Antioch College's "Ask First" Program

rmbarnes · 2009-08-24T12:33:19+00:00

That's crazy. I would never go to that college. Scarey thing is, I could see some politicians seeing that and saying, "Wow, what a great idea!".

There are some aspects of human interaction which just cannot, and should not be legislated on to this degree of granularity.

kloo2yoo · 2009-08-23T20:59:12+00:00

relevant

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9daje/i_make_girls_consent_on_video_before_we_have_sex/

ladyskins · 2009-08-24T12:51:50+00:00

It seems that the college closed for the 2008-09 school year because of a dispute with an independent group of financial donors.

This article makes a lot of good points about Antioch's program and the Gettysburg College Sexual Misconduct Policy, which is also a very interesting case of requiring verbal consent. It's summed up by this:

By the way, the Antioch policy also says that The SOPP is violated whenever there is an incident of non-consensual sexual conduct on the Antioch College campus, during an Antioch College sanctioned event, or between two Antioch College students regardless of location. This may include but is not limited to:

Sexually based gestures ...
Sexually based forms of non-consensual communication, whether verbal, written, electronic, or telecommunication based ... So "non-consensual" "sexually based gestures" are prohibited. So are "sexually based forms of non-consensual communication," which leads to the question: How can you ask someone for permission to engage in sexual activity, before you've gotten their consent? Wouldn't the request, at least if it's express enough to yield an adequate consent to the activity (remember that "All parties must have a clear and accurate understanding of the sexual activity" for the consent to take place), itself be a "sexually based form[] of non-consensual communication"? Or do you need to ask first, "Do I have your consent to clearly and accurately describe to you the sexual activity to which I will then ask you to consent?"?

Title	Antioch College's "Ask First" Program
Author	ladyskins
Upvotes	7
Comments	5
Date	August 23, 2009 3:56 PM UTC (16 years ago)
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