What do you think about therapy?

MGTOW_BEASTMODE · 2020-06-12T16:50:48+00:00

Therapist: "Let's talk about that deep dark thing that happened.. really picture it.. get a good solid grasp..OH TIMES UP SEE YOU IN A MONTH" That will be 200 bucks.

Fuck that.

Introthink · 2020-06-12T14:39:35+00:00

Well, it depends on who you talk to and understand the situation in a professional manner.

Original_Username7 · 2020-06-12T15:18:58+00:00

I’ve found a accomplish much more through research and reading therapy books than through therapy. I really like the YouTube channel Therapy In A Nutshell, start there at least.

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ScreamingHippy · 2020-06-12T14:09:09+00:00

Useless.

ExItGuy · 2020-06-12T18:15:38+00:00

It can help if you have the right therapist. I went to one after my divorce and she helped me sort things out and stop trying to figure out what I did wrong. Our society preaches if a couple splits, it's always the man's fault and that if we blame someone else, we get called a victim.

She helped me realize it wasn't my fault after all and even though I'm not perfect, neither was my exwife or anyone else.

I ended up taking a break from trying to find someone and decided I liked being on my own and have been that way ever since. I also went no contact with the ex and the inlaws, which also helped.

This therapist was a licensed professional counselor who worked from the Christian World View as she called it, and even though I'm not religious or a church goer, it must have worked.

I later discovered that I was living the MGTOW way before I even knew MGTOW existed, and since it works for me, I'll stick with it.

pandanetz · 2020-06-12T19:13:31+00:00

Personally, useless, not worth the money, damaging instead of beneficial.

rockstarsheep · 2020-06-13T01:18:34+00:00

Depends on what you want out of it; and also who you're talking / sharing with. You need to do the work though. I'm a therapist, so ask away, if you like.

TheApricotCavalier · 2020-06-13T02:05:07+00:00

I think most therapists suck, and good ones are invaluable, but hard to find.

KratomFocus · 2020-06-15T02:25:55+00:00

Did not help. Paid some woman to literally tell me what I wanted to hear. Cost 100 bucks per session. Was seeing her for substance abuse. Had a seizure trying to detox myself from benzos and she discharged me citing liability concerns.

RealBiggly · 2020-06-12T10:52:02+00:00

if we're talking about going to SE Asia and having your cocked sucked every night for 2 weeks, absolutely.

If we're talking about paying someone to listen to you trying to sort your own head out, and then resorting to drugs, not so much, nah.

samizdatstudio · 2020-06-14T23:11:11+00:00

Great question, tonnes of variable factors. I've worked at a mental health and crisis management agency for a few years, and a few of my friends (former colleagues from there) are licenced clinical psychologists. I myself have had disthymia for most of my life (starting from early childhood) and have been on-and off antidepressents and therapy for most of adulthood.

Is it worth the time and money? Depends entirely on your degree of self awareness. Stripping aside all frivolities and being brutally honest, I'd say that it works for people who lack emotional maturity and general self awareness. It's great for kids and adolescents who haven't fully learned how to process their emotions, don't know how to articulate what they're feeling, or if you've experienced something really uniquely traumatic and haven't developed the lexicon to deal with it, then it's absolutely worth it to get someone to help give you the tools to process what you're going through. BUT, if the source of your mental health issues is less to do with abuse or trauma and more to do with profound existential depression, then it can feel extremely banal, platitudious, tediously condescending, and generally pointless and ineffective.

TLDR, if you've been abused, it's good to talk about it, and worth it. If you can't get out of your own bed because the prospect of existence is agonizing, then therapy will probably just be a frustrating waste of money.

Also, it's important to classify on the totem pole. At the very bottom are counsellors - people who have just taken a meaningless course to get a basic certification to give people generic advice and resolve internal conflicts. Then there are therapists - who exist on a very broad spectrum and have specialized focus areas and are better to talk to but not qualified to diagnose serious conditions. Clinical psychologists are a tier above and can discuss more complex conditions and treat specialized disorders, but only through therapy (typically CBT- cognitive behavioral therapy) but they cannot technically diagnose chronic mental disorders or prescribe medication (ex. they can talk you through an eating disorder, but they can't prescribe antidepressants). Psychiatrists are the very top - they can do all the other stuff and also prescribe medication, treatments and procedures, and they can officially diagnose conditions that can be held up in court.

A counsellor will tell you to hold hands and sing kumbaya.
A therapist will tell you to talk about your feelings and point out patterns in your behavior and maybe give you some meditative / mindfulness exercises you can do on your own time.
A clinical psychologist will talk you through complex issues and help you arrive at your own breakthroughs by asking the right probing questions, and if they sense you need more help, they'll refer you to a psychiatrist.
A psychiatrist will give you meds and definitively diagnose your condidtion.

LinkmanXBP · 2020-06-12T11:15:45+00:00

I had a good experience with one psychologist and a bad experience with another.

Like everywhere, there are good and bad professionals.

Don't hesitate to test several of them and when you've found the right one, you'll feel it for yourself through the advice he'll give you.

