number of times. For instance, I'll say, "I'm not attracted to older women," and they say, "You're a misogynist" and "Oh my god, how superficial!" I've learned to just laugh at it. It's clear that it's coming from their own defensiveness. Of course you're allowed to have standards. It would be idiotic not to have standards. I'm a lot like the person you describe -- introverted, l… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 02:57 PM |
| 3 | Interesting thought I had today.Cool, thanks for the thoughtful post. This is a little tangential, but it reminded me of a list I made when I was younger -- "What Women Want." I wish I'd kept it, just for the laughs. This was back in the 80s, when I was much younger. I remember I had 42 items on the list. Poor simp I was, I tried to cultivate all those qualities in myself. What a job! And like I say, that was back in the 80s. I can't imagine what such a list would look like now. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Size doesn't matter and here's why.You lost me at "she's not the one." I do agree that dick length isn't all it's cracked up to be. Women like it to some degree, and certainly a mini-weenie is going to be an issue, but most men overestimate the importance of this. It's much more important how you behave sexually, and that encompasses a lot more than dick length. In the end, though, I don't really care. MGTOW is about being indifferent to female validation. I don't really care what women think of the size of my dick. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 12:26 PM |
| 2 | Strong successful maleI think he's fine, but I don't have the patience to listen to someone read me an article. I can read that same article 10 times faster than they can read it to me. If someone is going to read an article, I'd prefer they put it on screen. That way, I can pause the video and read the article quickly, rather than waiting for them to read it out loud. But SSM doesn't include that option. For that reason, I don't watch his channel. I just don't have the patience to sit there while he is slowly readin… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 12:21 PM |
| 3 | Strong successful maleHi, Joker. Being booted from the original mgtow subreddit is a badge of honor around here. Many people, including me, are in the same boat. If you don't toe the "women bad" line, you're kicked out. It's not much different than SJW/cancel culture safe spaces, in that regard. It doesn't represent all MGTOW, though, as I'm sure you know. Cheers and keep up the good work. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 12:18 PM |
| 2 | Hello, pretty new here. Can someone fill me in and help me?Yeah, good question. I think we need a little more specificity from the OP. Just asking "How can I not hate myself" is a little broad. Narrow it down, OP. Why do you hate yourself? | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 12:11 PM |
| 3 | Guidance for a youngster?Well, a few observations... Your vocabulary is a little out of hand. You're probably turning people off, if you talk this way in real life. I have a vocabulary that's probably at the 99th percentile, but your first paragraph had me scratching my head twice. If you want to be understood, write more clearly and simply. Don't try to use 5 dollar words when a 50 cent one will do. It comes across like you're trying to impress. You're probably a lot more intelligent than the people around you, possibl… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 12:07 PM |
| 2 | What does it feel like to be MGTOW?Yeah, I get it. I'm an older guy, but it's clear to me that younger guys like you are in a no-win situation, because of the combination of feminism, social media, and online dating apps. Women are cued to spend their 20s "having fun," rather than try to find a good man. Even mediocre women have simps lined up around the block, validating them, so their heads get inflated, their expectations get all out of whack. Even if you can capture her attention for a while, you have to continue to be a perf… | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:55 AM |
| 1 | What does it feel like to be MGTOW?This is true. We tend to idealize the 50s now, but they were not something I'd want to revisit. It was an era of conformity. 95% of men all followed the same social script for their lives -- be a "good" guy, climb the organizational ladder, get married, spend your life energy to provide for your family, suppress your individuality, restrict your emotional expression -- live out the program like everyone else. Their lives were almost completely determined by the social scripts of the day. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:44 AM |
| 2 | What does it feel like to be MGTOW?That's a lot of negative affect -- anger, disdain, apathy, disappointment. I hope you get to the point where you can feel *good* about going your own way. There are many positive aspects to it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:29 AM |
| 1 | Membership countI can imagine that's true. I haven't visited there since I got booted, about 6 months back (for saying that men don't unconditionally love women). I lost all interest in the place, at that point. Any forum that allows their mods to wield complete and arbitrary power, and who perma-ban people because they express views that differ from the prevailing dogma, is no better than any cancel-culture SJW hangout. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/21 11:23 AM |
