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Apparently Men Aren't Important Enough?

Dobly1

November 23, 2015
72 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185
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Title Apparently Men Aren't Important Enough?
Author

Dobly1

Upvotes 72
Comments 18
Date November 23, 2015 2:21 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3tw1g7/apparently_men_arent_important_enough/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/apparently-men-arent-important-enough.966574
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[–]rg57 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for posting this.

This happened a mere two days after Canada's International Trade Minister went on Bill Maher's show to talk about how we shouldn't discriminate against people on the basis of their beliefs, even if those beliefs include things in direct opposition to Western free and democratic values. Instead, according to her and her boss, we should bring those people, who oppose our way of life, into Canada, and into the USA.

But apparently, the Trudeau government believes that it's perfectly fine to discriminate on sex. We already knew this from the gender test for cabinet (which the International Trade Minister clearly benefited from, having only been a journalist before). But now it is clearer than ever. Men go to the back of the bus (indeed, aren't even ON it) even if they share our values, putting them at risk.

[–]Dobly1 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I fully support trudeau's government, but this was not a smart move on the minister's part. I understand women have the babies, but that doesn't put them on another level

[–]pnw_diver 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Male disposability, again.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.:\

[–]BetterButterflies 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Because it's 2015!"

[–]GoHoMoThrow 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Beautiful slam dunk for Trudeau, politically.

  • he's taking in refugees
  • no worry about ISIL
  • pandering to his female base

[–]lasciate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no worry about ISIL

Less fear maybe, but similar danger (that is to say very low).

[–]Claude_Reborn 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Scott Adams (Of Dilbert Fame) had something to say about this not long ago

Now consider the controversy over the Syrian immigrants. The photos show mostly men of fighting age. No one cares about adult men, so a 1% chance of a hidden terrorist in the group – who might someday kill women and children – is unacceptable.

I have twice blogged on the idea of siphoning out the women and small kids from the Caliphate and leaving millions of innocent adult men to suffer and die. I don’t recall anyone complaining about leaving millions of innocent adult males to horrible suffering. In this country, any solution to a problem that involves killing millions of adult men is automatically on the table.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Unaccompanied men not included because of ongoing security concerns"
Ha. Guess what post I just saw?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3tvwaa/the_next_time_a_feminist_tells_you_terrorism_is/

[–]NWOslave 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A brilliant political move for the dashing Trudeau, the women, who are the majority of voters will adore him even more. A smart move to increase state power as well. A few tens of thousands of women with children who will not be working will need a huge agency to disperse funds, housing and benefits. The media will play up stories of how the good women have escaped the bad men, never the stories of the women crying for their husbands, fathers or brothers. The men who are left to rot wherever will grow hateful and radicalized. An attack will come with full knowledge of the Canadian government or orchestrated by the government itself just like in Paris. The Canadian Government will need to beef up internal security forces, more involvement overseas, more weapons, more war, more money, more power. Welcome to the real world.

[–]deaftoexcuses 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the Syrian women will become radicalized feminists; or held up as examples by feminists; who's anecdotal experiences, will likely be used to shame and silence any western males who get "uppity" about men's issues.

[–]Hzle 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Weeelll - there are a whole bunch of people pretending to be Syrian refugees. I've seen it estimated that 70% are from somewhere else - I haven't checked the accuracy of this. Also that a huge majority are men. The question is: should western nations be looking at a different approach entirely - other than cramming our borders with dubious refugees forever.

But yes - it has the stink of "look how moral we are, looking after women and children".

Everyone except men - you see it often enough, yet talk to a feminist about this and they'll express the most wide-eyed innocence, claiming that women are oppressed/undervalued etc. And so the endless lying goes on.

[–]carbonnanotube 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Given how crappy their plan is, this is probably the best way to do it.

The reality is that they should slow the hell down and actually think about their actions, but Trudeau has to do his chest pumping as a new PM and decided to jump on the latest tragedy to do so.

Yes we should help the Syrian people, but not by bringing over a mass quantity of people that will not be able to support themselves. If they took their time and brought complete families over the chances are much better these people will re-settle and not live off the government for the rest of their lives.

[–]heimdahl81 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can see where you are coming from, but think how it would actually play out.

"My husband/wife was killed, but my child and I need shelter."

"Can you prove they weren't killed fighting for ISIS?"

"Well, no, but I swear they weren't!"

"Too bad, no asylum for you."

Only taking whole families leaves those who have had the most tragedy out in the cold and possibly makes the next generation pissed at us.

[–]carbonnanotube 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is a valid point.

I am not saying completely ignore those that lost people, but from the sound of it he is only taking in single mothers with children.

Given enough time one could find living relatives of the broken families and bring them over as a self-sustaining unit. Enough time being more than the 5 week time table he is currently talking about.

These people are not being temporarily housed, they want them to stay. This means you should prioritize those who have the greatest ability to assimilate.

The refugees are clearly out of immediate danger, otherwise they could not get to Canada. This is why his time table and plan is all political chest thumping.

[–]reportgoose 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hold on now your starting to sound like Harper, and we're still in the "blame the conservatives for everything that goes wrong" stage of our government (or is that just an Alberta thing?)

[–]carbonnanotube 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Harper needed to go (for a variety of reasons, closest to me was the gutting of science funding) but I really wish it was a minority government.

I also don't care all that much about the cost, it is just that people who don't support themselves are going to have a hell of a time integrating. We might have another situation like that in the UK where you get huge cultural ghettos where instead of contributing to our culture those groups close inwards and get more and more radical.

[–]dangeratTacoBell 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

haha

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