The case for Marriage

DangZagnut · 2019-09-15T19:04:56+00:00

if it works out with your wife

That's a pretty damn big #IF considering the penalties.

Not all end up in court with the woman taking your cash.

Not all snakes with fangs are venomous, so no reason to take that risk.

Statistics means what other people are doing. I don't care what other people are doing.

That there is some financial gain & tax breaks

Some minor financial gain and tax breaks. I can donate to a maxed out 401k and get better tax breaks, and ironically, those same tax breaks only take affect if there's a huge disparity in income, which causes exactly the divorce rape one is trying to avoid.

If I'm desperate for more money, marriage isn't the go to. I can be an uber driver on the weekend and make up for any shortfall.

But I believe it is healthy to consider opposing viewpoints every once in a while instead of circle-jerking reaffirming stances 100% of the time.

That's true, but this isn't a political position. This isn't some decision based on metrics. This is an "issue' that's more than just some government supplied math. There's all sorts of vectors against it, philosophical, psychological, financial, legal, etc. If it was just one avenue of attack, such as, "welfare just takes my tax money and gives it to poor stupid people", one can argue pros and cons in that position and use statistics. MGTOW just isn't that simple unfortunately.

But can be fun discussion anyway.

Dls95405 · 2019-09-15T12:47:25+00:00

I've known a handful of happily married couples in my life. I've known hundreds, especially the men, who were absolutely miserable before and after the divorce. IMO it would be insane to ever get married. It's a way outdated institution.

801735 · 2019-09-15T16:46:59+00:00

the 46% divorce statistics

46%?

their deeds

Deeds? What deeds?

NohoTwoPointOh · 2019-09-15T17:49:36+00:00

I see nothing about the state being part of the marriage contract.

PubliusVirgilius · 2019-09-15T17:36:55+00:00

Getting married is like playing russian roulette, the only difference is that the probability of getting the bullet is much higher.

The society and laws have changed, marriage is not working anymore.

BobbingForBunions · 2019-09-15T16:50:28+00:00

For me, it's not that all women are bad or marriage is always a terrible idea. I don't focus on such absolutes.

My focus is on risk and discrimination. Here's what I mean...

First, risk. Life is filled it. Every decision we make carries with it the potential for a bad outcome. Sometimes, the risk is negligible, so it may be worth taking. An example is buying a lottery ticket. We risk $1. Big deal. Sometimes, the risk is substantial, and therefore not worth taking. An example is getting married. You could potentially lose your business, your credit, your investments, half your paycheck, etc.

Second, discrimination. I'm not talking about race, religion, or any such things. I'm talking about the fact that we live with limited resources (time, money, attention, etc.). We cannot have everything, so we must choose from among our options. For example, we can choose to get married or experience a life of sexual freedom with countless partners. Rarely both.

Personally, given the risk inherent in attaching myself to women and the fact that I have limited time and money available to live the life I want to live, I choose to ignore most women.

I'm not saying that's the right choice for everyone. But it's definitely the right choice for me.

soelc3 · 2019-09-15T12:47:49+00:00

46%

As u/account4189 once said:

even 5% is too high. you're talking about a lifetime of support for a person that will most likely either despise or resent you - if not immediately then eventually. and if you aren't the breadwinner - the ripcord is just going to get pulled earlier because of hypergamy.

even if the laws were "fair" - hypergamy and Briffault put the man in a weaker bargaining position. a lifetime of capital investment and labor and you don't even get symmetrical love from the wife in the bargain.

that's how little a man's life is worth - in that he has to sell it to a woman completely for a shot at reproduction - and with uncertain paternity.

men > women > children > puppies.

man needs to seek love from God because he won't find it in woman.

chalchium · 2019-09-15T15:39:58+00:00

that marriage is a great enhancement if it works out with your wife

This line is wrong. Even in the hippie blue-pilled world, it is common sense that happy people makes happy couples, not the other way round. Most marriages/romantic association fail because most people are miserable throughout their lives. They eat, consume and fuck until they die, without a single thought about why they are here. Just go on a date, how many girls you can run into whose hobby is "movies, netflix, travel, shopping, kids, cats"? Guys aren't that better. If both parties just passively accept whatever life throws at them, there is no excitement in life. Even if they are not married, they would still be miserable. Marriage just adds more salt into it.

mechgaige · 2019-09-15T14:53:45+00:00

Keep dreaming pal. What you just said is the mental gymnastics of someone who actually doesn't understand MGTOW at all.

It's ok, this path isn't for everyone.

DonMelbourne · 2019-09-15T13:20:52+00:00

But I believe it is healthy to consider opposing viewpoints every once in a while instead of circle-jerking reaffirming stances 100% of the time.

I think that is a fair point, BUT, since MGTOW is a cost/benefit analysis, MGTOWs should by definition have already considered the potential benefit versus the potential cost of marriage. I agree that MGTOW shouldn't be about automatically rejecting marriage. You become MGTOW (or realise you are MGTOW) AFTER considering the costs and benefits.

30203forever · 2019-09-15T13:10:50+00:00

Here is my case for marriage:

If your wife can kick you out of your house and take your kids away from you, those are not your wife, children or the house. The case ends.

re_all · 2019-09-15T12:49:54+00:00

That there is some financial gain & tax breaks.

If one was to present to a financially-oriented professional the statistical risk/reward liability/benefit ratio of the "Contractual Agreement" that is marriage with purpose-built obscure language to mask that is "Marriage" and a "Contract" between two entities.

The financial professional would call "Marriage" a great deal... for the woman. And absolute stupidity for the man.

Example =

In this contract; (COMPANY A) agrees to provide for (COMPANY B) even if (B) does not contribute, comfort, or provide for any of the needs of (A)

(COMPANY A) Also agrees that if the revenue of (A) exceeds a certain amount, and the contract is dissolved irregardless of the circumstance, (A) will pay (COMPANY B) a stipend of their profits into perpetuity.

If (A) and (B) produce a product, the product will become primarily the sole possession of (B) but (A) will be financially responsible for for the product, until the product reaches maturity, or 18 years, whichever happens first.

But at the same time, this devotion enabled Ants to be the most widespread Species of Insects

Are you seriously comparing the proliferation of ants as an indication of success?

Is that the only worth while metric that all of humanity should regard as success? Do you have anything else to offer up in your "Case for Marriage"?

Your case is very weak, and has fallacies in logic that are so painfully obvious that I wonder if your entire post was intended as satire.

Joroda · 2019-09-15T23:57:32+00:00

Only if you are comfortable being powerless.

Title	The case for Marriage
Author	Iceklimber
Upvotes	18
Comments	24
Date	September 15, 2019 12:02 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
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