| 4 | Membership countRight, I'm sure that's a concern, as it grows larger. Seems like the mods are doing a good job of keeping it on track. I'm sure that's not an easy task some days. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/01/21 08:15 PM |
| 8 | Membership countThey're probably getting tossed because they aren't toeing the party line -- which is a good thing. They're probably the saner ones. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/01/21 08:14 PM |
| 5 | Thank you to my MGTOW brothersYeah, that's true. If they agreed with us, we'd be in trouble. We're rocking the boat, so it's natural that they'd be upset at us. In a way, that's evidence we are doing something right. It reminds me of something a previous colleague told me, when I was first learning the ropes of my job. I had made some enemies, and I was talking to him about it. He said, "If you aren't making enemies, you aren't doing your job right." I should clarify that my job involved making assessments of people who had … | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/01/21 11:14 AM |
| 3 | Career Choice for Going Your Own WayYou mentioned money and interest level, which are good considerations. One other criterion you might consider is meaning. Is there one of the choices that feels more meaningful to you? Is there one choice that feels like it *matters* more, maybe impacts you or others positively? That sort of consideration isn't important to some people. It was to me, though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 11:00 PM |
| 3 | Mountain MGTOW is back after disappearing 1 year ago. I was worried he went back on the blue pill. But no, YouTube deleted his channel and in the meantime: "My life is just getting better every day. I have more money, more time."I noticed he showed his face. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 10:46 PM |
| 28 | Thank you to my MGTOW brothersYeah, it's too bad MGTOW has a bad reputation. There are a lot of good men in MGTOW. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 10:45 PM |
| 3 | Look out for your fellow man. Sometimes a small gesture goes a long wayGood job, man. You've got a good heart. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 08:49 PM |
| 1 | HappinessYeah, it feels good to be liberated, doesn't it. To have your awareness expanded, to see and understand things you never did before. It's one of the greatest benefits of a mind that is open to learning. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Ghosting and red flagging after 1-2 dates?It tells you that women have a ton of options, because of dating apps and social media. If a conversation doesn't please her -- or doesn't please her enough -- she can just ghost and move on to the next guy. For most women, even mediocre-looking ones, there is a long line of men, ready to simp. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 04:52 PM |
| 5 | I think MGTOW has already prevented tens of thousands of suicidesRight. Good point. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 04:48 PM |
| 3 | Older married couples in general just disgust me nowHaha, that's funny. I live in the deep south, I'm about your age (a little older, 59), and I know the scene you're describing. It happens at most buffet places, after church lets out. To be fair, most people in the south are friendly, good folks. And you can also see some reasonably happy families in the mix, too -- it's not all complaining land whales.It's also fair to point out that men down here (and across the US) are just as fat as the women. Although we tend to notice the female land whale… | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 01:44 PM |
| 82 | I think MGTOW has already prevented tens of thousands of suicidesTrue. I'll throw in two other reasons MGTOW saves lives: It helps men avoid a big cause of suicide, which is divorce. Men's suicide rates double after divorce (women's stay the same). So as MGTOW steers men away from marriage, they save them from divorce and the suicides that often follow. It lets men know that they don't have to buy into the social programming of being a provider, a utility, a self-sacrificing mule strapped to a plow. That programming has ruined men's health and contributed to … | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 01:29 PM |
| 1 | 5 Reasons to be Red PillWow, that's screwed up. It makes the husband responsible for the wife's behavior. That's bad psychology and bad ethics. So if she cheats on him, it's his fault, and she gets a ready-made excuse. No wonder women like the church so much, heh. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 02:00 AM |
| 2 | Millions Of Men No Longer Want To Get Married, And You Can Thank The Government For ThatWell, that's great, man. Keep at it. You're helping. | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/12/20 01:53 AM |
| 1 | 5 Reasons to be Red PillIs that right? I'm not familiar with that part of the tradition. Why is the wife never at fault? Because the husband is head of the household, so somehow it falls on him? Or maybe it's because the church is generally so gynocentric? | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 11:35 PM |