My experience with the right one is worth the time and money I spent on it.

SprinterLyfe · 2020-06-12T11:42:50+00:00

I think therapy is inherently female. Talking through issues is the way most women solve problems.

As a man, I haven't found therapy to be beneficial at all, but I ascribe to various 12 step groups. This is action-oriented, built upon relationships, and is a structured way of dealing with any issue.

FIREDINKER · 2020-06-12T12:14:40+00:00

I’ve gone and it has been very useful for a few specific problems (motivation, poor eating habits). That, coupled with your own reading, is powerful.

My therapist helped me realize my last job was super Toxic. I left and got a raise. So in a way therapy has paid for itself...but even without that, I’d say it’s worth it.

ghostpath · 2020-06-12T12:14:41+00:00

I've had a few experiences with counsellors and therapists. I think they make things worse. They just feed off your suffering and don't offer any solutions.

What I found most helpful was studying Zen Buddhism and Zazen meditation. Suffering comes from attachment.

If you can free yourself of attachment and be wholly present in the moment, you can be free.

mutageno · 2020-06-12T12:43:54+00:00

The majority of therapists are a scam. They have an incentive for you to become addicted and keep paying them. Open your emotions to them and become a pussy. Even for the good ones you are the only one who can take you out of the hole.

Make a diary, find good friends to reach out to. Work out on what gives you negative feelings. Focus on your long term goals.

Best therapy in the world is to help other people. It gives you perspective and makes you relize your problems are not that bad. Go help at a soup kitchen or volunteer at a reasonable place like a library. Something very low key. Or even become a volunteer for something bigger like fire department or rescue programs. Most of those have programs. Avoid virtue signalling NGOs like the plague. Sadly MSF/Red Cross/UN*/etc. are completely taken over by radicals. Beware of religion as they'll use you, too. I'd try a small and local organization.

IH31C · 2020-06-12T14:06:42+00:00

I'm a single dad, 40. My son is 8 and for the past 8 years I was dealing with his mother who is a couple years older than me, thought she was a good friend of mine. For the longest time I was depressed, lonely and would take her advice because when we met in our 20's I was going through some shit and I thought she had the answer to my problems. We would fight a lot but I thought there was something wrong with me. Well guess what, she is batshit crazy and I'm taking her to court because I was giving her all my money to take care of our son. During my time with her I tried to quit drinking, went to AA meetings, even saw a therapist but finally getting rid of her and working on getting my shit together. I feel all that depression and anxiety gone.

Reading/watching and internalizing red-pill philosophy has helped me immensely. Don't listen to women to learn how to run your life. That was my mistake and that is a mistake I will help my son NOT to do. For the longest time I was looking for love and a woman to settle down with, I spent 2018-2019 approaching women PUA style and going on a lot of dates realizing that I enjoy being alone. On top of that I threw out a lot of things I wanted to do and loved to do because according to my sons mother and women I met I needed to "grow up." Fuck all that.

I am happier than I've ever been. If you decide to try therapy make sure you get man. Other than that all the therapy I need is from red-pill videos on Youtube and reading books. Pretty much there is a lifestyle that I want to achieve and goals I want to accomplish in life. As long as I'm working towards those goals every day I feel great. I love to travel so one of my goals is to get my pilot license. I want to understand how the world works so I read a lot of books to understand things that I want to know about like understanding how business and the financial system works.

Taguroizumo · 2020-06-12T13:19:17+00:00

If you need therapy go to an AA, an NA or even a Catholic preist and listen to other people's problems. Don't open you mouth once, then reflect on your problems. Sorry but therapist will want to keep you going and going and going.

Find a total stranger and vent at a bar. Fun and more productive.

dadnhmtb · 2020-06-12T13:55:53+00:00

I did therapy. It helped out quite a bit. I was in a relationship with an addict. Others that have been in similar situations may agree that there is a significant loss of identity when in a relationship like that. It can be critical to build new pathways of thinking. Therapy helps you talk out loud and basically build those new pathways. You get guidance from the therapist to look at emotions that are unhelpful and see them as such.

My feeling is if you can adapt to a goal of self improvement, therapy is great. It freed me from a yoke of constant anger and resentment because I was fixated on someone else’s behavior. I started to get to know myself and fixated on my behavior. That was much easier to do because 1) I’m in control of my behavior and 2) I’m a rational thinking person. So, I was much easier to fixate upon myself.

Good luck, you aren’t alone!

casra888 · 2020-06-12T13:57:49+00:00

All depends on getting a quality therapist. 99.9% are absolutely worthless at best. Most will screw you up even worse with stupid pet theories and illogical garbage dressed up as word salad. "You have to internalize the unpacking of the emotional labor of your post-trauma environmental factors at play with your identity and identification that has be typified by your per-judgemental ennui." The VAST majority do NOT want you to get better. They want you to become dependent on them so they can keep getting PAID!!!

iwanttheblanketback · 2020-06-12T14:03:50+00:00

Sports massage therapy is great. The masseuse really gets into the muscles and works all the knots and pulls out. It may hurt during the session but you feel so much better afterwards.

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