why do men hate freedom?

30203forever · 2020-06-28T16:19:31+00:00

Childhood indoctrination. Ditto for religion.

GrisBosque · 2020-06-28T22:31:07+00:00

Men are caught between conflicting desires. Pretty much everything in reality is made up of webs of interconnected dichotomy pairs.

Most men now days have been raised in the Homo Simian Zoo...

They fear the unknowns in rewilding.

But skills can be relearned. Simple hobbies help... gardening, growing grains and food trees, hunting, fishing, raising animals, creating and repairing things...

Necessities are few; food, shelter, clothing, tools, weapons.

Also the deck is stacked against you with zoning, building requirements, property taxes.

Look at it this way; Native Americans fought thousands of battles over a period of generations, to avoid free housing and a government check...

Maybe they knew something?

Maybe they didn't fear freedom because they grew up learning how to actually survive and thrive.

Like one said: "White man sells his soul for a place to shit and sleep."

Not gonna matter soon... the Technocult is going decadent and terminal... You'll either regraft onto old skills or die trying.

Women? they take the path of least resistence, to the most affluence.

parenthro · 2020-07-02T18:49:01+00:00

To echo what another guy just said; responsibility is purpose.

The problem is that we live in a world that doesn't value our contributions, and expects us to carry on the way we have while being pillaged and disparaged.

I recently reread an old story that (when I was younger) was used to inspire boys to be men. It was about a family in the fifties. Mom did all the house chores, including ironing, which was very hard on her shoulder. One day, Dad took her to a store and purchased a very expensive machine that ironed the clothes without requiring her to lift a heavy iron. She was initially a little cross with him for spending money they didn't have. Eventually, after interrogating him, it was revealed that he had forewent lunch every day at work for the last year so that he could pocket the money and buy the thing for her.

I remember hearing this story and being awestricken at the selflessness, and wanting so badly to have such a loving partnership that we would do things like that for eachother. Unfortunately it now has the comment sections of 2020. Which is full of assholes saying things like "he shouldn't have expected her to do the ironing" or "sexist piece of shit".

The story was from a speech entitled "Now let us be men" the decrying in the comment section is a tragic reflection of how manhood is valued in the 21 century.

Fer4yn · 2020-06-30T08:16:38+00:00

Freedom is useless and boring. Only a life of passion and purpose is worth living. There is no culture of 'free people' to have left behind any artifacts? Why? Because 'freedom' means 'lack of compromise and cooperation'. Being free basically means being a useless vegetables that just eat and don't do much more beside that.

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BlackSandstone · 2020-06-29T22:11:13+00:00

Depends on what you mean by freedom - and i'm not being glib here. In 'Murica alone the idea of freedom has had (at least) 3 seperate wars in its name, for effectively contradictory ideologies.

If we take freedom as 'boundlessness' as in floating on the ocean , then it presents a very real threat that nothing is behind you to aid against the winds of chance. Freedom here is willfully exposing yourself to danger (possibly for a good reason) without support - not something everyone is prepared for, never mind willing to take on.

If Freedom is total autonomy, the man alone in the forest, then it innevitably means there is nothing in place to harness the instincts and cravings that drive men to destruction. "I can be drunk off my gourd every single day on home made moonshine and nobody can stop me!" - yes, you can. Entirely subject to whims and pleasures until they kill you. Not everyone wants this.

If freedom instead represents power and control over anything that would come as an adversary, it demands as a consequence maintenance, upkeep, constant aggression in pre-empting attackers. The king Lion - who if he lets up just once, just a little, will be driven out and maybe even eaten.

So what freedom are you referring to ? All of these are hyper-exaggerated examples for effect and i've probably missed a few, but you get the idea.

TOW-ing provides a subset of all three, and again, not everyone is prepared, or even physically or mentally capable of attaining them - never mind benefiting from them.

Those of us who do may sometimes forget the certainties we used to have, though I suggest most of us remember the prices we had to pay when they fell through, and we had to build new certainties.

wyrd_boi · 2020-06-29T01:42:39+00:00

I love freedom which is why I'm not a Democrat and I'm not married

SparkyMcBiff · 2020-06-28T23:04:45+00:00

Why do morons ask idiotic questions?

Hartmann_Hartmann · 2020-06-28T22:54:07+00:00

Men hate freedom? Men are the only ones who uphold freedom.

Women inherently trade liberty for security, it's in their biology to do so. I don't know if this is bait or sarcasm, but yeah. Your view is really ass backwards.

Ipitywomen · 2020-06-28T22:03:00+00:00

Because people love to complicate things. Single? Let me complicate things by getting engaged and marry a woman. Married? Let me complicate things by having children. Married with kids? Let's complicate things by fighting and cheating and divorcing. Divorced? I will complicate things by finding another woman. Etc etc etc..

2plus2s5 · 2020-06-28T21:28:05+00:00

Read "the true believer" it explains it really well

ZlayerXZ · 2020-06-28T18:45:21+00:00

Being free means being dead, that’s why it is scary, it means you’ll never back down from your rights as a free men even if it cost you your life.

ComputerBuild1 · 2020-06-28T17:25:13+00:00

Responsibilities give men purpose. In the past, when women needed men, the men had drive to protect and provide. That's the purpose of all carbon based life forms. Now with technology and overabundance, we have time we need to fill. Some people seek to fill it with more work, others their hobbies.

Title	why do men hate freedom?
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Date	June 28, 2020 3:35 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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