| 3 | Millions Of Men No Longer Want To Get Married, And You Can Thank The Government For ThatThat's great, man. It shows what a good man you are. I like to do it myself. I don't really feel it's my obligation. I "selfishly" enjoy helping young men who are inexperienced and maybe confused. I was a confused, struggling young man once, too, and I can sympathize. Hopefully I can occasionally offer something of worth to them. It feels good to help like that. I feel like I'm doing something worthwhile. I get a little boost of good feeling from it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 11:34 PM |
| 2 | What To Do???I'd suggest keeping the focus on what you can learn from this. How can you grow? What do you need to learn? How can you learn it? Use your energies to make this experience work for you, rather than against you. In order to do that, you'll first need to detach from vengefulness and resentment. I forget who said it, but resentment is like preparing a poison for your enemy, then drinking it yourself. The only one it hurts is you. And it hurts you over and over ("re-sentiment," meaning feeling the s… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 07:57 PM |
| 2 | 5 Reasons to be Red PillWell, I disagree with parts of that (don't you talk about my momma), but on the whole, I think it's on target. I'd like to add one thing about #4, the religion aspect. Christianity has placed self-sacrifice as the highest virtue. According to the story, the ultimate hero (Jesus) is a man who loved others so much, he was willing to die a horrible death, to save them. The best man is the one who serves others, who gives himself for others, "empties himself in love" for others, is willing to die fo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 07:47 PM |
| 2 | Are you going to gRape me?"She has a history of mental health issues" Ah, well that makes more sense. Most 14 year old girls are kind of crazy, but she sounds more crazy than your average 14 year old. And the craziness is bound up with sexuality somehow (rape projections/fears/fantasies), which makes it dangerous for you. I'm not surprised you want to put some distance between yourself and them. I would, too. I completely support protecting yourself. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 07:37 PM |
| 5 | Are you going to gRape me?Well, that's very weird. A 14 year old girl's brain can definitely be a strange and illogical place, full of weird projections and phantoms. Who knows what's going on in that head of hers. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 07:29 PM |
| 7 | Are you going to gRape me?Wow, that's pretty weird. Did it just come out of the blue, or was there some sort of context for her remark? That's a pretty weird thing to say out of the blue like that. But I guess a lot of young girls are exposed to the "male perpetrator" stereotype, so she's just projecting that. Or maybe she's frightened, or maybe she has some sexual abuse issues of her own? Who knows. Anyhow, what I would do (and take this fwiw, I don't know your particular situation) is to document very carefully what ha… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 02:38 PM |
| 41 | Millions Of Men No Longer Want To Get Married, And You Can Thank The Government For ThatThat was a surprisingly fair article, especially on a site for women. It even mentioned MGTOW without frothing at the mouth. p.s. I enjoyed reading the comments section. I'm encouraged to see this information getting out there. The laws may not be changing, but at least more men are becoming aware of these problems. Much credit goes to the men who've been through the divorce mill and have spent their energies warning the younger men. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 01:50 PM |
| 4 | I'm about to divorce my wife and I'm scaredYeah, I'd echo that. I had a very similar experience with my divorce. We paid $800 to a single lawyer who drew it up. 50/50 split of assets. It went as smoothly and as amicable as could be expected. She didn't try any retaliatory tricks. We talked throughout the divorce and remained on friendly terms for many years afterwards. I agree with the other guys, though, that it's best to protect yourself, in case she turns into a vindictive harpie. Reading between the lines in what you've written, ther… | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 01:44 PM |
| 2 | I'm about to divorce my wife and I'm scaredGood judgment. :) | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/12/20 01:37 PM |
| 1 | USA Today Journalist hoping to interview people influenced by MGTOW movementReally well said! I hope he reads your response and integrates it into his thinking. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/20 10:58 AM |
| 3 | PSA: Please don't engage contact with 'USA Today' correspondent Will Carless in regards to MGTOW lifestyle/philosophiesI emailed him, saying I'd be willing to help. He didn't reply. Not sure why. I will just let it drop. I wouldn't mind giving my two cents. I think I could describe MGTOW in a reasonable way that might help dispell some of the more hateful rhetoric around it. I'm pretty good at explaining things simply and clearly. Of course, he could just ignore everything I say and select others' more negative quotes to support a picture of MGTOW as hateful and extremist. But I figured I'd at least give it a sh… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/20 10:53 AM |
