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Wives & Lovers

Rollo-Tomassi

March 31, 2015
26 upvotes
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Title Wives & Lovers
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Rollo-Tomassi

Upvotes 26
Comments 7
Date March 31, 2015 10:49 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MarriedRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/30zego/wives_lovers/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MarriedRedPill/wives-lovers.202239
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Comments

[–]whinemoreplease 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Your post seems to indicate that the only people who have power in a marriage is the wife. This is a common re-occurring trope in Red Pill community. This is also a 100% self-fulfilling prophecy.

The pretext of being a ‘wife’ is a socially excusable expectation of progressively losing sexual affinity for the man she’s agrees to marry, so what woman wants to be a wife?

The truth of the matter is that many, many men beta-fy themselves in order to fulfill their role in the story too. Everything that made them attractive during the dating and chasing phase, they cast aside once they settle into marriage. Lose respect, lose attraction, rinse, repeat.

Wives have no use for seduction, and particularly so with the Beta men they settled for around their Epiphany Phase. Seduction, compassion, appreciation (such as can be expected of a woman) only become a necessity when women are subjected to a real preoccupation with losing a valuable man – a man they admire.

The other truth of the matter is the majority of women are not the type of women a self-respecting man would want to marry - the types who go "I don't respect him, but I'll just settle anyway" as you've clearly pointed out.

But, I'd guess that the majority of women (and people) get married with the expectation that they respect and cherish their person enough to make a real effort at maintaining a long term relationship. The challenge for men is to work on and maintain the "admired man" status that they once held. This is where a man is capable of action. He can work to maintain his high standards and expectations of himself, and the people he chooses to give his time to. Women will do what is necessary for a man they desire/respect - married, plate, or otherwise.

The one realization a married man needs to make is that there is nothing noble or honorable about staying in a marriage which he hates - extended suffering for no benefit is a shitty way to live life - it's the type of life that deserves exactly zero admiration.

At any given time in the next 20-30 years (maybe longer) in the future, I can guarantee that my value as a man will be increasing while my wife's will be declining. That alone is reason enough for me to leave if she stops chooses to stop adding value to my life. That alone is reason enough that I expect her to continue to do so, since I've already made the commitment to her as long as she makes my life better.

Women act shitty, because men allow women to act shitty. (Replace women with kids, people, pets, etc. as necessary)

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Rollo is talking about culture from a sociological perspective and pointing out the conventions that pigeon the wife/mother into a sexless role.

On MRP we use Dread and SMV improvement, and leadership and other attraction principles and some have had exceptional success. Not all wives are sexless creatures if you do things right- but Rollo's point is the social pressure is in the exact opposite direction.

The bottom line, as Whiney points out, is that a wife will usually be just as sexless as YOU LET HER. As Roosh has written, women take the shape of their container. I think more guys are realizing there is another bottom line: You don't have to let her.

[–]whinemoreplease 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely, and I no doubt agree that the societal pressures are bullshit -- the type of women who buy into that are not the type of women anyone ought to want to marry. My point was to address the idea that men are not helpless after they get married and to expect as well as demand the best out of the woman you're investing in.

[–]Rollo-TomassiMANOSPHERE ICON[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/31/wives-lovers/

Newgal states clearly women must be sluts for men to get laid. This also means women must be sluts for women to get laid. Why must that be true? Because Newgal alludes to a dirty little truth so ingrained in the social consciousness it’s a cliché: wives hate sex. Therefore women, sluts and otherwise, get married so they can stop having sex except as necessary to get pregnant.

Think about it.

The girlfriend provides sex good enough to motivate a desire in the man to commit. After the wedding is a period of at least adequate sex followed by a decline to little or nothing if she can get away with this. When the wife becomes suitably frustrated/disenchanted with the marriage she changes title to divorcée and is again free to become a sexual creature.

The source of the problem is that women have very little sense of self that is internally derived therefore they play roles defined externally. These roles are proxies for their identities which barely exist. In 2015 wives are not defined as sexually giving, or sexual at all except for the honeymoon period. If the sexual wife exists in this culture it as the adulteress giving herself to men other than her husband.

[–]theultmatecad 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dread is a man's best friend

[–]TrainingTheBrain 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If we could get this message into every married man's mind, we'd see an improvement in Marriages overnight.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First you have to get in men's heads that THEY are the prize, not the woman and only then can Dread be effective.

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