| 1 | Ten Reasons It's Good to be Alone on ChristmasYeah, that sounds like a good day to me. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/20 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Ten Reasons It's Good to be Alone on ChristmasYeah, families do that sort of split a lot, where one kid is seen as the good kid and the other as the problem child. I think boys get branded as the problem child more often than the girls, for a variety of reasons. That's unfortunate you got stuck with it. The main thing is to not let their treatment define you or shape your self-image. Easier said than done of course. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/20 06:57 PM |
| 3 | Controversial question : -masks and lockdowns-Depends how they're implemented. I don't mind if I have to wear a mask when I go into a crowded shopping center. I would mind very much if masks were mandated to be worn outside at all times. I think their benefits are exaggerated, and I think there is a lot of fear driving it. Otoh, I understand the fear and the desire to do what we can to mitigate risk, so I'm fine with occasionally masking up. I just don't want government orders to do it all the time. It hasn't come to that yet, fortunately. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/20 01:06 PM |
| 3 | Which countries are not cucked like India and Canada?In terms of USA, it's true that identity politics/SJW/feminist nonsense has been on the rise for decades and is probably going to accelerate with the recent election. However, I'd just add that your exposure to the nonsense depends a lot on where you choose to live. The USA, after all, is a big place, and it's not all the same. Some parts of the country -- the east and west coasts in particular -- are dominated by these sorts of politics. But the southern part of the country, and parts of the mi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/20 12:56 PM |
| 24 | I failedOuch. Well, I see you're not receiving much empathy or compassion from the rest of the crew, lol, so let me chime in with a bit of that. It sounds like you've suffered a really significant setback and business failure. You tried really hard, got wrapped up in it, and had high hopes, but it failed. You're feeling really disappointed and dejected, as well as anxious and ashamed. You're blaming yourself and feeling like a failure. Whew, that's a lot to deal with. I'm sorry you're going through that… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/20 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Need Final Boss HelpThe thing is, I dont want to do that anymore. I hate myself every time I wake up hungover like why did I do that? It has gone from every day to about 4 times a month, but I know when I start drinking the outcome, and I still put myself in that spot... Does anyone know why?? How can I motivate myself to not, as I do sometimes, but it still creeps up about 3-4 times a month. Well, sure. That's a common sign of alcohol dependence. You keep doing something that gives you serious negative consequen… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/12/20 02:39 PM |
| 3 | Whenever I tell a woman I don’t want kids, somehow I’m in the wrong.I don't think it's really that they see you as "wrong," like you're a bad person or something. I think it's that they cannot wrap their heads around it. For women, having children is a hugely important drive. It's what is most meaningful to them, central to what is most important in life (for most of them, anyhow). So it's like you're an alien or something. They cannot understand your perspective. It's too far outside their realm of experience to grasp. So they look at you funny, like you're wei… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/12/20 02:33 PM |
| 9 | 5 Traits of Sigma Males (MGTOW are Sigma Males)This is okay, except, as usual, it's completely flattering. It's very easy to say "Yeah, that sounds like me" because it puffs your ego up. A few examples: pictures of male icons, "you don't care what others think," "you have all the traits of an alpha," "women highly desire you," etc. Get real. If you're going to describe a personality type, it can't all be filled with highly flattering praise. It has to be a well-rounded description, with good traits and bad traits, strengths and weaknesses. T… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/12/20 11:45 PM |
| 8 | Older MGTOW...Good advice from the other old coots on the forum. They've spoken some of my thoughts, so I won't repeat, but I'll add a little. For context: I'm 59, was married and divorced, haven't dated in 13 years, and retired a couple years ago. I'm happier and healthier than I have ever been. One of the big advantages of getting older is that your hormones and sex drive diminish substantially. And at the same time, women in your "bracket," let's say (assuming you don't want to chase younger tail) are hitt… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/12/20 09:15 PM |
| 2 | Older MGTOW...Well said. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/12/20 08:58 PM |
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